Is it allowed to discuss drug production?

in the case of illegal drugs, the blua is pretty clear: "posting or exchanging any information on ongoing or future criminal activity, or any information which can be construed as discussing such activity".

alasdair
 
I often wonder about this rule though - why is it ok to discuss growing techniques (cannabis/cacti etc) and CWE extractions for codeine but its not OK for us to talk about synth?
 
CWE is not producing drugs but is rendering drugs someone already has more safe. CWE is about harm reduction/safety.

I don't know how cultivation has come to be an exception. I have a personal special reservation about synthesis that is that people who need to get recipes off a discussion board are probably not in a position to do synthesis safely. Safe synthesis takes more knowledge, equipment, and ability to be methodical and attentive than CWE or cultivation. Cultivation fuckups are of far less serious consequences than synth fuckups.

I believe safety/HR has been a paramount determiner in what has been allowed on BL over time in concert with BLUA.
 
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Enki said:
CWE is not producing drugs but is rendering drugs someone already has more safe. CWE is about harm reduction/safety.

I don't know how cultivation has come to be an exception. I have a personal special reservation about synthesis that is that people who need to get recipes off a discussion board are probably not in a position to do synthesis safely. Safe synthesis takes more knowledge, equipment, and ability to be methodical and attentive than CWE or cultivation. Cultivation fuckups are of far less serious consequences than synth fuckups.

I believe safety/HR has been a paramount determiner in what has been allowed on BL over time in concert with BLUA.
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Lol So IF somebody asks the question - I have a lot of safrole oil that Im going to drink as Ive heard it contains MDMA is it then ok to explain how to synth it into MDMA? Its simply rendering a potentially fatal substance they already have into a safer form.

Couldnt most of the synth discussion fall into 'Harm Reduction' depending on your (not you personally) view?

Im only messing though - I would never ever suggest to somebody to try and make his/her own MDMA/Meth/LSD etc, I just wonder sometimes about the application of this rule :)

Bear :)
 
^ I would probably just say the safrol oil doesn't contain MDMA so don't drink it.

There are a few well established chemistry websites that discuss synths of legal and illegal substances (for academic purposes of course). Bluelight is meant foremost to be a harm reduction website, it serves a lot of other functions but HR is still paramount. I think it would be very hard to justify illicit drug synths as a form of HR.
 
Oxycondone said:
I think it would be very hard to justify illicit drug
synths as a form of HR.
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Well, making it yourself, you know what you're getting instead of taking chances with a drug off the street. With a stretch of the imagination, that could be seen as harm reduction :p.
 
Oxycondone said:
^ I would probably just say the safrol oil doesn't contain MDMA so don't drink it.
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Exactly.

Producing methamphetamine, or methylenedioxymethamphetamine in a lab, is not foolproof and it's not safe for someone who would need to come onto Bluelight for instructions on how to do so.

It would probably increase harm to help people do this.

Showing someone how to remove APAP from percocet or vicodin is only going to help them; and won't harm anyone.

Showing someone how to micron filter the inactive ingredients out of a solution they are going to IV anyways, is not going to hurt anyone. It can only reduce harm.

Furthermore, if you want to make MDMA or meth, you should just buy a book on how to do this. There are other sources, outside of Bluelight, for information about this.
 
alasdairm said:
in the case of illegal drugs, the blua is pretty clear: "posting or exchanging any information on ongoing or future criminal activity, or any information which can be construed as discussing such activity".

alasdair
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The thread I linked to discusses pressing tablets. For a pill press you need a license in many countries and possessing a pill press without a license is illegal. So that thread is against the BLUA?

Enki said:
CWE is not producing drugs but is rendering drugs someone already has more safe.
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I am 100% certain that CWE is illegal and seen as producing illegal drugs from legal medicines by the INCB and therefore by all UN countries.

I do not see a difference between CWE, (illegal) cannabinoid blend mixing, synthesis and cultivation of controlled substances. Its all illegal activity with the aim to produce controlled substance. Mostly in volumes high enough that distribution and drug sales are an inevitable result of the forum posts. So in this respect I the BLUA does not describe what is and what is not allowed.

It seems to me that the text that alasdair quotes would mean that any form of controlled drug production is not allowed in forum discussion. But it seems not to be the case.
 
I am 100% certain that CWE is illegal and seen as producing illegal drugs from legal medicines by the INCB and therefore by all UN countries.
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Really? So you can have a prescription for hydrocodone, but if you put it in water it's illegal?
 
I do not see a difference between CWE, (illegal) cannabinoid blend mixing, synthesis and cultivation of controlled substances. Its all illegal activity with the aim to produce controlled substance. Mostly in volumes high enough that distribution and drug sales are an inevitable result of the forum posts. So in this respect I the BLUA does not describe what is and what is not allowed.
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If you ask me, there isn't any difference between possessing a bottle of Vicodin and possessing the CWE solution you got from doing a CWE on the bottle of Vicodin. Actually, both of these things are controlled substances.
 
Mander said:
I do not see a difference between CWE, (illegal) cannabinoid blend mixing, synthesis and cultivation of controlled substances. Its all illegal activity with the aim to produce controlled substance. Mostly in volumes high enough that distribution and drug sales are an inevitable result of the forum posts. So in this respect I the BLUA does not describe what is and what is not allowed.
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The difference between CWE and the others is that CWE has harm reduction value.

Mixing blends is not producing a drug, its just changing the form it will be consumed.

Neither of these are producing or synthesizing. What is and is not allowed IS pretty clear and enforced rather uniformly across BL.
 
Mander said:
The thread I linked to discusses pressing tablets. For a pill press you need a license in many countries and possessing a pill press without a license is illegal. So that thread is against the BLUA?


I am 100% certain that CWE is illegal and seen as producing illegal drugs from legal medicines by the INCB and therefore by all UN countries.

I do not see a difference between CWE, (illegal) cannabinoid blend mixing, synthesis and cultivation of controlled substances. Its all illegal activity with the aim to produce controlled substance. Mostly in volumes high enough that distribution and drug sales are an inevitable result of the forum posts. So in this respect I the BLUA does not describe what is and what is not allowed.

It seems to me that the text that alasdair quotes would mean that any form of controlled drug production is not allowed in forum discussion. But it seems not to be the case.
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It is really not that difficult. Notice that we're all talking about harm reduction but your reasoning does not mention it once. Of course you don't see the difference between a CWE and drug synthesis if you ignore this part...
 
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