Heroin Is heroin's addictive potential dose-relevant?

[acim]

This might be a stupid question, I'm just asking for advice. I love the nice buzz of a little bit of an opiate, however, painkillers are getting difficult to find and are becoming more expensive. Kratom never did much for me, and I can't be bothered with buying a pound of poppy seeds from *snip* to extract just for a buzz. Heroin is very available here, however, and I was wondering if a low dose (1 mg) smoked or snorted could provide just a small buzz without the huge addiction or is the chemical itself just extremely addictive regardless of dosage?

 

[mrflowers00]

smaller doses will likely slow the development of addiction

 

[Oxide]

The rate at which your dependence will build is affected by a variety of factors. Availability is a big one. If it's cheap, easily found, and you like it, chances are it could become a problem quickly and get out of hand before you know what hit you.

The amount you dose and how often is also a huge factor here. If you re-dose often, it will speed up the processes exponentially. The amount you dose is also relevant, simply because the more you use the higher your tolerance (obviously) goes.

 

[adrandell116]

I actually chased for the first time the other day, all in all wasn't very impressed at all! Nice feeling and all, but by no means something I could take and enjoy on a daily basis. Perhaps for the better though! People talk about such low doses on here but everyone I know takes 200 - 600 mg to get a buzz. I had 300 mg on my first time! Brown powder... Is it just ridiculously impure stuff or something? Oh and my mates smoke it once a week, if that at the dose stated above but they don't ever show signs of withdrawal, so moderated use seems to be okay!

 

[tremours]

smoking is a complete waste. anyways in my experience its not so much the amount but how often you do it. Theres no way your going to get a habit from only using once a week no matter how much you do

 

[Alex000]

Heroin isn't much more addictive than other opiates. You seem to think so. Be very cautious with any street drugs, I am not one for them at all. I like my pills and liquor.

 

[Tommyboy]

smoking is a complete waste. anyways in my experience its not so much the amount but how often you do it. Theres no way your going to get a habit from only using once a week no matter how much you do

Smoking is a perfectly viable option for those in the UK getting heroin base. It even works well for people getting tar, but it doesn't really work at all for people that get powder heroin #4.

To the OP, plenty of people get hooked on vicodin, which is essentially the same high as a low dose of heroin. Keep that in mind.

 

[tremours]

it probably just comes down to your tolerance but ive never realy gotten high off of smoking.

 

[burn out]

smoking is a complete waste. anyways in my experience its not so much the amount but how often you do it. Theres no way your going to get a habit from only using once a week no matter how much you do

This. How often you use is a MUCH more important factor than the dose you take. Also, whether or not you redose when you use, is another factor more important than the initial dose you take. Of course, the lower the dose you take, the less addicted you get, but the first two factors are a lot more important.

 

[adrandell116]

Well I smoked 300mg within half hour, the only time I have tried the stuff. Don''t get me wrong, I was messed up.Bbut a few spliffs of decent green gets me feeling nicer! As I have read, maybe it needs to be tried a few times to appreciate it fully. Although that is something I most probably will not be doing all that often!

 

[lightitup]

it probably just comes down to your tolerance but ive never realy gotten high off of smoking.

As an ex-multiple year, daily IV user, smoking was my favorite ROA. It was brown powder that is seen midwest and known as mexican dope (not tar). It is a preference, and tolerance plays a factor. I would have to smoke more to feel the same as IV, but really it wouldn't be that huge of a difference in dosage. Like a difference of .4 smoked or .3 in a few shots. It is a lot about technique, I was super efficient.

Anyway, I suggest not trying it OP. You can still get addicted if you can feel the effects, and probably even if you can't. And why would you want to do that if you weren't getting high?

To the above poster: That must have been crappy dope! 300mg could kill a lot of people if it was even halfway decent.

 

[adrandell116]

I was probably quite wasteful due to technique. But I went on what a good mate said was wise! Tasted like caramelized sugar or toffee like. Oh and I'm down South Wales and to be fair most street drugs are shite (cut to f**k)!

 

[tremours]

I was probably quite wasteful due to technique. But I went on what a good mate said was wise! Tasted like caramelized sugar or toffee like. Oh and I'm down South Wales and to be fair most street drugs are shite (cut to f**k)!

if the shit your smoking tasted like toffee than youve been fucked,

 

[sixpartseven]

Is heroin less addictive at smaller doses? No, but I'd argue it's an easier addiction to get out of because unlike the potential for addiction, which is the same despite the dose, the severity of the withdrawals that come with a low-dose dependency will be minimized.

Also, to be clear, addiction is different than dependency. Addiction is a behavioral issue, while dependency is physical. You can use heroin a handful of times over the course of a couple weeks, not even using it every day, and love it so much that you obsess over it and do wreckless things to get some more and do it again. You're not physically dependent, but you're technically addicted if your using affects you negatively but you use it again anyway. It doesn't matter how much or how little heroin you use, you're still addicted.

 

[heavyriffer]

It seems like to me dope is a very weird drug in its addicting, tolerance, and dosing stuff. I snort very very little or well i hope its a little less than a point in a week. even tho i take small lines/bumps it seems when i take 1-3 days off im really anticipating snorting it again even if i feel it or not.

 

[tremours]

if you can take 1-3 days off your not addicted

 

[heavyriffer]

well thats good to hear, i mean i dont IV it i snort it. the longest i went off it as break was like 5-6 days then i used but not even half a point. its grey tan powder folded in a square paper thingy.

 

[adrandell116]

I have no knowledge of the substance itself. However I have used morphine and codeine a lot and effects were very similar. Plus the nausea induced along with the high, says it can't be anything other than an opiate! It wasn't toffee as such, but that is the closest way I can think of describing it! I'm going to assume by dosage alone, disregarding taste. That it was cut heavily! As research does say 300mg is a huge dose for an experienced user, let alone a first timer!

 

[Tchort]

The street heroin amounts (300mg, 250mg, gram, half-gram, etc) bear no resemblence to their actual diamorphine/opioid content.

Are smaller amounts of Heroin less addictive? The best way to answer this question is to read up on the history of the "Heroin Pills" manufactured in China and smoked/chased all over the world in the '20s-'30s:

The Mysterious Heroin Pills for Smoking
In the 1920's and 1930's a very peculiar use of drugs sprang up in the Far East, grew to enormous proportions, and spread to the United States and other countries, before it partially died down again. This was the use of "red pills" or "heroin pills" in lieu of smoking opium.

These pills were strange mixtures, generally containing such ingredients as heroin, caffeine, a cinchona alkaloid (quinine, cinchonine, or cinchonidine), strychnine, and aspirin or salicylic acid, mixed with starch, cane sugar or milk sugar (lactose), a delicate perfume, and a little dye to colour the pills. They were commonly coloured red or pink, but sometimes black, yellow, or simply dingy white. They were smoked, not in the usual opium pipe, but usually in a vase specially adapted to the purpose. Their effect was much disputed then, and is still highly mysterious.

. . .

The first seizures of such pills in Hong Kong took place in 1928. These pills contained 2 milligrammes of heroin each, and were otherwise composed of lactose with caffeine and traces of strychnine; coloured pink, and about the size of a pea. It was said that they could be bought in Shanghai at the price of $14 per bag of 10,000 pills, and could be sold in Canton at $20 per bag. The retail price was said to be one cent per pill. In 1928, the seizure in Hong Kong totalled about 200,000 pills. (O.C.862).

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1953-01-01_2_page012.html

No, smaller doses are not less addictive. Severity of withdrawal symptoms, growth of tolerance, requiring larger amounts as time goes on, etc are common facets of opioid addiction, and means to judge severity of addiction, but they are not de facto a means of defining how 'addicted' someone is. Addictive behavior (compulsive drug seeking, continued use in spite of growing or massive negative effects from continuing to use, giving up time with friends,family,work,school,etc to use or for the habit, etc) can be present at any level of addiction, regardless of how 'much' is being used.

 

[Mango733]

Quick question then I will reply to the OP.

I'm a noob when it comes to H weights. I know that I buy 20$ bags and they are supposed to be .1. My buddy has a scale and weighs it to make sure its straight sometimes and it usually comes out .08 or .09. My question is what is this compared to 300mg? .1 is equal to 1000mg correct? if .1 is only 100mg then 300mg woulkd kill a man, thats why I ask, I don't do the weighing so I'm a nub.


But to the OP's basic question.. I'd say for the most part it depends on the person and their willpower. I would say that it is obvious that the severity of an H addiction varies depending on how much a person is doing but Id also say you can be an addict with a .01 tolerance and an addict with a .1 tolerance and both are engaging in addicting behavior. The smaller habit will be easier to break sure, but once you start down the H train it becomes harder and harder to manage just doing smaller doses and what happens is the smaller hits just serve to "get you by" rather than enducing any euphoria. You have experience and know what opiates do so If you can handle your shit and take breaks and not let it control your brain I would give you the thumbs up and say that yes, H is a cheap alternative to buying expensive pills on the street.. It's all opiate anyhow.