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Is it asking too much?

I've been asked by a girl to give up psychedelics. I wanted to, and I tried... imperfectly. She eventually decided we each live life as who are and find partners who compliment us. She let me be me and trusted me with my own mind and body. Working so far. If you don't feel you can trust him to make decisions for himself, then leave. Ultimatums don't work.
 
You should never ask another person to change because of YOU, that in itself is selfish. You should ask him to change for his own well being, and if he still doesn't see the light then its not on you.
 
holy smokes. this thread is hot. I'd have to read a novel worth of posts if i wanted to participate.

It's funny that a bluelighter found a related post on another thread though. Someone linked this thread to it too. Shit is gonna hit the fan.

I actually found that thread first, and then when I was reading this thread, I thought "Gee, this sounds a whole lot like that other guy's story on 420chan..." -- anyway, the judgement of someone who would try to drive 1300 miles for no apparent reason is sufficiently in question that they probably shouldn't take anything harder than weed...
 
Actually Atara, Weed is now being linked to Schizophrenia and Psychosis. I believe it's the THC in it. Either way, they did a video on it and did a bunch of tests on some people. It's pretty interesting, you should watch it.

The doctors warned us, and pretty much everything I've read up on or heard about Schizophrenia say to keep him away from Weed and Alcohol, as they're some of the worst for his condition.

Thenightwatch, you weren't there. Point blank. You don't understand, and honestly, you don't even sound like you medically know what you're talking about.

Anyway, the second we took him OFF of his anti-psychotics, his condition turned ugly again. Then his idiot ---non-psychiatric--- doctor (his dad took him there after they ran out of the meds the psychiatric hospital prescribed) prescribed him Seroquel (warned us he had NO IDEA what he was doing, because he's not a psych doctor) for a temporary period of time which just seemed to make it worse. After we got him off of those and back into a facility where they treated him PROPERLY with the PROPER medication, his condition slowly got better again. Without the medication, he would have probably never recovered and perhaps only gradually gotten worse.

Next time you want to say something stupid, don't. You could be putting someone's life on the line by telling them to ignore their doctors.
 
anyway, this guy OBVIOUSLY got overmedicated on antipsychotics after his bad trip. he should have just had a few days in the drunk tank in my humble opinion...

And, for the record, they didn't even find him until almost 3 days after he took LSD, and he was still completely checked out. Then he spent a night in jail. Still bliped out. Then he spent the day in detox.

He wasn't even in his first real facility, or medicated, for nearly 5 days.
 
Jesus Christ why on gods green earth would he even THINK about doing someting like that again?

Reading this story pretty much killed my desire to ever want to try the shit. Just too fucking risky man.
 
Do not remain with a man you have to babysit, if he is too mentally ill to have judgement then it's not fair for you. That may sound cold, but you need an equal and strong willed partner, everyone deserves that.
 
coming down from a trip as epic as an unplanned freedom run is probably hard to do with a head full of seroquel.

the dude obviously shouldn't have done this, but just because he had a bad trip once doesn't mean it will happen in the future. i feel bad for the guy, if you read that other thread he SERIOUSLY thinks there's a problem with himself.

the doctors probably diagnosed him as schizophrenic while his head was full of antipsychotics. i am assuming here that he wasn't actually violent during the arrest, in which case any drugs as an attempt to "bring down the trip" were a pretty poor medical decision.

the whole situation is fucked tbh. i <3 that dude though. and i'm pretty sure that if he does low doses of shrooms while hanging out with wadsworth once in awhile then things probably won't get out of hand...

if you don't want to trip though wadsworth, then don't... but ya shouldn't stop him from doing reasonable dosages of <3 drugs in your company.

you are a retard and i hate presumptuous assholes that think they know what's medically best for someone just becuz All Doctors R Horrible Evil Big PHarma Monsters Omg yeah ok you naive kid

somehow given that wadsworth is on this forum and has done drugs herself I don't think she is just taking the face value opinion of her boyfriend's doctor, I think she has clear reason, especially if you read her posts in this thread, to believe that psychs are NOT for her boyfriend.
 
man, some people simply cannot accept that psychedelic drugs are not necessarily good for 100% of the population. what weird, delusional people
 
Yeah, I totaly agree with IamMe90´s 2 posts aswell.

thenightwatch, your talking bullshit out your ass.
 
Actually Atara, Weed is now being linked to Schizophrenia and Psychosis. I believe it's the THC in it. Either way, they did a video on it and did a bunch of tests on some people. It's pretty interesting, you should watch it.

The doctors warned us, and pretty much everything I've read up on or heard about Schizophrenia say to keep him away from Weed and Alcohol, as they're some of the worst for his condition.

Cannabis has no link to causing schizophrenia or psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy human beings. In the case of those predisposed to mental illness, it is up in the air as to whether cannabis is used as a self-medicator or worsens mental illness. Yeah THC (pure THC) causes anxiety and paranoia but doesn't make you go schizophrenic, not on its own anyway. Look at those studies and check out the sample sizes and look for confounds. The studies are fucked. Correlation does not equal causation.

I agree that someone in this state doesn't need any drugs and is probably high as shit without taking anything but there's no need to give cannabis a bad name. Some people can use it, others can't. It has helped me through psychotic breaks and has also made me overly anxious and paranoid.

I wouldn't tell him he can never trip again, just give it a few years, when he feels mentally stable and is living a healthy lifestyle, try a low dose, once or twice a year, it's better than nothing and not likely to be harmful. For now he should stay farrrrr away from cocaine (or any stimulant for that matter) and if anxiety is an issue stay away from cannabis/mdma for a while.
 
*shrugs* like i said, i've been probably diagnosaly schizophrenic before, and after a bit of time with a clear head to sort it all out i got better.

i believe that schizophrenia can be solved through pure logic. its hard to think straight with a head full of anti-psychotics.

i did not realize that he was in a fugue state for several days after taking the LSD. i'm guessing there's more factors than just the psychedelics he took. back when i was unhealthy the biggest mitigating factor in my condition was lack of sleep and food, as well as stress from the unhealthy relationship i was in. coincidentally, the relationship was with a girl that i met online who moved to live with me just a few months after meeting me.

just because i'm disagreeing slightly with your opinion doesn't mean that i'm a retard or stupid. it's pretty damn immature of you to not at least consider my point of view.

if you're so certain that your point of view is 100% correct then why the hell did you even start this post anyway?

anyway, what are the symptoms of his schizophrenia again?
 
just because i'm disagreeing slightly with your opinion doesn't mean that i'm a retard or stupid. it's pretty damn immature of you to not at least consider my point of view.?

Not when your "point of view" is ignorant to the point of danger. You're giving extremely irresponsible advice, and I find no obligation to "consider" it one bit.

thenightwatch said:
i believe that schizophrenia can be solved through pure logic. its hard to think straight with a head full of anti-psychotics.

And you are not educated in medicine or brain chemistry. My God... your opinion is worthless in this sphere, and if it were only worthless, it wouldn't be an issue, but like I mentioned above, your advice isn't just worthless, it's dangerous to give out. You should keep your uninformed opinion to yourself when it concerns peoples' health.

And that's my opinion, so I guess if you don't like, it you're immature. ;)
 
And you are not educated in medicine or brain chemistry.

and you are?

And that's my opinion, so I guess if you don't like, it you're immature. ;)

there you go making assumptions again.

i was in a really similar situation as this guy at one point in time. i'm just letting y'all know what worked for me.

i was having problems with a girl i met online. took too many hawaiian baby woodrose seeds and DXM, ended up running around naked in a drugged out haze. my haze didn't last for days, but a lot of underlying schizophrenic thoughts lasted for a LONG time. you can read the trip report here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=484193 if you want. after i got my life under control and stopped trying to work things out with this girl i got a lot healthier.

just in case you didn't see when i asked before, wadsworth... what are the symptoms of his schizophrenia?
 
Thenightwatch, Schizophrenia isn't a temporary condition like you're talking about. What you're talking about are points of your life in which you led an unhealthy lifestyle with an equally unhealthy mentality. That would/could make anyone show symptoms of psychosis. Lack of sleep alone can cause delusional behavior.

You don't even know what Schizophrenia is, and yet you're trying to tell my boyfriend he doesn't have it. Anti psychotics don't cause psychosis. They treat and prevent it. Hence the "anti". People don't just randomly show up at the doctor and say "Hey doc, give me anti psychotics please!" then show up a week later all jacked up like a looney tune. It's the other way around. People end up in the hospital because they have an episode. Not always drug induced ones either. Only then are they given medication. Different anti-psychs work better on different people, because Schizophrenia doesn't affect everyone the same. Zyprexa and Abilify were what worked for my boyfriend. Seroquel did not. But then again, I've never heard anything good about Seroquel, so I'm not surprised.

Like IamMe90 says, it becomes more than just a simple matter of opinion when you start spouting out dangerous notions that could put someone's life at stake. That's what you're not understanding. Paranoid Schizophrenics are commonly easily swayed to denial about their condition. Especially, because they have... well, paranoid tenancies. In other words, it sometimes only takes one person to say "Your doctors are lying to you" for them to want to believe it. Does that make sense? That's why I told you not to say something stupid like that ever again. You're causing more damage than you know.

Websites like http://www.schizophrenia.com/diag.php will explain it better than I can.

Honestly, your symptoms (I'm guessing, so don't chew me out for "assuming") probably weren't as bad as a true Schizophrenics. Some people do remain undiagnosed, especially those without family or friends (common, considering the illness makes you antisocial as fuck) who aren't around to notice the drastic changes. But yeah, for the most part, if you had Schizophrenia, you'd likely still be having symptoms of some kind (perhaps on again, off again) and would have likely been dragged to the hospital by your loved ones and diagnosed by now.

As for Marijuana not provoking Schizophrenic symptoms... well, that's up for debate some other I guess. I'm not going to argue with you, simply because it's pointless to.

somehow given that wadsworth is on this forum and has done drugs herself I don't think she is just taking the face value opinion of her boyfriend's doctor, I think she has clear reason, especially if you read her posts in this thread, to believe that psychs are NOT for her boyfriend.

Exactly! Thank you. I'm not ignorant. I don't believe everything I hear about drugs, or I probably wouldn't have done them xD. I do my research. Partly because I'm obsessively well-informed and paranoid, and partly because I find it all insanely interesting.
 
I know how to get your boyfriend to take you seriously and possibly stop taking drugs!

(Or, at least take you seriously and have more meaningful convos about drugs with you.)



Get the balls to show him this thread you posted. Explain to him all that you've been through and
since he still wanted to do psychs you asked some people for support.... and then show him this.

Even if it doesn't get him to stop, it will at least shock him into understanding how fragile your
relationship REALLY IS... and might motivate him into acting in ways to repair what you have. :)
 
Actually Atara, Weed is now being linked to Schizophrenia and Psychosis. I believe it's the THC in it. Either way, they did a video on it and did a bunch of tests on some people. It's pretty interesting, you should watch it.

Wrong.

Allow me to say, again, wrong.

http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004837.html
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/07/does_smoking_cannabis_cause_sc.php
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/06/cannabis_psychosis_study/

The latter study notes that the full paper is not available. It is, though.

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/65/11/1269
Note that the study has n in the millions. Millions. The matter is settled.

Also, I was talking about judgement, not schizophrenia. Someone with poor judgement should not be taking psychedelic drugs.

I would like to again say that stimulants are worse in the matter of schizophrenia than psychedelics. Antipsychotics, themselves, are prescribed for a variety of reasons, including insomnia, anxiety, bipolar disorder, depression, and the fact that, if you have no idea what the problem is, Seroquel usually works on everything.
 
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Dont try and control him. It will only lead to resent and split you all further apart, which could be bad, or good.

Really sounds like you just need to move on :p
 
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