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is dmt a longer more intense version of salvia

IMO Salvia is a very educational drug in the way of showing you whats really there is just how your eyes interpret it, It has taught me alot although I can see myself that its not for everyone. The thing I Love about it is also the Wierd side, I have always been a fan of and i am an ex addict of the dissociative Ketamine, and would similarise it in the ''immersive and powerful'' Properties of large amounts of the chemical. Just thought id leave my two pence worth, Peace :)
 
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LysergicEpiphany said:
IMO Salvia is a very educational drug in the way of showing you whats really there is just how your eyes interpret it, It has taught me alot although i can see myself that its not for everyone. :)
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I agree. I have gotten very use to Salvia. Two hits off a tobacco pipe and I am in Salvia land. I do not need extracts. Since 1999, I have had about 50-60 sessions, all treated me very well and completely recentered me. Once I learned how to use it the territory becomes more loving and familiar. I usually thank the session as I'm coming back. I never had a bad one. Complete dark and quiet is the setting.

DMT is also wonderful. But I also had to ease myself into that territory. Breakthroughs are important but I also feel lower amounts, where one foot is in and one foot out, are VERY useful and can help someone not feel such terror before going in, just like Salvia. I can break through on 25-30 mgs. 8-20 mgs are beautiful sub breakthrough experiences that are very helpful. Like Salvia, I also thank the sessions as I come back. Some candle light is the setting, a low lit room.

Both are very powerful, beautiful, and great allies. I also feel they are holographic, meaning in smaller doses the whole experience is there to peak into without getting overwhelmed. Sort of like when we were young and easing ourselves into the ocean water. We rode the smaller waves first. By all means breakthrough in the beginning to see, then go small and get use to it.
 
Xtc <3 said:
I thought salvia was technically an opiod due to its effect on the kappa opiod receptor?

I am probably wrong here though, anyone know for sure?
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The classifications "opioid" and "dissociative" are behavioural definitions, not pharmacological ones. Although, you might sometimes hear salvia referred to as an "atypical" dissociative.
 
Salvia is no serotonergic psychedelic that's sure, but it doesn't do people justice saying Salvia is akin to Ketamine and DXM. Salvia is NOT an NMDA blocker, it doesn't mess with your glutamate ushering in neural toxicity and lasting behavioral consequence... Ketamine and DXM do (at least in some people). That's not to say kappa-opioid agonists aren't vastly underinvestigated and not potentially neurotoxic in their own rights, although my bet is they aren't. Anyway, they're totally different from NMDA antagonists neurochemically.
Behaviorally, you ever see somebody walk on a high dose of Ketamine or even begin to utter something unintelligibly? It wouldn't have been used as a clinical anaesthetic if that was possible, right? Subjectively, I can see how it may dub atypical psychedelic rather than dissociative.
Not that there isn't a certain degree of similarity after all but Salvia just doesn't seem to qualify as a dissociative the way Ketamine, PCP etc do. I believe it ought to be recognized as a substance of its own class of hallucinogens, neither psychedelic nor dissociative. Just my two cents, and by the way I've only ever done Salvia of the said substances, never once a dissociative anaesthetic nor DMT, so that mostly is my speculations anyway.
 
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drewmandan said:
The classifications "opioid" and "dissociative" are behavioural definitions, not pharmacological ones. Although, you might sometimes hear salvia referred to as an "atypical" dissociative.
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Opioid is a pharmacological definition. It means interaction with the opioid receptors. Analgesic would describe opioid's pain killing properties as dissociative would describe a splitting of body and mind.

I believe salvia's effect on the opioid system is the opposite of pain killers inducing pain and anxiety rather than relieving them. I found it to feel like mild withdrawal and never went deep enough to experience anything like my dmt trips.
 
Salvia Laaand!

drewmandan said:
The classifications "opioid" and "dissociative" are behavioural definitions, not pharmacological ones. Although, you might sometimes hear salvia referred to as an "atypical" dissociative.
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iskandar said:
Salvia is no serotonergic psychedelic that's sure, but it doesn't do people justice saying Salvia is akin to Ketamine and DXM. Salvia is NOT an NMDA blocker, it doesn't mess with your glutamate ushering in neural toxicity and lasting behavioral consequence... Ketamine and DXM do (at least in some people). That's not to say kappa-opioid agonists aren't vastly underinvestigated and not potentially neurotoxic in their own rights, although my bet is they aren't. Anyway, they're totally different from NMDA antagonists neurochemically.
Behaviorally, you ever see somebody walk on a high dose of Ketamine or even begin to utter something unintelligibly? It wouldn't have been used as a clinical anaesthetic if that was possible, right? Subjectively, I can see how it may dub atypical psychedelic rather than dissociative.
Not that there isn't a certain degree of similarity after all but Salvia just doesn't seem to qualify as a dissociative the way Ketamine, PCP etc do. I believe it ought to be recognized as a substance of its own class of hallucinogens, neither psychedelic nor dissociative. Just my two cents, and by the way I've only ever done Salvia of the said substances, never once a dissociative anaesthetic nor DMT, so that mostly is my speculations anyway.
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I beleive the term 'Atypical Dissocative' fits Salvia aswell, it takes me away from my enviroment and the people I am with just as Ketamine does, or am I using the term Dissociative too loosely in that sense [See Dissociation Ect.] Anything that blocks out something that is there and creates something completely new is a dissociative in my eyes, and being interrupted whilst visiting sally is more than annoying, maybe even scary at points ):
 
Salvia for me had an incredibly horrible bodyload, like 10 tons of bricks pushing me in different directions whilst being poked by a thousand red hot needles allover my body.

Not nice.
 
Salvia and DMT probably have the same sort of 'intensity and duration', but for someone to say 'DMT is A longer more intense version of Salvia' is just like saying 'Acid is A longer more intense version of Mushrooms' [By dose of course].
 
no, nothing like salvia at all.

salvia can be a super rough ride at times, to say the least.

dmt trips are so much nicer. the body high, the visuals, the thought patterns and intricate workings of it's magic
 
dmt is shorter and less intense... more beautiful and pleasurable though. I'm speaking of break-throughs for both materials.
 
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