Heroin Is heroin any more addictive than prescription pain pills?

[Znegative]

Anyway, to answer your question. It depends on which pain killer you are comparing to heroin. Both oxycodone and hydrocodone are semi-synthetic opiates derived from codeine. These are NOT more addictive than heroin. I would presume its safe to say that heroin will be much more habit forming than either of the two...

They're derived from codeine and Thebaine. I really think its impossible to say that oxycodone is more or less psychologically addicting that heroin as its all subjective. I mean, I personally agree that heroin is more addictive IME, but I know plenty who prefer oxycodone by far. Also, all of this depends on how we are comparing these drugs' relative 'habit forming potential'. I think that it would only be possible for physical dependency development to be measured. Their psychological addictiveness has too much to do with preference.

This extremely reinforcing feeling, coupled with its awfully short half life will have you screaming for another hit. this is so sure to cause addiction, even more so than heroin I would say... because heroin offers the user a rush, followed by hours of a nod/high... and of course, heroin smoked/snorted lasts quite a while.

I'm not sure if this would make it more addictive though... I would argue that Diacetylmorphine/Heroin would be more addictive as it has both a great rush and a nice long high. I love a great IV opiate rush, but its not the same as IV cocaine IMO, which similarly hits you like a train and is over in two minutes. Opiates are usually sought after for their warm euphoria, Dilaudid is just too short acting, and I know I would prefer less rush for more buzz-but then again, that's my personal taste.

As I stated earlier, heroin comes from morphine also... that's why the pain killers that are synthesized from morphine are basically the only ones that can be compared with heroin in terms of addictive qualities. They are all addictive, and oxycodone sure as hell is addictive, but in general, those that come from morphine are sure to suck you down a hole of addiction faster.

Do you have any proof of this? I just don't see why morphine and its derivatives would automatically be more addictive than purely synthetic opioids like Methadone for example.

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on your post or anything, you make a lot of good points, just for the sake of discussion .

 

[BlueHues]

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You really think the high from shooting coke is over in 2 minutes, or are you talking about the rush....I feel a shot of coke for a good 20 mins at least....I think another horrible thing about IV cocaine is that it compels you to keep redosing way too soon and you can end up ODing that way...

It's always a dramatic experience!

 

[SaosinEngaged]

I didn't find Vicodin or Percocet addictive, but I definitely found heroin addictive.

It'll vary among different people but I would have to say it is.

I didn't find Vicodin or Percocet addictive either =P.

But then I found 30mg Roxi's and it was off to the races my man. Truly as you said, it varies amongst different people. Truer words cannot be spoken when it comes to this topic.

Personally, I've never enjoyed insufflated H. I found it far too physically depressing without the euphoric "kick" Oxycodone gives.

 

[SaosinEngaged]

Some people just aren't the type to ever do heroin.. so, though it is more addicting in a lot of ways.. if it's just something you would never do, than it's obviously not more addicting for you. The problem with pills... is that many middle and upper class suburbanites get hooked on them, thinking that since they are from a doctor and not "heroin" with all the stigma attached to it.. that they'll be fine. So, that thought and that attitude makes them more addicting for a lot of people than H. They view H as something poor homeless people do and think they are above it with their bottle of oxy.. only to find out that after a few years, they have the same disease and the same psychical dependence as that poor homeless guy shooting smack in the gutter.

I'm a middle class suburbanite hooked on Oxy, and I've never thought that for a second. I know plenty of people hooked on H, and I've never once though of H as a drug poor homeless people do in the city. I've always respected it as a drug that has destroyed far too many lives from all walks of life.

Of course, what you're saying sure applies to some of the more naive people out there. I'm also probably not a good sample as I read all available medical literature on a substance before I ingest it. I think Bluelighters buck trends and break stereotypes

 

[BlueHues]

^I've lived a double life with being a heroin addict, i'm from the suburbs and I'm not a typical scumbag junkie...Now that I'm off it youd never know...

It does generally put you around a completely different crowd than pills though! I've always been able to exist in both worlds though, going into the ghetto and buying heroin from some pretty thug-type characters to going back to the suburbs and being a semi-regular person....

the fact that I can do that is one of the reasons I copped for so many other people in the suburbs and was able to hustle a lot of free dope daily!

The pill scene from a heroin users perspective is a huge, expensive pain in the ass....so much more bullshit and haggling and waiting all day for a phonecall! shit!

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Depends on how one uses it. I can think of a more addictive pill habit and a more addictive heroin habit, depending on so many things from tolerance to ROA to lifestyle and environmental factors.

I agree, but just want to add to tricomb's post (how I understand it) is that you must compare "apples with apples".
Meaning, heroin is basically at the top of the opiate ladder.(I've never used it so bare with me). This "illegal" drug would be much easier to acquire than the Rx pill that is at the top of the "legal" ladder (so to speak).
But if a person or the doctors themselves had access to unlimited "legal" prescriptions for Dipipanone I think the addiction to both drugs would be pretty equal. But taking the ROA into the equation I would say that the Dipipanone addict would spiral into a more destructive and faster addiction than the Heroin addict.

Just my thoughts and from what I have seen.

 

[BlueHues]

I agree, but just want to add to tricomb's post (how I understand it) is that you must compare "apples with apples".
Meaning, heroin is basically at the top of the opiate ladder.(I've never used it so bare with me). This "illegal" drug would be much easier to acquire than the Rx pill that is at the top of the "legal" ladder (so to speak).
But if a person or the doctors themselves had access to unlimited "legal" prescriptions for Dipipanone I think the addiction to both drugs would be pretty equal. But taking the ROA into the equation I would say that the Dipipanone addict would spiral into a more destructive and faster addiction than the Heroin addict.

Just my thoughts and from what I have seen.

You're from the UK obviously....Can you even get dipipanone anymore? I heard that died awhile ago....I don't think it was ever available here in the states...
From what I hear, it sounds like it was some pretty good shit!

 

[shreddedlettuce]

No, not from UK.
And yes it is only available on Rx in a few countries, but strictly controlled.

 

[Marie1010]

I've had to detox from H and Oxy. The H withdrawal was horrible but lasted for a full week with a few months to regain my strength and brain chemistry. The Oxy was hard but I was chipping it and they gave me Subutex so it was hard but much easier than cold turkey w/ H. I have friends though who've had to detox from benzo's and they've always had a hard time- it seems it's a longer duration of pain.
For me, Oxy get's boring then I go to H, then switch or I just stay away altogether since either way I go down very fast.

 

[stivsmegg]

i have tried unsuccessfully to quit both oxy and heroin cold and i have to say that the oxy habit seemed to last longer and was a little closer to methadone w/d ime but to be honest at some point all w/ds for me eventually always end up the same now no matter what opiate i am doing(assuming due to over 16 years of being addicted to one opiate or another with only a handful of breaks and only in jail) also i only actually had one oxy habit due to being in the workhouse doing 4 months(w/ding from methadone too)and i had to have my hernia repaired so i was prescribed the usual oxycodone regimin for post surgery pain. eventually i was doc shopping at e.r.s and routinely eating 20-percs or 30 vics at a time to get well. anyway, b4 i finally went back to heroin i realised that the w/d was worse for me than heroin. for me that is.

 

[Znegative]

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You really think the high from shooting coke is over in 2 minutes, or are you talking about the rush....I feel a shot of coke for a good 20 mins at least....I think another horrible thing about IV cocaine is that it compels you to keep redosing way too soon and you can end up ODing that way...

It's always a dramatic experience!

No, your right, the rush is over in two minutes, the high still only lasts 5 minutes max, and IMO is not that euphoric, usually fading quite seemlessly into the crash lol. I guess I consider the 'high' from IV coke to be the rush, as its such an unusual experience, even compared to other strong IV stimulants.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

No, your right, the rush is over in two minutes, the high still only lasts 5 minutes max, and IMO is not that euphoric, usually fading quite seemlessly into the crash lol. I guess I consider the 'high' from IV coke to be the rush, as its such an unusual experience, even compared to other strong IV stimulants.

Yeah, the "high" from coke is basically the rush itself.. because right when it ends it immediately starts slowly sucking more and more... Haha. There really is no high to me with IV coke.. There's rushing and crashing... Which is why the compulsion to redose is so fucking strong.

 

[Znegative]

Yeah, god, I'm so glad I quit that shit. I would just sit in my bathroom, shoot a huge amount of coke, sort of clench up and touch myself as I lost my sense of sight and sound, and then, just as it started to come back, begin to prep another shot.

 

[mrflowers00]

for me oxycodone is more addictive than heroin and heroin is more addictive than hydromorphone because most of what i'm looking for is the rush and thats the order in best rush to least best for me which i know isn't normal but it's how it works for me

 

[SteeleyJ]

IMO and my experience, yes. In general if you have a decent source the heroin should be far cheaper to get alot more of a high potency opioid with a high level of euphoria in comparison to most pain pills. And needles and heroin usually go hand in hand.

 

[OEandricearoni]

I'd say heroin is more addictive than perscription pain pills, but that's only because of the ROA. Most heroin users inject it, and the rest either smoke or snort it. Nobody takes it orally. IV'ing drugs in general is extremely addictive and that's what is most common when using heroin. The rush is what gets a lot of people hooked, and comparing a rush from taking a couple oxys orally to IV heroin, the heroin is by far more euphoric.

 

[LogicAndReason]

Yes, heroin is more addictive because it gives you the best high in general. The better the high, the more addictive. Of course this is a generalization, but it applies to the vast majority of people.