Just moved to New Zealand and this country has like no decent gear. But they do have an ice (P) problem. It's clearly a massive community issue but I'm wondering if this drug is as bad as everyone says? From talking to friends (and we all take softer drugs like MDMA and LSD), ice is the devil. Anyone in a fight, looking threatening, commiting murder, beating up family etc "must be a P addict". None of my friends would touch it (myself included) but I'm wondering what the real deal with ice is? I would say it's demonised here to the same extent heroin is worldwide, and from reading about heroin and people's experiences heroin does seem to deserve its reputation. Does ice?
Is ice as bad as the media say?
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Wiserthanearlier
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Methamphetamine can be devastating to many individuals. Sure media uses stigma but this is a powerful drug, approach with caution rather than seeking for soothing about this drugs destructive tendencies.
Many people can use it without chronic problems developing but so many cannot. It unfortunately has lovely inviting intros, but is also as ugly as portrayed.
Good luck
Many people can use it without chronic problems developing but so many cannot. It unfortunately has lovely inviting intros, but is also as ugly as portrayed.
Good luck
Yea, Amphetamines in general have the potential to really fuck you up. If it's a one-night party or whatever, sure, why not, it's not going to kill you, but when we start talking repeated use, there's brain damage, social issues and deterioration of general health.
dopemaster
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I steer clear of it.
I find the people that use locally it to be highly annoying and they usually don't have all their teeth.
I think there might be some people who use it and don't talk about it because it's considered worse than heroin and crack around here so if someone is chipping and has it under control they probably don't talk about it.
It doesn't have the best stigma in the States and being close in the South and near but not in a rural area people rarely see it but hear people talking about it so it is never anything good.
I tried it once when I was 14 or 15 and I didn't like it, well I did but I could already feel the pull and the people that used it didn't look to good.
It is really strong and yeah I think if I used it again I would have problems beyond what I would be willing to take on in my life.
But then again when I did coke it didn't really like most the people who did cocaine.
I find the people that use locally it to be highly annoying and they usually don't have all their teeth.
I think there might be some people who use it and don't talk about it because it's considered worse than heroin and crack around here so if someone is chipping and has it under control they probably don't talk about it.
It doesn't have the best stigma in the States and being close in the South and near but not in a rural area people rarely see it but hear people talking about it so it is never anything good.
I tried it once when I was 14 or 15 and I didn't like it, well I did but I could already feel the pull and the people that used it didn't look to good.
It is really strong and yeah I think if I used it again I would have problems beyond what I would be willing to take on in my life.
But then again when I did coke it didn't really like most the people who did cocaine.
Burnt Offerings
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It's just too strong of a drug. A lot of things can be said about it but that's the main point I think...the high just lasts way too long, and the pleasure factor of the drug is ridiculous...IMO high-quality d-isomer methamphetamine IV'd is the greatest high of all drugs, as I've said before on this site. The cycle of being high for days and crashing for days is just too debilitating, though. Chronic usage induces a pretty serious change in the user's overall mood, too, from my own experience.
Bodeinn
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Better then H?
Pill2Chill
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They are hard to compare, but they can and will both wreck your life if you mess with either and end up addicted.
Burnt Offerings
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Totally different kind of substance...it's like comparing rotten apples to moldy oranges
A lot of people don't like stims, too, and wouldn't find meth to be particularly enjoyable.
Thanks for this response. Interesting. But also yes, people on cocaine are self centred annoying asshats. Coke induced yarns are like, worst chat evs
Is it really euphoric? I kind of thought it just kept you awake and angry haha
Burnt Offerings
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I'll put it to you like this: one time after a shot of good "ice" I had an orgasm. Nothing sexual was going on at all, I wasn't even touching myself or anything like that, wasn't even hard (TMI I know)...I just came. That's the only time that's ever happened with any drug IME. To say that it's euphoric is a big understatement.
I don't fuck with it anymore, though, and I encourage other people not to fuck with it too. It's not worth the tremendous amount of bullshit that the habitual use of strong stimulant drugs incurs. I'd rather just chill out at this point in my life.
I don't fuck with it anymore, though, and I encourage other people not to fuck with it too. It's not worth the tremendous amount of bullshit that the habitual use of strong stimulant drugs incurs. I'd rather just chill out at this point in my life.
Pill2Chill
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^Yeah I've only tried it twice. But euphora is definitely amazing. Kept myself at a safe distance from it since then, since I've issues with normal amphetamines in the past and still take it on occassion. (Like right now 
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LucidSDreamr
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I've shot ice a few times...it was crystalline...don't know if it was pure d or racemic
Smoking crack was a better rush in my opinion
Smoking crack was a better rush in my opinion
I'm biased, as a dope fiend, but I really do feel that Methamphetamine and Amphetamines in general have the potential to really screw you up. As Burnt said, I think a large part about what makes them so harmful is that they are so long lasting. It makes it easier to skip a night of sleep, starting the cycle, needing more speed in the morning. Opioids are not inherently harmful to the body. Methamphetamine is known to be neurotoxic. I'll be straight-up here, when I look into the eyes of a serious speed addict, even after they've stopped, their eyes look dead. I don't know how else to describe it.
Sure, junkies may continue to look a little "ghoulish" after stopping, but generally we can recover. We just need time to recharge and recover. Unfortunately, there's no way to repair or recharge dead neurons.
Sure, junkies may continue to look a little "ghoulish" after stopping, but generally we can recover. We just need time to recharge and recover. Unfortunately, there's no way to repair or recharge dead neurons.
4meSM
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I've done meth (snorted&smoked) and it's for sure addictive in a weird way, I'm not a real fan of stims but it's extremely reinforcing so it's possible to get addicted fairly quickly without noticing. I like to compare it to nicotine on that aspect but obviously meth is a much stronger and euphoric stimulant. Meth addiction has ruined a lot of people's lives, that's for sure.
But it's not as bad as some anti-drug commercials portray it. The average person won't have a heart attack, multiple seizures and definitely won't become irrational nor extremely violent.
As other have said it, methamphetamine lasts a long time and this can be damaging because of its stimulant side effects (lack of appetite/thirst, insomnia,vasoconstriction...), all stimulants have more or less the same main side effects though they usually don't last as long, unless you binge.
I personally don't believe that meth as a drug is way worse than other stims, for example it isn't really cardiotoxic like cocaine and really has a high "therapeutic" index (hard to overdose on). It may be neurotoxic but most studies involve giving massives IV doses to nontolerant animals, I've not yet seen one proving that low-medium doses of methamphetamine (or big ones with a tolerance) are neurotoxic.
Also both amphetamine and methamphetamine are available by prescription in some countries and lets just say that companies need to do a lot of studies before being able to sell a new drug, they don't want people having massive side effects and/or dying left and right.
But it's not as bad as some anti-drug commercials portray it. The average person won't have a heart attack, multiple seizures and definitely won't become irrational nor extremely violent.
As other have said it, methamphetamine lasts a long time and this can be damaging because of its stimulant side effects (lack of appetite/thirst, insomnia,vasoconstriction...), all stimulants have more or less the same main side effects though they usually don't last as long, unless you binge.
I personally don't believe that meth as a drug is way worse than other stims, for example it isn't really cardiotoxic like cocaine and really has a high "therapeutic" index (hard to overdose on). It may be neurotoxic but most studies involve giving massives IV doses to nontolerant animals, I've not yet seen one proving that low-medium doses of methamphetamine (or big ones with a tolerance) are neurotoxic.
Also both amphetamine and methamphetamine are available by prescription in some countries and lets just say that companies need to do a lot of studies before being able to sell a new drug, they don't want people having massive side effects and/or dying left and right.
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LucidSDreamr
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it is a prescription drug btw. only schedule II which means its not as bad as marijuan as far as the US in concerned
dopemaster
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Are you a stoner Focker?
That really makes no sense that marijuana is Schedule I and legal for recreational use in some states or considered worse than cocaine for that matter.
I really don't see while marijuana is illegal at all.
But then again I think Percocet, Valium, and Vicodin should be over the counter for adults.
Alcohol is a way harder drug than any I just listed.
Yeah you are right Adderall is half meth ampethamine and hald dex amp.
However meth is usually made whether in a lab or soda bottle and it is a rather potent drug capable of inducing psychosis.
Smoking it is horrible for your teeth. Shooting it is really bad for your veins. Both lead to a really nasty crash too.
I have seen, known, and saw in the media people on meth to do some very desperate things for the drug and some pretty strange and/or violent things to themselves and others.
Even the rx amps, I had a gf get an rx and fast forward two months she was just not able to function without it.
One day we were driving to pick up her daughter from school and the ten minute drive was so grueling for her she pulled over and crushed up 3 Adderall and sniffed half, broke out in tears, and offered me the rest to drive. I obliged of course but really started to question as to why I was in a relationship with her.
She stole all of my Suboxone and then gave me a line of shit about me taking xanax and she was sure she could find them if she could come over and look.
Anyways I hadn't blacked out or anything like that. I had them in a safe and my mother left the safe unlocked after she took some pills to sleep.
Her brother's fiance called me and told me she was selling Suboxone and she was fuckingg my best friend. He did steal them back fot me and then that ex gf actually called me and said he stole some subs from her when they broke up and I said "I know and the weirdest thing is they match the lot number on the box of the Suboxone you said I misplaced." She tried some more meth logic and cried a bit more and I just put the phone down and it took her about ten minutes to realize I wasn't listening.
I really hate when people tell me I did something I didn't to justify their actions like who are they lying to, themselves?
That really makes no sense that marijuana is Schedule I and legal for recreational use in some states or considered worse than cocaine for that matter.
I really don't see while marijuana is illegal at all.
But then again I think Percocet, Valium, and Vicodin should be over the counter for adults.
Alcohol is a way harder drug than any I just listed.
Yeah you are right Adderall is half meth ampethamine and hald dex amp.
However meth is usually made whether in a lab or soda bottle and it is a rather potent drug capable of inducing psychosis.
Smoking it is horrible for your teeth. Shooting it is really bad for your veins. Both lead to a really nasty crash too.
I have seen, known, and saw in the media people on meth to do some very desperate things for the drug and some pretty strange and/or violent things to themselves and others.
Even the rx amps, I had a gf get an rx and fast forward two months she was just not able to function without it.
One day we were driving to pick up her daughter from school and the ten minute drive was so grueling for her she pulled over and crushed up 3 Adderall and sniffed half, broke out in tears, and offered me the rest to drive. I obliged of course but really started to question as to why I was in a relationship with her.
She stole all of my Suboxone and then gave me a line of shit about me taking xanax and she was sure she could find them if she could come over and look.
Anyways I hadn't blacked out or anything like that. I had them in a safe and my mother left the safe unlocked after she took some pills to sleep.
Her brother's fiance called me and told me she was selling Suboxone and she was fuckingg my best friend. He did steal them back fot me and then that ex gf actually called me and said he stole some subs from her when they broke up and I said "I know and the weirdest thing is they match the lot number on the box of the Suboxone you said I misplaced." She tried some more meth logic and cried a bit more and I just put the phone down and it took her about ten minutes to realize I wasn't listening.
I really hate when people tell me I did something I didn't to justify their actions like who are they lying to, themselves?
Burnt Offerings
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One local news story regarding meth I saw shortly before I left my hometown involved a man and a woman smoking meth in a hotel room & fucking. When the woman's boyfriend came back to the room, she accused the man she had sex with of raping her, at which point the boyfriend suffocated the guy to death. Supposedly the woman helped by holding a towel over his face so he couldn't yell for help.
I think that story encapsulates the mindset a lot of tweakers get into...they just go completely off the fucking rails. I've seen arraignment footage of a local meth dealer I used to live next door to a couple different times, on the local morning news...the last time the description the news anchor gave was that he had gone on a "crime spree", LOL (under the influence of methamphetamine he had stolen a lot of different people's cars over the course of a day...for no real reason except for, hey, meth...)
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