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Heroin Is heroin any more addictive than prescription pain pills?

juststoppingby said:
I am now on methadone maintainance, been for over two years. I have always loved metadone, and they dosed me to the point off nodding off at the end of my start up. This is the way they do it here, so we have noe chance of heroin working on top. I am now on 90mg and feel I should up to 100mg, but then I'd never get scripted benzos so I make do. haven't tried heroin at all after starting the 'done.
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So you still chasing the high in methadone maintenance? Sounds like bad idea to me, at least if you ever wanted to get off it. Most people seem to hate the liquid handcuffs, but you seem different.
 
Swim is on day 5 of being clean after nearly a year of chasing opiate highs, bringing an end, finally, to a neverending hustle to fill the infinite void created by opiate/opioid addiction/dependence. For swims entire recreational drug carreer- approximately 5 years - he has loved the pleasant buzz of hydrocodone, but not until februrary of '12 did his habit become addiction. Following swims being introduced to heroin and the i.v. ROA as well as dilaudid and oxy, the urge to use became irresistable as i fell head-over-heels in love with these more potent opiates. In august, i started on suboxone, which helped immensely with cravings and withdrawal, both of which were basically nonexistent. Things were good, as i no longer had to focus significant time, energy, and money on getting a daily fix. Not to mention the relief of no longer dealing with the stress associated with illegal activities. However, i missed the pleasure of the highs and the euphoric rush of taking a shot of some tar or dilaudid, as suboxone does not induce any type of high for the experienced opiate user. Pretty soon - about 3 months in - i had failed too many drug tests and relaps ltwice on opana and dope, and my doc recommemded inpatient rehab. F that, i thought, and picked up where i left off, only now my already high tolerance had skyrocketed due to my daily dose of 12 mg of sub. So for the past month, i completely drained my funds, shooting .5 to a gram daily, awakening every morning to the. i nitial symptoms of dopesickness. Id prob still be out using had i not run out of money. Forced to either go back on subs, check in to rehab, or face the music and quit cold turkey, swim chose the third option, wanting to be completely free of opiate addiction. Needless to say, withdrawal was hell, especially the first 72 hours. After four days, last night, symptoms finally begin to subside. So here i am now, detoxed, but lacking a solid plan, which i know ill need in order to remain off the stuff. Ill start going to NA meetings and find a counselor i suppose. I know the statistics of relapse, but i am determined and optimistic. Never again, does swim want to go throug the cycle of relapse, running, and withdrawal. Sorry for the off-topic biographical account. I just felt a tremendous need to get it all in writing as swim is just emerging from it all. Also, i feel my story could be useful to others. To answer the question, yes. Generally speaking, heroin, is more addoctive than most pills. However, with its greatly varying potencies, strong breakthrough pain meds, namely hydromorpgome and oxymorphone can be just as, if not more addictive, esp if he user uses the inttavaneous ROA
 
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Disregard all "I's" in the above post as i am talking about SOMEONE WHO ISNT ME. Tried to edit tjem out but im doing tjis on my phone and the cursor is all fukt up
 
Renz Envy said:
This,

I think the general mindset behind using heroin is more addicting. That and you never know how much you dose.

If you take half an 80mg oxycodon, you have 40 mg. So you can control tolerance a little better

If you take half of 200mg of tar, you have an unknown amount and it could not be substantial enough to get you to where you want to be. Therefore tolerance control is much more difficult and I believe this is one of the major reasons why street drugs are generally more addicting.
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I absolutely agree on all accounts.
 
mrflowers00 said:
i'm not saying anyone should take the doses i have taken i have a massive tolerance that took a decade to reach
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So you did IV 100mg's of hydromorphone in a single shot? I get tolerance being high.. trust me, I do.. but that's a bit outrageous. If you say you did than you did, just wanted clarification because it's pretty nuts of a dose.
 
I say heroin is more addictive than most other opioids. It is basically morphine that crosses the blood brain barrier 3 times as quick. The rush is intense even if snorted. I never shot up and have only used a handful of times but besides a little vomiting it was some of the best opiate high I ever experienced. So good in fact I made a vow never to use it again!

Some like dilaudid(Hydromorphone), Opana(oxymorphone), and/or Oxycodone better but usually only if they are mainlining them. It is much more dangerous to mainline pills than heroin unless your dope is cut to shit with pill type binders or other crap that isn't good to shoot. A wheel filter is a must when trying to shoot these.

I am glad I get prescribed hydrocodone 10mg up to three times daily and I get a buzz off two or three as long as I am not in pain. Or if my tolerance is up from using too many consecutive days.

That's my take on it anyway.
 
You can get just as fucked up on pills as heroin, but the whole nature of H is more dangerous, shady and addictive....The same thing could be said about prescription stimulants vs meth....that being said, a junkies a junkie pretty much, whether its roxies or dope, it takes you to the same place, the bottom floor, the fucking basement!
 
JJ1234 said:
I say heroin is more addictive than most other opioids. It is basically morphine that crosses the blood brain barrier 3 times as quick. The rush is intense even if snorted. I never shot up and have only used a handful of times but besides a little vomiting it was some of the best opiate high I ever experienced. So good in fact I made a vow never to use it again!
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It's not just the morphine which heroin metabolizes into that provides the high, although that is part of what causes the high. It's also the 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) which is another psychoactive metabolite unique to heroin which causes some of the euphoria. 3-Monoacetylmorphine (3-MAM) is the other active metabolite in heroin, but it is the least active of the three, so the euphoria from heroin isn't really attributed to it.
 
Above post makes many valid points. And just to clarify, pure heroin (extremely rare, basically nonexi
stent on the street) , or diacetylmorphine (i think, no spellcheck) found in say a pharmaceutical lab is the most potent opiate known to man if im not mistaken. It was widely available in the 20s and 30s as an ingredient on over-the-counter cough elixers believe it or not. It didnt take long though before its addictive potential and dangerous nature was realized by the FDA, and was promptly outlawed. Today, heroin is reg
arded as a purely recreational, scheduel 1 narcotic by the DEA with
no medical or theraputic value - tell that to someone high on dope...Anyway, with the term 'most addictive' being subjective, there is no right answer, but if i had to give an answer, given heroins notorious history, id say its the one. Also, heroin has a cruelly short half life (30-40 min), which leaves the user wanting more. Comoare that to the half luves of pharmaceuticals hydrocodone (4-7 hours), oxy (around 7 - 10 i believe), oxymorphone (5-7), and heroins cousin morphine (2-5..i think). This factor, IMO, also contributes to its dangerously addictive potential. Please note, all figures are from off the top of my head and may not be 100 percent accurate. So, please excuse and feel free to correct any errors
 
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Are we talking about potency in terms of weight or what? It's really hard to have a real discussion about this because we don't have access to pure, unadulterated opioids. I have a lot of experience with opiates and for me heroin gets me higher than anything else! Of course, if I could go out and but a gram of %25 hyrdromorphone tghat I was able to just use any ROA I chose, maybe I'd feel differently!! Shit even a gram of near pure hydrocodone would probably be ridiculous!

As it stands right now in the US, for all intents and purposes, heroin is the most addictive opiate, IMO.....It's a very potent opiate to begin with, but the very fact that it's unregulated makes it subjectively seem more potent than other opiates, regardless of whether or not thats true... and we all now there's more potent opiates by weight. fentanyl for example. Far more potent by weight....

but if we had access to pure opioids where we could do a "taste test", I'm still bettin on heroin being in the top 3....
 
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I think if we all could recieve pharmaceuitcal grade heroin then I believe we would find all the majorly abused opiates relatively the same in terms of addiction potential. I believe personally that oxymorphone is more addicting than heroin but I hvnt done any in a LONG time
 
Mass08 said:
I think if we all could recieve pharmaceuitcal grade heroin then I believe we would find all the majorly abused opiates relatively the same in terms of addiction potential.
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Yea, if there was a "DiacetylmorphineContin" or "HeroinContin" (sounds better) =D pill sold by pharmaceutical companies then I don't think that we would be having this discussion. We would just be comparing it the same as we do oxycodone vs hydrocodone vs oxymorphone and such, and I really doubt it would still be dubbed the "holy grail" of opiates.

opiofiend92 said:
And just to clarify, pure heroin (extremely rare, basically nonexistent on the street) , or diacetylmorphine (i think, no spellcheck) found in say a pharmaceutical lab is the most potent opiate known to man if im not mistaken.
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Heroin [diacetylmorphine] is far from the most potent opiate/opioid known to man. Drugs like 3-Methylfentanyl are way more potent than heroin. I think that hydromorphone and even oxymorphone are more potent than heroin when comparing all via the IV route of administration.
 
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I always forgey about fentynal. Your absolutely right...stuffs measured in micrograms for chtists sake. As for hydro and oxymorph, idk. Im not an expert though. Suppose i should have done a bit more research before posting. However, i still maintain my opinion that heroin is the 'most addictive' . I must emphasize the OPINION part as it seems a complex scientific study in which pharmaceutical grade dope (which by the way is cryatal clear) is compared to the others would need to be undergone before any such claim could be validated
 
opiofiend92 said:
Disregard all "I's" in the above post as i am talking about SOMEONE WHO ISNT ME. Tried to edit tjem out but im doing tjis on my phone and the cursor is all fukt up
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wow interesting how you actually believe it isn't obvious you're talking about yourself.

opiofiend92 said:
Above post makes many valid points. And just to clarify, pure heroin (extremely rare, basically nonexi
stent on the street) , or diacetylmorphine (i think, no spellcheck) found in say a pharmaceutical lab is the most potent opiate known to man if im not mistaken.
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there are many more potent opioids than heroin, such as fentanyl, fentanyl analogues, oxymorphone (non oral), hydromorphone, buprenorphine, bromadol. one of the most potent opioids is something called carfentanyl. although none of these drugs are "opiates" in the strictest sense of the word, neither is heroin. an opiate is morphine or codeine, the rest are called semi-synthetic opioids since they aren't naturally occurring.
 
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Also guys just because an opiate is more potent than another one it doesn't mean that it is always more recreational. Fentanyl is way more potent than heroin is, but I don't find it to be euphoric it all.
 
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