Is god right about promiscuous sex?

[Noodle]

Blame your taste buds.

So many complications. I guess me tongue is complicit.

Shame I need it, so separation is out of the question.


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[swilow]

Who is this god character?

Promiscuous sex is worse for women, as it's easier for them to get laid. If a young women has banged 10 guys (5 is cutting it close tbh) by the time she's 18, she's damaged good IMO. Usually the parents aren't together. Or if they are, they have a shitty relationship.

Why is it worse for women?

Your post is

 

[Xorkoth]

Who is this god character?

Promiscuous sex is worse for women, as it's easier for them to get laid. If a young women has banged 10 guys (5 is cutting it close tbh) by the time she's 18, she's damaged good IMO. Usually the parents aren't together. Or if they are, they have a shitty relationship.

Yeah this is bullshit, sorry dude but what a crock. Why is a woman damaged goods if she's had sex with a certain threshold of number of poeple? But guys don't have the same thing? That shit is fucked. Women like to have sex too, if they're single, why is it worse for a woman to have sex with multiple guys than it is for men to have sex with multiple women? That's some really ingrained sexist shit right there.

If a guy has had sex with 5-10 women by age 18, is he damaged goods? Humans like sex, and people who are not inhibited/ashamed by it might have perfectly legitimate, nice sex with a variety of people. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I mean I will say, if by age 18 a guy or a girl has had sex with 10 people, that makes me think, damn, maybe chill out, you're young, plenty of time ahead. But why are women special in this regard,

 

[Ovidio]

How is it easier for a woman to get laid than a man? Maybe is just the same, but because Ryan is obviously a man struggling in the lady department, that is how he sees it.

 

[Ovidio]

Seems like some in here don't know any attractive women

They are getting blown up CONSTANTLY by thirsty guys. All they have to do to get laid is message one and ask to hang out. Or go to a bar an give a guy a certain look. Even an average looking women gets tons of messages from guys when her FB relationship status gets set to 'single'. It takes 0 effort for them.

Even very good looking men have to put in effort to get laid. Their inboxes don't get blown up by women asking them to hang out or go grab drinks. So yes, it is harder for them to get laid then women.

I've seen it again and again, women who fuck a lot of men are damaged goods. It's always underlying mental issues or a shitty dysfunctional relationship with their parents.

You can't turn a hoe into a housewife

So, Ryan, it went from women in general finding it easier to get laid than men, and then it has changed to only attractive women? And you're pointing out, what, that you think some men in here don't know any attractive women?

I really don't see how a woman has any more sex than a man, given that there is somewhat of a balance of men to women in the world. You speak about this like you've never been chased by an attractive woman.

It might take some effort to get laid for a man, but that is no different to the effort that a woman puts in. If you had lady friends, or a girlfriend, then you may understand.

And you've seen it again and again, have you? Nothing personal, but it seems that you are damaged goods.

Nice Freudian slip.

 

[The Hypnotist]

The more spiritual work I do and the more I refine my body and consciousness, the more sensitive I am to other people in general. I pick up a lot of subtle influences and queues from people in my daily interactions with them. But physical contact is another story. Even cuddling with someone, I take on their shit... like if they have bad energy or they're in a bad mood. They absorb all of my refined energy that maybe I've spent days cultivating, and I get slimed by them.

Sex is a whole other level of connection. You are basically joining with someone and doing a deep level energy exchange, which establishes a sort of umbilical cord between you and them. I believe partnerships, especially sexual partnerships, involve unspoken agreements in this way. (I'm using the word "energy" as a placeholder for something else that is hard to describe.) Even when you physically separate you remain connected. And you don't just get their stuff you also get the stuff from whomever else they have slept with but haven't integrated before they slept with you.

I think modern humans are really dumbed down and desensitized to the point that they are oblivious to how their every day interactions and the environment are affecting them on subtle levels. It's to the point that even our overriding scientific and social systems all reinforce a very materialistic way of looking at life. When humans were more wild they probably felt a lot more about what was going on. I can imagine this.

So when religions talk about promiscuity being a sin, it's a metaphor for this. Remember -- religions like Christianity have core truths that have been greatly watered down over the centuries, so much so that you have to learn from more in-tact religions to understand wtf Christianity is talking about. How can you maintain your path and your spiritual integrity if you are constantly sleeping with other people and absorbing their shit without any specific intention about why you're doing it?

I had the intuition of all this to be quite truth. But never thought about it that way, let alone managed to put into words in such a beautiful fashion. Thanks very much for sharing definitely food for thought.

Maybe, and just maybe. Addictive drugs mess with our ''energy'' in a similar fashion.

 

[Ovidio]

I clearly mentioned both attractive and average women. Men do sometimes get chased by women, but not nearly as much as women get chased by men. .

I get checked out by women all the time in public, but they aren't thirsting after me like guys do after women. My sisters and female friends show me the messages they get from guys on social media, they do get them constantly. Even if they have boyfriends.

Maybe the 'women' you know are taking exongenous testosterone

Hey,
if you want to date a woman who has had dozens of cocks and loads in her mouth, all the more power to you.

Since you are referring to both attractive and average women, using your line of reasoning, that would make it even more balanced between the sexes, wouldn't it? It's relative. Men do sometimes get chased by women, as do women by men. What is likely to be different, however, is the way in which men chase women and women chase men.

If you're sure that you're getting checked out by women all the time, then you would be able to read these women's mind all the time, right?

How else would you know the difference between whether they are checking you out, or whether they are just staring into empty space and thinking of something else?

Are you saying that women never write you messages?

 

[alasdairm]

I get checked out by women all the time in public, but they aren't thirsting after me like guys do after women.

i am always very impressed by people who know what other people are thinking. a true talent.

alasdair

 

[The Hypnotist]

Excuse me, my getting into the conversation. Bitch and creepy are normaly directed to different genders. So probably the rules of the game for everybody are quite different in here. Negating women IN GENERAL have more chances of getting easy unfulfilling sex than men might be getting a bit too far into political correctedness in my view. Only very attractive or with a very high status men (and status means not only money) are brazenly and on a regular basis chased by women.

IME normaly women send some signs and men has to chase. That is not advantage to either, as both positions have their awkward points.

Let's try not take the conversation to the personal, don't be coarse, and remember we are off topic.

 

[Ovidio]

Well, I'm taken and have a baby girl, so not right now. I used to get quite a bit of messages and texts in HS and college. But that was from girls I had approached initially and already went on dates/had sex with. It's not that I can read women's minds, but I can tell when they are attracted to me.

Males have much higher levels of testosterone than women, which makes them more aggressive when pursuing potential partners. Their libidos are also higher as a result. Hence why women get approached more.

They usually give more subtle signs and expect the man to make the moves. That can change as they age though.

Eye contact and body language tells a lot more than you think .

‘If there’s one thing I know, I know women. I have a wife and a girl of my own. I have a sister and some female friends. I even received some messages from women in high school and college. I know women. Women, women, women. I know women.’ - Trump logic

Is it possible that your understanding of gender roles in society has been skewed due to your interaction with and within certain societal constructs which were imposed on you during your (conservative) upbringing? What you have stated about testosterone demonstrates a very basic and pre-ordained understanding of social behaviour. The 'science' about hormones and gender roles is often politicised and stereotyped before it has ever, or should have, became regarded as objective fact.

Testosterone is one of many hormones present in the human body, which are not always at equilibrium at any one point in time. While men generally seem to have around 20 times as much testosterone than women, this doesn’t make men 20 times more aggressive, does it? We are humans, not monkeys. We have the ability to control ourselves in social situations once we have learned to do so.

Human interaction affects testosterone production and testosterone affects behaviour. One is not causative of the other, rather there is some dependency between them. Additionally, testosterone affects men and women differently. While men have more testosterone than women, women are more sensitive to its effects.

What you are conceptualising here is social determinism through a false lens of biological determinism, but with a very poor understanding of the science behind human behaviour, social psychology, and biology.

 

[alasdairm]

Eye contact and body language tells a lot more than you think .

or you could just be wrong

You're trying to make things more complicated than they actually are.

or maybe you're oversimplifying a complex issue that we don't yet fully understand.

alasdair

 

[Shrooms00087]

Sex isn't a sin, but lust is. The reason for this is because like the jews, christians, muslims, pagans, and buddhists, they believe that sex is only an act of procreation. Some religions even go so far as to suggest how to procreate (back turned). Lust, they view, is a sinful act in that your children inherent the looks of your lover. Popular myths often depict "the trial of the bed" after a baby is born. As well as what you're lusting after, big boobs (mother), small boobs (child). Same goes for the opposite sex, muscular (the protector father figure) small/big penises. Apart from all that the body is viewed as a lesser vessel of a higher being, we are after all constantly producing waste, have boils, acne, and 'displeasing features'. Traditional views often consider make up and lusting after fantasies as vanity or pride. Basically yes they're right lust is a struggle and relationships rooted in lust don't take into account the eternal qualities of a union or even its detrimental effects.

 

[mr peabody]

There was a man in the land of Oars, and the lord gave him all that the human heart could desire. But beyond all, this man was in love with his wife. He had a vision once - a creature, half child, half woman, half angel, half lover, brushed against him. And of a sudden he knew that when one woman gives herself to you, you possess all women - women of every age and race and kind, and more than that, the moon, the stars - all miracles and legends are yours. The brown-skinned girls who inflame your senses, the yellow-haired women who entice and escape you, the gentle ones who serve you, the slender ones who torment you, the mothers who bore and suckled you - all women whom God created out of the teeming fullness of the Earth are yours in one woman.

Throw a purple garment lightly over her shoulders, and she becomes a Queen of Sheba. Lay your tousled head upon her breast, and she is Delilah waiting to enthrall you. Take her garments from her, strip the last veil from her body, and she's a chaste Susanna covering her nakedness with fluttering hands. Gaze upon her as you would gaze upon a thousand strange women. Never call her yours, for her secrets are inexhaustible - you will never know them all.

Call her by one name only. I call her Janet.

 

[Xorkoth]

Sex isn't a sin, but lust is. The reason for this is because like the jews, christians, muslims, pagans, and buddhists, they believe that sex is only an act of procreation. Some religions even go so far as to suggest how to procreate (back turned). Lust, they view, is a sinful act in that your children inherent the looks of your lover. Popular myths often depict "the trial of the bed" after a baby is born. As well as what you're lusting after, big boobs (mother), small boobs (child). Same goes for the opposite sex, muscular (the protector father figure) small/big penises. Apart from all that the body is viewed as a lesser vessel of a higher being, we are after all constantly producing waste, have boils, acne, and 'displeasing features'. Traditional views often consider make up and lusting after fantasies as vanity or pride. Basically yes they're right lust is a struggle and relationships rooted in lust don't take into account the eternal qualities of a union or even its detrimental effects.

I think the view that lust is a sin is nonsense at best, and extremely harmful at worst (and, IMO, in reality). Lust is an urge built into animals, mammals anyway. There is nothing wrong with it, it serves an instinctual purpose but like all of our instincts, as intelligent, self-aware creatures we can experience it as more than that. I am really attracted to my girlfriend and we have sex exclusively for the pleasure of it and the closeness it facilitates (not trying to have any babies). Am I a sinner for this? Is she? Are we hurting anyone at all? Trying to suggest that sex should only be for procreation is comorbid with the affliction of sexual shame in our culture, which is such a big factor in the very problems you allude to. Yes of course you can take it to a bad place, plenty of people do. But the fact that some people become obsessed with lust does not indicate that lust itself is negative. Far from it, it's one of the best parts of being human if you have a healthy relationship with it.

 

[Shrooms00087]

I think the view that lust is a sin is nonsense at best, and extremely harmful at worst (and, IMO, in reality). Lust is an urge built into animals, mammals anyway. There is nothing wrong with it, it serves an instinctual purpose but like all of our instincts, as intelligent, self-aware creatures we can experience it as more than that. I am really attracted to my girlfriend and we have sex exclusively for the pleasure of it and the closeness it facilitates (not trying to have any babies). Am I a sinner for this? Is she? Are we hurting anyone at all? Trying to suggest that sex should only be for procreation is comorbid with the affliction of sexual shame in our culture, which is such a big factor in the very problems you allude to. Yes of course you can take it to a bad place, plenty of people do. But the fact that some people become obsessed with lust does not indicate that lust itself is negative. Far from it, it's one of the best parts of being human if you have a healthy relationship with it.

Yes but I'm going to go OT on you here, the experience of having a sexual drive is the purpose of having children, not to have a cheap thrill that uses each other in their moment of weakness. You say it brings you closer but in reality we know that all humans are just walking, talking, robots with various drives and incentives mixed with layers of social conditioning. They call this the Tabula Rasa. Once you are with someone for your entire life you realize how similar you are and how little there is to talk about. Are you a sinner for this? Yes. Is she? Yes. Are we hurting anyone at all? No. Although the culture loves to pitch the idea of 'true love' to teach kids that fire is hot. That getting entangled with a person sexually can lead to resentment, jealousy, anger, violence, and all other petty emotions. The idea is to go ahead and let you make the mistake and grow out of it. You also have to take into account the how the word "Sin" came into existence before the Bible was even written. In Mesopotamia it was the moon Goddess and it had a good amount of symbolical meaning and connotation. A Sin is like a reflection, a way to view your faults. To be without Sin you have seen the reflection and avoided it, to be in Sin is to be unaware of the inherent flaws regarding the physics of God's Law shown through Nature. It isn't supposed to be insulting. Just as Hell is a place you go to when you Judge your own Sins and do nothing to change them it becomes a place of heat and torture. Again, this is why Christ went to Hell in the mythos, he had to shed himself of all his Sins, pride, vanity, etc, etc.

 

[Xorkoth]

I don't mean to be condescending (at all), but I truly feel bad for you if you think that the only result possible from answering a sexual drive is a "cheap thrill that uses each other in their moment of weakness". Sex can be a really wonderful facilitator of closeness and bonding. If two people are in love and the sex is coming from a healthy place (ie, not, for example, because someone is trying to fill a void), it's an amazing and beautiful thing. Hell, even casual encounters can be good experiences that bring positive results, it's just about the true energy behind it for both people. I mean, yes, getting entangled with a person sexually can cause all of those problems you mentioned, but it doesn't have to and for many people it leads to something wonderful that lasts a long time, or a lifetime. Even if it doesn't last, it can still have been a good thing while it lasted. It would be a damn shame for someone to close themselves off to sexual relationships because it might cause emotional turmoil. Even when it ends up a negative thing it can be a learning experience that you come out of stronger for having lived.

No part of myself suffers or judges myself for enjoying sex with my girlfriend, whom I love dearly. We've never had a fight after coming on 3 years, all of our interactions are great, we don't even live together on purpose because we each value our time outside the relationship. Even if it doesn't last forever, my life is better for having this experience. Romantic love between two people, when it's working, is one of the great joys of life. And sex is an integral part of that, not to mention a really enjoyable and primally satisfying thing. We're mammals, we have sexual urges, there's nothing wrong with enjoying it. I think that when religion demonizes sexual pleasure, it's doing a huge disservice to humanity and it causing a tremendous amount of repressed pain. The view that sex is "dirty" has given rise to a plethora of social and personal problems for people, a violent porn industry, body shame, feelings of self-disgust, etc. If our culture was built around seeing sex as a normal and great part of life, and we taught our children how to be healthy with it, think about how much of that would be better for people it afflicts? I'm lucky, I never got indoctrinated with the bullshit, and I thank the universe for that.

 

[Shrooms00087]

I don't mean to be condescending (at all), but I truly feel bad for you if you think that the only result possible from answering a sexual drive is a "cheap thrill that uses each other in their moment of weakness". Sex can be a really wonderful facilitator of closeness and bonding. If two people are in love and the sex is coming from a healthy place (ie, not, for example, because someone is trying to fill a void), it's an amazing and beautiful thing. Hell, even casual encounters can be good experiences that bring positive results, it's just about the true energy behind it for both people. I mean, yes, getting entangled with a person sexually can cause all of those problems you mentioned, but it doesn't have to and for many people it leads to something wonderful that lasts a long time, or a lifetime. Even if it doesn't last, it can still have been a good thing while it lasted. It would be a damn shame for someone to close themselves off to sexual relationships because it might cause emotional turmoil. Even when it ends up a negative thing it can be a learning experience that you come out of stronger for having lived.

No part of myself suffers or judges myself for enjoying sex with my girlfriend, whom I love dearly. We've never had a fight after coming on 3 years, all of our interactions are great, we don't even live together on purpose because we each value our time outside the relationship. Even if it doesn't last forever, my life is better for having this experience. Romantic love between two people, when it's working, is one of the great joys of life. And sex is an integral part of that, not to mention a really enjoyable and primally satisfying thing. We're mammals, we have sexual urges, there's nothing wrong with enjoying it. I think that when religion demonizes sexual pleasure, it's doing a huge disservice to humanity and it causing a tremendous amount of repressed pain. The view that sex is "dirty" has given rise to a plethora of social and personal problems for people, a violent porn industry, body shame, feelings of self-disgust, etc. If our culture was built around seeing sex as a normal and great part of life, and we taught our children how to be healthy with it, think about how much of that would be better for people it afflicts? I'm lucky, I never got indoctrinated with the bullshit, and I thank the universe for that.

I'm just giving you theological answers. All sex is void filling. What other activity reduces a grown man to suckling at a tit? Sex is a youth driven venture, everything about it, from becoming as a child when looking for potential mates (I want you to unconditionally love and pleasure me. I want you to be strong, defensive of me, I want you to coddle me when I'm unhappy) or literally only seeing attractive features as young, skinny/masculine, or the unconscious projection of those same elements (most of which I listed in the first statement). Also, if we're taking lessons from our animal counter-parts, they mostly do not use sex as a recreational activity nor do they see the value in it as being "healthy". Some of the ways humans have degraded themselves is coming up with all sorts of twisted sex acts to satisfy their lust. The way that road leads is you think about sex so often that only perversion arises as breathing new life into an old form. Now I don't care if you have sex, or how you go about getting it. I'm just describing the opposite side of the coin, this generation has been told to view it as healthy, while ancient civilizations viewed sex as a necessary means to an end, and relationships as two people struggling against the body of union (which is a depiction of the greater macrocosm). Anyone who thinks its healthy is well within their right to do so but "indoctrination" doesn't come up willy nilly without serious considerations. I personally masturbate to all sorts of things, have been laid (and loved it), have had homosexual relations (and appreciated it), but I acknowledge that lingering beneath the surface is a lesser trait of human interaction (and even gross outside of the 'heat of the moment'). I think all the world's religions who had thousands of years to contemplate and rework/interpret theological issues are worth MORE in their consideration than passing it off as mere "indoctrination".

 

[swilow]

Yes but I'm going to go OT on you here, the experience of having a sexual drive is the purpose of having children, not to have a cheap thrill that uses each other in their moment of weakness.

I cannot stand this idea. Life is very difficult, often brutal- there's very few in-built rewards to it, most of our learning comes from the stick. I really deplore the way some religions have turned one of the very few carrots into a sin. It is perverse and utterly ungodly IMO.

 

[Shrooms00087]

I cannot stand this idea. Life is very difficult, often brutal- there's very few in-built rewards to it, most of our learning comes from the stick. I really deplore the way some religions have turned one of the very few carrots into a sin. It is perverse and utterly ungodly IMO.

Meh this is like asking why are the consequences with sex. The consequences are usually a million fold worse than say, hiking. It would make sense to build a society that keeps to the doctrine. Lest we succumb to breeding more violence than we cure. This is why they're truly against abortion, you failed to understand the gravity of the effect, and don't want consequences. A society who has figured out how to rob Peter to pay Paul will be morally bankrupt. In terms of what is godly; theologians look to how life and nature "work" to derive laws. Scientists describe the same thing only without a sense of morality. One isn't better than the other but one is definitely harder to master of the body and in the society. *shrug*

 

[treezy z]

i've had 2 hoodrat hoes throw themselves at me the past 10 days, meanwhile i just joined a church full of 18-20 year old virgins... satan trying to drag me back

edit: and one was in the psych ward, bad spot to get a thot pregnant