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Heroin Is heroin dying out?? Losing popularity?

Not a heroin user but as a former methamphetamine user, i found plenty of my once friends jump over to heroin after a binge. Its definitely niche and nowhere the size it was in the 80s-90s but its still around.

Seeing how pharmaceutical opiates are coming harder and more expensive to find by the day. I'd make a prediction and say H might make a bit of an unfortunate comeback in the coming years.
 
We saw exactly this pattern in the UK. People who graduated to injecting amphetamine went on to simply change what was in the barrel.
 
Judging from some of the more recent comments, I think the 'depends on what circles' you surround yourself in factor plays a big part.

This is only my experience over the past 4 years, and may be opposite to others. I was going to start by saying in Melbourne, however, due to DNM's city locations are becoming less and less relevant, So I will just say in general, I haven't encountered any drop in the number of people using heroin who still do, nor any draught or dry periods. From what I have seen, I believe there has been more heroin than ever getting through (from 2020-2025) until now which is based on three factors, those being:

1. Purity has remained extremely high from the sources I use and I know others would as well.
2. The price of a gram has decreased by over 50%. What I was paying in 2020/2021 for a gram is now slightly less half of what it was back then.
3. Bulk prices (both witnessed and also reported in ACC data) has shown a drop in price, not as significant as street-level quantities (certainly not 60% on a brick) but a noticeable difference.

From my eyes there isn't really a comeback to be made, unless we start the time period pre-2020. Which it was more expensive (a LOT) , lower purity generally and I seem to personally not know as many H users back then, or i should say those who use now that I know, many didn't back then.
 
I don't know about popularity but availability seems to be way down, or I'm in the wrong circles. I thought that now living not 30 minutes from the Mexican border H would be easier to find, even if it's that damned tar instead of powder, but all I can ever find is fake 30s. Hell I'd prefer real oxy to random fent content/mystery cut. Right now it's what seems like the weekly dry spell for blues. I'm sitting here looking at a Tramadol 50 with skepticism and a little nervousness since I've had little experience with the stuff. I do opiates for the fragged vertebrae not the buzz. I used to get good raw on the East Coast and man I'd fistfight the Hulk for some of that right now.
 
Here in Michigan heroin use was on the rise for a while but by about 2016, the vast majority of the heroin sold on the street was fentanyl or contained fentanyl. This lead to a massive increase in overdose deaths, with deaths increasing every year until their peak in 2021 which coincided with the covid lockdowns. Since then, they've begun to decline, probably due to increased awareness about the dangers of fentanyl use but overdose deaths are still very high compared to how things were before fentanyl.
 
DarkFuel said:
I thought that now living not 30 minutes from the Mexican border H would be easier to find
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Maybe if this border was somewhere in Western, Central, or Southeast Asia, but the US-Mexico border? Fentville bro. Definitely grab some test strips and consider growing a greenhouse full of poppies. Smoking opium like an old chinese man in 1860 doesn't sound so bad. Currently Myanmar is one of the major opium sources in the world and it just got hit with a severe earthquake, maybe look into tianeptine, methadone, or 7-OH-Mitragynine in the meantime.
 
Esperighanto said:
Maybe if this border was somewhere in Western, Central, or Southeast Asia, but the US-Mexico border? Fentville bro. Definitely grab some test strips and consider growing a greenhouse full of poppies. Smoking opium like an old chinese man in 1860 doesn't sound so bad. Currently Myanmar is one of the major opium sources in the world and it just got hit with a severe earthquake, maybe look into tianeptine, methadone, or 7-OH-Mitragynine in the meantime.
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That was my first thought yesterday, I wonder if this will affect the price and/or purity of H in Aus which has been so consistent for so long.

There's enough of it here for the flow-on effect to probably take a couple of weeks to be seen first if so. I guess it depends on how much (and if any) of the supply chain from the fields to the processing locations, then to the exit points out of the golden triangle has been affected? I hope not too much. I would hate for that to be the spark of the dreaded F word that we have been lucky enough to basically avoid the past decade.

Drugs aside, my thoughts are with the thousands of poor people affected by this tragedy.
 
burn out said:
Here in Michigan heroin use was on the rise for a while but by about 2016, the vast majority of the heroin sold on the street was fentanyl or contained fentanyl. This lead to a massive increase in overdose deaths, with deaths increasing every year until their peak in 2021 which coincided with the covid lockdowns. Since then, they've begun to decline, probably due to increased awareness about the dangers of fentanyl use but overdose deaths are still very high compared to how things were before fentanyl.
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@DarkFuel @burn out

Thanks for giving an update on how things are currently in your areas of the US market. I hadn't actually asked anyone if anything had changed in close to two years. Glad too hear fent is slowly (and i imagine thats a very slow slowly) decreasing.
 
andyturbo said:
Glad too hear fent is slowly (and i imagine thats a very slow slowly) decreasing.
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In Maine it got replaced by Nitazenes, ~1.5-2 years ago. They were so unpleasant for the majority of users that people would go on the Fentanyl -> Huge doses of 7-OH -> Tapering with mitragynine extracts route.
andyturbo said:
There's enough of it here for the flow-on effect to probably take a couple of weeks to be seen first if so. I guess it depends on how much (and if any) of the supply chain from the fields to the processing locations, then to the exit points out of the golden triangle has been affected? I hope not too much. I would hate for that to be the spark of the dreaded F word that we have been lucky enough to basically avoid the past decade.
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Since Sam Gor and Tse Chi Lop's whole operation there fragmented into a million pieces, I'm honestly shocked things have remained stable. That happened 4-5 years ago, was there a noticeable shift in drug availability in Australia around that time?
 
Esperighanto said:
In Maine it got replaced by Nitazenes, ~1.5-2 years ago. They were so unpleasant for the majority of users that people would go on the Fentanyl -> Huge doses of 7-OH -> Tapering with mitragynine extracts route.

Since Sam Gor and Tse Chi Lop's whole operation there fragmented into a million pieces, I'm honestly shocked things have remained stable. That happened 4-5 years ago, was there a noticeable shift in drug availability in Australia around that time?
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There was indeed, but in the exact opposite way that would have been expected. I briefly spoke about how it has been during that time frame a few posts up.

The mystery deepens. Whoever is now running the main show knows what they are doing and has had the means and reach to get it here consistently, in high purity for 5 years straight.

Perhaps there are now multiple competitors right from the initial processing stage? That could explain things if there is competition now at that stage, and I would imagine a few extra players involved in the transportation and initial stage bulk distribution once it lands? Food for thought.

I am intrigued, though. Naturally, the opposite should have occurred after the S.G and Tse Chi Lop takedown (as you mentioned yourself)
 
andyturbo said:
Perhaps there are now multiple competitors right from the initial processing stage? That could explain things if there is competition now at that stage, and I would imagine a few extra players involved in the transportation and initial stage bulk distribution once it lands? Food for thought.
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Competition may be one factor, but I wouldn't be shocked if there are state actors involved, akin to the USA's old "French Connection" antics.
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Damn, that's not the good news I thought I was hearing during the moment before :(
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Some people fucking loved nitazenes but they didn't want to use them often oddly enough, whereas fentheads are trying to drown themselves in fetty. It's very peculiar, I've not used nitazenes but used to live in an area with many people who did. Nitazenes were kind of like if fent lasted a little longer, and instead of causing a nod/fold causing manic dancing and the sort. I used to think people were coming up on ice or vaporized cocaine sometimes when I'd watch a random person smoke a foilie in my driveway and start boogieing. Turns out that it was often the fentheads who found their ways into accidental nitazene exposure. I was mostly into spice there, but god damn did that shit elicit some problematic behavior from people. Maine is a "cannabis capital", and we've had a ton of Triad members buying rural homes to flip into cannabis grows which it turns out were fueling almost the entire east coast of the USA's cannabis demands, outside of isomerized CBD and other converted distillates. I wonder if there's a similar phenomenon, like a "fragmentation" of source if that makes sense.

Sorry if it's rambly, grammatically incoherent or full of typos, it's an etizolam night tonight.
 
Esperighanto said:
Competition may be one factor, but I wouldn't be shocked if there are state actors involved, akin to the USA's old "French Connection" antics.

Some people fucking loved nitazenes but they didn't want to use them often oddly enough, whereas fentheads are trying to drown themselves in fetty. It's very peculiar, I've not used nitazenes but used to live in an area with many people who did. Nitazenes were kind of like if fent lasted a little longer, and instead of causing a nod/fold causing manic dancing and the sort. I used to think people were coming up on ice or vaporized cocaine sometimes when I'd watch a random person smoke a foilie in my driveway and start boogieing. Turns out that it was often the fentheads who found their ways into accidental nitazene exposure. I was mostly into spice there, but god damn did that shit elicit some problematic behavior from people. Maine is a "cannabis capital", and we've had a ton of Triad members buying rural homes to flip into cannabis grows which it turns out were fueling almost the entire east coast of the USA's cannabis demands, outside of isomerized CBD and other converted distillates. I wonder if there's a similar phenomenon, like a "fragmentation" of source if that makes sense.

Sorry if it's rambly, grammatically incoherent or full of typos, it's an etizolam night tonight.
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State actors straight away came to my mind as well. Considering who gained access to everything and how smoothly it has run - that's probably the most likely reason when I think about it now.

Thanks for sharing that information, I am always interested to hear how things are overseas. I have seen what you are explaining on YouTube many times and without knowing otherwise, I would have also made the same assumptions.

"Sorry if it's rambly, grammatically incoherent or full of typos, it's an etizolam night tonight."
Haha you have been absolutely fine man. I am laughing because I am so guilty of that very often. Just a slightly different substance, but they may as well be the same. Enjoy your etizolam my friend!
 
crazyekkie85 said:
Lucky I left the opiate stone unturned *sigh* it sounds so complicated. I gave benzos a crack, and that'll do.
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If temptation ever truly calls you, and you want an opioid (not opiate, but opioid) with truly a truly fascinating character, my advice is anywhere from 2-3.5 grams of kratom leaf, gel caps work fine for it. Going more potent than kratom can be risky for some, but small amounts of kratom are relatively benign imo.
 
I echo what burnout said EXACTLY in fact 2016 was the year I gave up on getting H without fent etc in it after like 12 batches came back fet positive in a row all from ppl swearin up and down w/e -- also MI, Detroit.
 
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