Is it just me, or does Tramadol suck?

[TV_sucks]

Has anyone heard of mixing tramadol and bali kratom? I normally hate tramadol but it's all my connect brought back to me after I handed over my $40. He said to try 'em and I'd get my money back if I didn't like them. I took 4 and now I'm waiting to see what happens. Hoping I don't get that funky serotonin syndrome shit; I didn't know it was a risk until just a few moments ago (I take Paxil and apparently you aren't supposed to take tramadol and SSRI's together - fanfuckingtastic). Anyway, I have some kratom. Maybe I could potentiate the despised tramadol with that?

Would much rather have had some oxy's... Shit...

 

[thelung]

to the OP; its not just you, IMO tramadol sucks for recreational purposes. It is a pretty good non-narcotic pain medication though, for people who don't want to take opiates for pain issues.

 

[Pillthrill]

I get irritated when people say it sucks. Yes, ok, you don't get high off of it. But there are people that do and many that just don't TRY it because they are told it sucks.

 

[nath6023]

Its not just you...it sucks....but at high dosages you can feel alright and like a piece of spaghetti sometimes...hahah. Take painkillers instead or in combination...much better. 3 x 50 mg tramadol plus 2 - 5/5 mg hydrocodone or 5 mg oxycodone.....bc since your talking about tramdol period i assume you are not extremely opiate tollerant.....like someone around here : - / cough

Hey, i took 700mg my first try. It was like being on mdma for me wich sucks (to me). I felt like a dxm trip was impending but never took off. Wich sucked to. But...... what i was woried about is that tramadol uses cyp-2d6 to get you "high" but i'm sure we all know that's the same route codeine and most nice pro-drugs work with "King H" being the exception. So has anyone tried 800mg cwe codeine with around 200mg tramadol? Something simmilar would be ok. What scares me is seizures are increased with other drug use. I spend hours up reading hospital admin statments and 95% of patients that came in with seizures where on other drugs, mostly types of ssri's and benzo's. Thanks for the help.

 

[nath6023]

I get irritated when people say it sucks. Yes, ok, you don't get high off of it. But there are people that do and many that just don't TRY it because they are told it sucks.

Hey, i agree. Tramadol may not work on some, but Heroin can be bad the first time to. Eg: killer headaches, super itch etc. I'm not giving up because of how cheap tram is over here in oz. I can get 20 50mg for $5 or 100 10/500 codeine for $8. The thing to remember is that tram might be good as a synergistic to other drugs (opioids). Someone enlighten me please.
Cheers.

 

[monstanoodle]

Hey, i took 700mg my first try. It was like being on mdma for me wich sucks (to me). I felt like a dxm trip was impending but never took off. Wich sucked to. But...... what i was woried about is that tramadol uses cyp-2d6 to get you "high" but i'm sure we all know that's the same route codeine and most nice pro-drugs work with "King H" being the exception. So has anyone tried 800mg cwe codeine with around 200mg tramadol? Something simmilar would be ok. What scares me is seizures are increased with other drug use. I spend hours up reading hospital admin statments and 95% of patients that came in with seizures where on other drugs, mostly types of ssri's and benzo's. Thanks for the help.

First off, 700mg is a very dangerous amount to take You could have had a seizure and must be quite lucky to have a high seizure threshold. And this is strange as you're worried about the potential of it to cause seizures...
Another thing is that taking 800mg of Codeine is wasting approximately half of that dose due to it having a ceiling dose of ~400mg.

Anyway, I took Tramadol and smoked some H and that's the only time I've noticed it to have added benefit - it makes the high last longer than it usually would, as smoking H usually gives quite a short but nice high. It also made the high less "monged out" and made me feel more awake and floaty.

I cannot remember if I've taken it with Codeine... It's possible I have. And if I did I would have taken the Tramadol first due to Codeine's "ability" to inhibit the very enzyme that metabolizes it into Morphine.

 

[nath6023]

Well, potentiate is probably the wrong word to use. I'd say it reduces side effects, the itch, nausea. It also increases the sedation and anti-anxiety element. I cannot imagine it potentiating the Euphoria though.

Depending on the anti histamine used you are both right. Phenergan tm or promethazine is the only one i know of personally that potentiates codeine. And it can mean the difference between the nod and not. I'm up to cwe 1g of codeine so prob get 800ml and don't like it without prometh. I take 250mg with codeine, however with my tolerance i don't get any side effects of codeine anyway. AND i know this dosn't make sence, but mozzy's can't bight me now. Maybe they get smashed and nod off while trying to drink......%)
Peace.

 

[nath6023]

First off, 700mg is a very dangerous amount to take You could have had a seizure and must be quite lucky to have a high seizure threshold. And this is strange as you're worried about the potential of it to cause seizures...
Another thing is that taking 800mg of Codeine is wasting approximately half of that dose due to it having a ceiling dose of ~400mg.

Anyway, I took Tramadol and smoked some H and that's the only time I've noticed it to have added benefit - it makes the high last longer than it usually would, as smoking H usually gives quite a short but nice high. It also made the high less "monged out" and made me feel more awake and floaty.

I cannot remember if I've taken it with Codeine... It's possible I have. And if I did I would have taken the Tramadol first due to Codeine's "ability" to inhibit the very enzyme that metabolizes it into Morphine.

Thank you for the inhibition note. I forgot about that one. However, i must say that the ceiling dose of ~400mg. is NOT true. I know this first hand and would gladly prove it. I can't even get one feeling at 400-500ml but 800mg takes the cake and it's compareably to H with phenergan. I know alot can be read on the net etc. But i found ld50's and ceiling effects arn't true in the case of opiates etc. I promise if i could get as high off of 400mg i'd be doing it. Save me alot of do$h. Also i can't see much difference in smoking a pill or smoking H unless you made it. I'm not saying i wouldn't do either provideing i know whats in them, but i'm just nagin on...... sorry. Thanks for that reminder.

 

[monstanoodle]

However, i must say that the ceiling dose of ~400mg. is NOT true.

Actually, I was just coming back to edit my post with a "sorry" lol because yes, I've just read that this may not be the case and that C6G is probably the more likely culprit to give most of Codeine's effects
I had heard that some people on here had gone past 400mg but that they could just be special cases, but it's seeming more and more likely that they're not and the ceiling dose case is not true...

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

^Well you are right.
The thing that stops with the higher dosing is safety.
And the doses that are described on most sites are clinical doses for therapeutic use.
We of course are not using it therapeutically, so the doses are naturally higher.
These dosages are for naive users, not tolerant ones.
I know people who can safely handle 1000+mgs of tramadol.
But as many know this is well into the seizure territory.
The thing about tramadol is, many people do not properly metabolize it, or have such high opiate/opioid tolerance that using tramadol for recreation is very impractical.

 

[nath6023]

Couldn't agree more. I'm glad we are still learning about this ancient drug. And i'm also glad to see i'm not the only one who uses such high doses, i thought i might be special......or crazy. Well my bloods came back 1 week ago and i'm all good. Anymoore ideas with codeine i'd love to here. Someone PM me with direction to a good thread. Peace.

 

[Tessa Lynn]

Yeah the donwside i find with Trams is the shitty come down.. i have come down from H easier, im pretty sure! I get 400 pills, 50mgs every month and still go roughly a week without any, not entirely sure what my daily intake is, but i start with 5 or 6 for breakfast and 're up' by 4 more when i feel it coming down.. when i first started getting them i only took them when i couldnt get ahold of OCs or Percs..but after awhile have gone to really like them.. my partner gets a script of them and cant take them because he gets wicked sick and moody on them.. Before i left the Us, they werent a controlled substance, can anyone tell me if they are now? but yeah, the main issue is the come down (currently on the morning of day 3 and its better though) Trams do seem to effect everyone differently though..

 

[edgewise1]

Still not a controlled med.

 

[Pillthrill]

Just because it isn't controlled doesn't mean it isn't good. It was just another fuck up. It was supposed to be the miracle pain drug that isn't addictive. Oops. I'm sure if it sucked for everyone people wouldn't get addicted to it. But it doesn't.

 

[Tessa Lynn]

Yeah, i've heard they were meant to be the cure all for users, so to say.. and i guessed at the time that the fact they werent controlled at that time was because Trams are all synthetic opiates instead of a proper opiate based med.. Ok, hope i dont bore anyone with this, but i have a bit of story as to the topic of these particular pills and the controlled substance topic on them.. When my partner and i were living in America, we first got the perscription and took it to our pharmacy, at the time we were very dubious of spending money on something that wasnt controlled and we didnt know what the effects would be, if anything useful at all.. so as we stood quietly discussing wether to give them a try or not, our pharmacist called us back over to the counter, and descretely told us that they werent yet controlled, but that you do 'feel' them.. we thought it was great this straight laced looking guy understood what we were discussing even though he couldnt hear us lol..very amusing at the time, and today i thank him muchly! It seems now though that the new miracle drug (since i am guessing the trams proved other wise for the pharma companies) they are hoping will work as they planned are the Temgesic sublingual tablets, (thats the name here, no idea what it is over in the states right now- Buprenorphine is the other name it goes by i believe) which do help amazingly with come down, but other than that i get nothing out of them..sorry for the length on this, please do feel free to ignore me lol

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Why ignore you.
Great post,

 

[Pillthrill]

I will say that the hangover headache you get from tram does suck though.

 

[nath6023]

I think its the SNRI effects that cause it to be so different from user to user. I'll give them a go if desperate again but not at 700mg again. Codeine is gonna be controlled in Oz soon to. I think nuerofen plus has sparked addiction claims all over oz. I beleive they are the cause for this new schedule. Can you believe an adiction to amounts like 80mg codeine a day? I can handdle my w/d's and go to work on 800mg-1g per day. I'll post this info in a more appropriate forum. Goodluck.

 

[LivingOnValium]

Tramadol has always sucked for me. I get a nicer buzz from codeine which i don't really concider worth the CWE.

 

[curmudgeoness]

All tramadol ever did for me was ease the pain just a little bit after I broke my foot once. I have never gotten any sort of euphoria or anything else from it besides the slight pain relief after the foot fracture. It does nothing for a headache for me at all. Plus, it causes more myoclonic jerking in my legs as I'm falling asleep. I have little experience with opiates and opioids (except for some kratom use, which is supposed to have opiate-like properties). No antidepressant or euphoric effects whatsoever though. I'm a 105 lb. female, if that lends anything to this.