Is E different than it used to be, or have I changed?

[Folley]

i'll be honest. whenever i see this 84% figure, i just roll my eyes...

I laugh at them. People are actually happily accepting cut MDMA now, and they still think it's pure 8)



MDMA HCL should be 100% pure, not 84%. You people perpetuating the myth that MDMA can only be 84% pure are just hurting yourselves. Dutch chemists now cut ALL their batches from 100% pure MDMA HCL to 84%, because you tards see it lab tested and still think it's the best shit ever even when the numbers are right in front of your face.

 

[Niggasbebuggin]

I laugh at them. People are actually happily accepting cut MDMA now, and they still think it's pure 8)



MDMA HCL should be 100% pure, not 84%. You people perpetuating the myth that MDMA can only be 84% pure are just hurting yourselves. Dutch chemists now cut ALL their batches from 100% pure MDMA HCL to 84%, because you tards see it lab tested and still think it's the best shit ever even when the numbers are right in front of your face.

Thats a very good point, maybe the quality has in fact changed hence the myth of purity only being 84%?

 

[Folley]

Well, the myth stems from the fact that about every pill or capsule you find will have MDMA-Hydrochloride (MDMA HCL) in it.

MDMA HCL is the most stable form of MDMA, as the free base of the drug is actually an oily liquid that's no so suited for consumption. Adding a salt like Hydrochloride causes the MDMA to bond to the HCL, creating a new stable crystal. In a sample of MDMA HCL, about 15% of it is actually made up of the salt, and the rest is MDMA.

Some people think this means that MDMA HCL can only be ~84% pure (impurities make up the other percentage btw), but that's simply not true. It means that only 84% of the sample is MDMA, but it is still 100% pure MDMA HCL which is what you want. Hydrochloride is not a cut, so the sample is still considered pure even though it's not technically 100% MDMA.


It would only even matter if you somehow got the other salt forms of MDMA, like MDMA Tartrate or MDMA Citrate that have different ratios of salt to MDMA.. but you will probably never see those as they are relatively unstable and absorb moisture, which MDMA HCL does not. Hydrochloride is an easier find for chemists as well, so it's really the only thing you're ever going to find.


There's a great thread on it from a while back if you care to search

 

[blauwlicht]

I would love to try some E pills today. I am sure that the chemical has not changed...just the preception of the drug and what users are looking to get out of the experience. I hear all the time people saying that they got great test results an only rolled for 2 hours.

back when I rolled we would take a pill at 10PM and come up 20-30 min later then roll hard until 3AM then a come down until 4-4:30AM then another half hour of tying to keep the roll alive by smoking weed and doing whippets. 5-6 hours from start to finish...I can't believe that people only roll for 2 hrs.

the drug has not changed just the perception of the drug. it will be interesting to see, if I ever get to try MDMA again, if my perception of the drug has changed after beong away from it for so long.

I started rolling recently, and all my experiences have been like your old ones 6-7 hours. a slow come down, and then an after party at home trying to keep it alive

 

[Innerpeace]

In my opinion: Much more to do with "loss of magic" and serotonin receptor down regulation than quality of tested, confirmed MDxx.

agreed 100% , so far this year 24 % of tested pills contain mdma/mde or mda. back in the ninties stuf was higher untill about 2002. its been worse in 2007 or 08 the percent was in the teens. Point- good stuff is hard to find and has to be tested.

Im like Matt and I assume we rolled around the same years 1999 and 2000. pills were much better than at least in mid east coast florida, two other places were complete bunk from what i felt, no mdma whatsoever. I got lucky and found a good source in Florida because there were no test kits then and I researched the stuff. I would say about 30-40% of the pills I got back then were bunch and all the mid east coast florida pills were good to go

I seemed to lose the magic after about 10 rolls after doing them way too much the first couple times (hindsight I would have spread every roll out by 3-4 months)

My first time lasted all night coming, peak for hours and a slow comedown. the next day i was spaced out and still traces of it I could feel the second time a few days later was amazing as well lasted forever

 

[Innerpeace]

actually people from late nineties would be early thirties, unless they did it at 17 or below.

defquon/partyflockers have been around a while

 

[Mr.MDxx]

most of the people in my day seemed to think that it was their job to make sure that other people were having more fun than they were. I know that is how I played it. I don't get that vibe from the people today.

People like you are the ones who have always brought a smile to my face at raves. I too am like that, mainly in home environments and not so much at raves though. I have always loved bringing smiles to my friends faces by making their roll better.

 

[Innerpeace]

agreed =) good to hear this from both of you.

 

[Sn0wday]

I laugh at them. People are actually happily accepting cut MDMA now, and they still think it's pure 8)



MDMA HCL should be 100% pure, not 84%. You people perpetuating the myth that MDMA can only be 84% pure are just hurting yourselves. Dutch chemists now cut ALL their batches from 100% pure MDMA HCL to 84%, because you tards see it lab tested and still think it's the best shit ever even when the numbers are right in front of your face.

can we be thankful people are confused on that note rather than shit like "stack" or "red pills=meth" haha...

 

[gratefulskot]

pure mdma allways gets me going. i've eaten x pills lately and do not get high off them. i think there just junk because it seems to me that one out of ten i do will be good. i believe there is just a bunch of junk going around these days. try some molly

 

[20max10]

Its probably just you, I've been taking MDMA just over a year and now I enjoy it much less than I used to. But I've been taking it far too often, hopefully I'll start to enjoy it again if I leave well alone for a while.

 

[futura2012]

MDMA HCL should be 100% pure, not 84%. You people perpetuating the myth that MDMA can only be 84% pure are just hurting yourselves. Dutch chemists now cut ALL their batches from 100% pure MDMA HCL to 84%, because you tards see it lab tested and still think it's the best shit ever even when the numbers are right in front of your face.

Ho ho this debate continues MDMA can only be 84% pure a myth it is not. 16% of the mass in the case of HCL is a hydrochloric acid molecule. The salt is 100% pure but the salt only contains 84% MDMA mass so it REALLY is only 84% pure. Just cause the pure version lives at room temperature as an oil and is un consumable it still forms a reference source.

I have never heard of an 84% cut. Wheres your source for this info?

Well, the myth stems from the fact that about every pill or capsule you find will have MDMA-Hydrochloride (MDMA HCL) in it.

Not every pill or capsule! You cannot be so sure

MDMA HCL is the most stable form of MDMA, as the free base of the drug is actually an oily liquid that's no so suited for consumption. Adding a salt like Hydrochloride causes the MDMA to bond to the HCL, creating a new stable crystal. In a sample of MDMA HCL, about 15% of it is actually made up of the salt, and the rest is MDMA.

Im not sure if its the most stable form. I think HCL is the most cavilier happy in terms of manufacture the least amount of hassle to make. 16% is the Hydrochloric Acid Molecule 84% is the MDMA molecule. The ionic bond of the two makes the salt.

Some people think this means that MDMA HCL can only be ~84% pure (impurities make up the other percentage btw), but that's simply not true. It means that only 84% of the sample is MDMA, but it is still 100% pure MDMA HCL which is what you want. Hydrochloride is not a cut, so the sample is still considered pure even though it's not technically 100% MDMA.

Its 100% pure MDMA hydrochloride salt but only 84% pure MDMA. MDMA Freebase is 100% pure MDMA the oily liquid you refer to.

It would only even matter if you somehow got the other salt forms of MDMA, like MDMA Tartrate or MDMA Citrate that have different ratios of salt to MDMA.. but you will probably never see those as they are relatively unstable and absorb moisture, which MDMA HCL does not. Hydrochloride is an easier find for chemists as well, so it's really the only thing you're ever going to find.

From what I read the reason for HCL is because its cavilier friendly ie you can be quite sloppy in your chemistry and still get good results. I wish there was more tests around for citrates, fumigates, tartrates etc as I think the HCL only theory might change if we really knew what we were taking.

I wish ecstasydata and streetworx tested for salts and isomers whilst there at it

 

[Folley]

I have never heard of an 84% cut. Wheres your source for this info?

I'm not allowed to show it lol It's straight from a Dutch chemist's mouth though. Well, fingers. Whatever.



a pure chemical means it has no cuts in it. MDMA-Hydrochloride should be 100% pure, always. That may only contain 84% MDMA by weight, but it is still 100% pure. That's the point that needs to be made, and the one that is most often confused.

 

[futura2012]

a pure chemical means it has no cuts in it. MDMA-Hydrochloride should be 100% pure, always. That may only contain 84% MDMA by weight, but it is still 100% pure. That's the point that needs to be made, and the one that is most often confused.

I do accept this point causes endless confusion. maybe a pictorial guide would help. Once grasped its a simple concept but my my it causes confusion for sure.

 

[alasdairm]

I'm not allowed to show it lol It's straight from a Dutch chemist's mouth though. Well, fingers. Whatever.

with respect, folley, you didn't say "a dutch chemist" you said "Dutch chemists" which is plural and means at least 2 chemists and implies, from the context and tone, many dutch chemists if not all dutch chemists. the comment seems like hyperbole to me (and to futura, it would appear).

That's the point that needs to be made, and the one that is most often confused.

indeed.

alasdair

 

[Niggasbebuggin]

Its probably just you, I've been taking MDMA just over a year and now I enjoy it much less than I used to. But I've been taking it far too often, hopefully I'll start to enjoy it again if I leave well alone for a while.

6-apb has potential to be a very good replacement for those who suffer a high tolerance. More on the MDA side of the spectrum to my understanding though. Little is known about it yet though, so I'd be on the safe side of things for now, hopefully I might find some later down the road for curiousity sake.