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searchnforcid

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Is DOC or DOI really hard to obtain through online vendors?: I have been searching for rc's for awhile now and have found many sites with many rcs but it seems almost impossible to find sources for DOC/DOI which are not scams. Is it possible to find and should i continue my search or are these chems to rare to find with conventional internet means such as google or other search methods?
 
No vendor discussion allowed, or how to obtain stuff. And yes, DOx chems have all but vanished from the market in the last two years. There was a batch of DOC going around recently, but it turned out to be a failed synth. Apparently a new batch is coming soon, but Im not getting my hopes up. :|
 
This is not true for my country. Both drugs could be obtained from RC shops. I don't know how it is now with availability but I can't understand how people were ready to pay X for 3mg blotters. Whoever was in charge of this "business" made/makes a lot of money...

The other thing I know it's possible to get lab grade DOC or DOI here. Of course that's not available for everyone. As a side note - it's funny how DOI is still legal here while 2C-I is illegal. =D

And your topic is really like "where could I get DOC or DOI?". I mean it by:

searchnforcid said:
should i continue my search or are these chems to rare to find with conventional internet means such as google or other search methods?
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"Other search methods" is like asking for direct instructions.
 
drugs said:
^Youre in poland, right? Didnt they recently ban all RCs there with blanket ban type legislation?

Edit: what I was referring to: http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=7869
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Not exactly. The actual law says they can take any substance that is being used recreationally off the shelves, however it doesn't actually ban any substances. They can effectively ban anything immediately now, but I don't think they've banned a single chemical yet as far as I know.

That's all I'm going to say on this topic as I think the OP's question was worded too close to vendor discussion.

In short though, everything is around, just gotta know where to look.
 
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This is not true for my country. Both drugs could be obtained from RC shops. I don't know how it is now with availability but I can't understand how people were ready to pay X for 3mg blotters. Whoever was in charge of this "business" made/makes a lot of money...

The other thing I know it's possible to get lab grade DOC or DOI here. Of course that's not available for everyone. As a side note - it's funny how DOI is still legal here while 2C-I is illegal. =D

And your topic is really like "where could I get DOC or DOI?". I mean it by:



"Other search methods" is like asking for direct instructions.
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I have already found like 15 legit websites but none with DOx's. I was askn because I could keep looking or just stay with the vendors I have found because they have everything besides DOx's and some other rare chemicals which are hard to obtain.
 
We dont do source discussion of any kind on BL. There are other places to do that.
 
Yes it is out there, but you'd have to be more specific about that to really get something out of the answer to such a question. Did you honestly think it might not be out there?
Perhaps you just haven't done much homework on the matter, look at the Big & Dandy threads about the seperate compounds and you will see people take them, have experiences with them.

If there is anything you would like to know about it that is actually useful information, either keep it to yourself if we don't allow related discussion or be more specific. :)

If something is 'out there' or not depends on geography (PCP for instance is virtually not found in Western Europe but it is in N-America, same for meth which is also more abundant in America. Regular racemic amphetamine seems to be more abundant in Europe, as is MDMA if I am correct).
Whether DOI and DOC are found in your neighborhood you could check by going to the BL continent forum of where you live and asking if people have much trouble getting it, claiming explicitly that you are not looking for it.

Basically everything that has 'hit the black/grey market' means that it is out there, for things that mainsteam vendors have no interest in so to speak, custom synthesis is possible for those who might want something special. At that point I'd say it depends on whether if someone is interested in investing a certain amount of money... some things are harder to make than other things. If a compound is discovered by a research group then it depends on whether there is someone who finds it worthwhile to have some made.

I'd say DOI and DOC have proven themselves well enough, they are two of the four main DOX's - some people just appreciate the DOX series and other people consider them a good acid substitute. That's where I will stop talking - perhaps I've said too much but IMO I stayed within bounds.
 
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regarding the failed synth - did people get their cash back 8o

(im not asking the vendor name etc)
 
drugs said:
^Youre in poland, right? Didnt they recently ban all RCs there with blanket ban type legislation?

Edit: what I was referring to: http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=7869
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No, you're referring to some affair that have taken place in Poland recently. There were a plague of "funshops" on the streets. After mephedrone got banned, they started to mix different piperazines and God only knows what more. There was a week when each day brought some new overdose from these things (called "dopalacze" in Polish, that'd be "boosters" in English, I've also come across "afterburners" in press but it sounds strange in this context). Eventually there were a few death cases connected with use of these. After that Sanepid (Sanitary-epidemiological station) with the help of police shut all those "funshops". That's all. Anyway, these drugs are now in black market. Well, at least no kid is going to overdose on it but I see those people who are on methadone program and sell their stuff - they use those things a lot and they look worse and worse. I've no idea what's the phenomenon of "dopalacze" as a gram of plain amphetamine or methamphetamine is cheaper...

The status of this fast scribbled act against "dopalacze" is unclear anyway. Shops must be closed but there is no statement which substances are banned. It only says "dopalacze" are banned and "dopalacze" are powders in colorful packs with unknown ingredients. Those "funshops" never sold any real research chemicals like DOC or DOI. I'm up to date with the anti-drug act and beside mephedrone landing in the list recently nothing else happened. So, e.g. 2C-I and DOB are banned but there isn't DOI or 2C-B on the list. No analog act exists in Poland, substances in the act are grouped in two groups in a weird way. I-N is for "intoxicating compounds" (it includes opioids, cocaine, various stimulants, and cannabis) and I-P stands for "psychotropic compounds" (and this includes psychedelics, some phenethylamines and tryptamines, MDMA and similar compounds, PCP and a few of its analogs). "Intoxicating" and "psychotropic" - it's so stupid... We really need a new act written by someone who really knows something about this.

More on those "boosters" (it's very important to inform people what they ingest IMO as there are very dangerous drugs with side effects that may be deadly, also reasons of death confirm that they might be directly connected to "boosters" use short before death, i.e. general cardiovascular failure was the main reason).

Confirmed compounds found in those powders are (combined, never one alone): BZP, TFMPP (those two are "core" for most), MBZP, MeOPP, pFPP, caffeine. Other possible may be: DBZP (generally any impurities from BZP and other piperazines synthesis), mCPP, pFBT (not confirmed but it's easy to get, almost as easy as mephedrone was when it was still legal).

During a short work something like practice in Sanepid in laboratory tests I've never found any phenyltropane drugs, popular stimulants like MDPV, Naphyrone etc., or psychedelics from phenethylamine and tryptamine family.
 
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