is dealing drugs really that dangerous

[papermate]

: inspired by conversation started the other dayfocuse on ecstasy - not other drugs.

i know that well all know that there is no doubt that if you either selling drugs in clubs on a small amount, ie pills or speed or whether you are driving an 18 wheeler into sydney with 200kg of `suger` - there are penalites.
as well all know there is a huge amount of media hype, especially regarding ecstasy in my opinion lately and the drugs siezures that have been made. and more likely than not there are huge amount of resources spent on focusing on those people at the top who manufactor and distribute on a large scale.

with this in mind, are the police and undercover cops really going around as much, and with as much gusto as before trying to catch the dude who has anywhere from 10 - 100 pills in his pocket at a club or so forth. or what would an undercover do if they saw you drop ONE pill.

its becomin￾@so much more common place. i think in the last 2 years it has exploded to all social areas and age groups.

so do the cops really care that much, or is it just my point of view that i have developed over a length of time that its ok, as long as you think about moderation and harm minimisation. i just seem to feel that there are more sports stars, and even celebrities that get caught, and they are making comments saying that people would have to be niave to think that people dont take drugs these days.

 

[XSI11V]

pity there's no emoticon where he shakes his head in disbelief

 

[Bent]

Is sticking your head in an oven, if its only on low really that dangerous? Is jumping off a 50 foot cliff not really that dangerous, in comparison to a 100 foot cliff?

Having seen the result of a relatively "small" bust on someone I knew....bloody oath dealing drugs is dangerous, regardless of the level of involvement - and not necessarily just in terms of the legal penalties.

 

[nc.]

If you are dealing smaller quantities you'll usualy be busted by chance. By an undercover at an event / club or a policeman doing patrols in an area. You really don't have people chasing you if you are dealing small. Unless they believe through you they can get to a big person, but in terms of 10-100 pills offcourse it's not safe but by no means are they going to put a task force on you.

 

[goatyoghurt]

Personally, I don't think it's worth the risk of getting busted for dealing small time i.e. 10-100 pills. People who sell in small amounts have to perform more transactions to make their money, not to mention the fact that some of these transacitions will occur in a public place, for example a club so the chance of getting caught improves greatly, and the payoff isn't that good I imagine. Basically it's Risk vs. Reward and I think the risk is too great and its not worth it.

 

[nc.]

Offcourse it varies from situation to situation. If you are dealing to young people (16-21) for example the chance of getting busted by an undercover is greatly lowered. While you say alot more transactions need to be made it all depends on what price you are getting them for. If you don't get greedy you can earn a small amount of pocket money without having great risks. However nothing is full proof.

 

[phase_dancer]

Dealing illicit drugs will always be dangerous

...but in terms of 10-100 pills offcourse it's not safe but by no means are they going to put a task force on you.

Perhaps not normally, but what do you think would happen if you gave a really *good* clean MDMA pill to a friend, only to find out later that person had a heart problem and died while exerting him or herself. This is not that uncommon and if MDMA was found in his body you can betcha questions would be asked.

So cops have to look at dealing as a serious crime even when there's only small amounts involved. Disregarding profits, an exception may be small amounts of weed but as for chems, there's just too much room for disaster.

 

[TranceNation]

This conversation is so opionionated!!

Sorry just wanted to give my 2 cents. How desperate are you for money if you have to sell small amounts of drugs in clubs etc to get by. I personally think its stupid for people to be dealing in clubs , with the amount of undercover cops , security gaurds , cameras etc, its not hard to get caught, and if you do get busted and have to go to court etc was it really worth the couple of hundred $$$ that you made, and now have probably been taken off you. Ive seen many dealers at subbies get fucked on before because of course they probebly have their own dealers there. Not to mention some of these places people are dealing at, there are often a 1000 other people dealing and if you cross someone over you might even bashed etc, seen it happen before.

I personally dont like dealers one bit but I guess there has to be some way we get chemicals from over seas to here!
If that makes any sense

 

[Jokerswild]

To a police officer the small time player is the first step in finding the importer or manufacturer.

 

[nc.]

I agree dealing in clubs is retarded but I guess someone has to do it.

 

[MOTOMAN]

Like Jokerswild said, the cops just have to find the small guys and work their way up. The little guys wont even know they are getting tracked, and most of the time wont get touched. It's the big boys and ones just below them dealing the thousands each time that they are after.

Just my view on the situation anyway.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

8( if you get caught with pills, especially more than 5 your probably going to need a lawyer, which costs money. there is added anxiety when you have it hanging over your head for many months because of the speed of the legal system. think things through before you decide the 100 pills in your pocket is a minimal amount.

 

[goatyoghurt]

^^^^^

Very good point.

 

[Morrison's Lament]

The clubs I went to in England had VERY tight controls on who could deal there, and the bouncers and security showed no mercy in taking people aside and checking how many pills they had. If you had unusual quantities, or a lot of cash, you're in trouble unless you're paying kickbacks to the owners.

Basically it's never worth it with small quantities. In certain countries there are maximum penalties set at strange levels, meaning certain drugs in certain amounts can bring a lot more cash and a lot lower penalties than you'd generally be dealing with.

I'm not sure why I just said that, but it's a fact

--- G.

 

[goatyoghurt]

I think the bottom line here is, dealing is a very easy way to get in trouble, so don't bother.

 

[eddi spgeddi]

as a "end user" in the market, what do you think is the likelihood of me getting busted "in the act of buying a couple of pills." i'd say pretty slim really, as long as i'm carefull. i doubt police pose as small time dealers. so the end user is a little safe from prosecution.
the dealer himself is more the target. and i reakon theyre not so discrimintary about who they collar and at what level... just get them conviction points up, the appraisals coming up and you want that promotion.
also i reakon the average plod would have to luck in on a bust.

 

[Mr Giggles]

How long do you want to go to jail for? ;-)

 

[BigTrancer]

Another point worth thinking about is that if you sell pills, even only 1 at a time, to the same undercover policeman within a short period of time (I think it's a week, but I can't remember) then that can constitute commercial supply. I can't remember the details fully... oh bugger it I'll look it up.

DRUG MISUSE AND TRAFFICKING ACT 1985 - SECT 25A

Offence of supplying prohibited drugs on an ongoing basis

25A Offence of supplying prohibited drugs on an ongoing basis

(1) Offence provision: A person who, on 3 or more separate occasions during any period of 30 consecutive days, supplies a prohibited drug (other than cannabis) for financial or material reward is guilty of an offence.

Maximum penalty: 3,500 penalty units or imprisonment for 20 years, or both.

(2) Same prohibited drug not necessary: A person is liable to be convicted of an offence under this section whether or not the same prohibited drug is supplied on each of the occasions relied on as evidence of commission of the offence.

That says they only have to make 3 separate buys from you in a month, and the quanitity is irrelevant.

By the way - supply of drugs is an indictable offense, and supply of drugs to a person under 16 years of age, where it can be shown that the dealer was aware of the person's age, carries further penalties as far as I can tell.

So yeah, it all depends on whether you count 20 years in the slammer as dangerous...

BigTrancer

 

[Leprechaun]

"financial or material reward "


I wonder what would constitute that fact. Quite ambigous really. If you sell at the same price you buy that would not quanitify financial or material reward.



Good work on the find BT!

 

[Runner]

Firstly, selling drugs IS DANGEROUS.

Secondly, to be a devil's advocate, an interesting point:

let's take into account very small-time dealers that perhaps get 10 pills at a time and then sell to friends etc. and make minimal profit or even resel single pills etc. I am sure most of the people here have done this on at least one occasion in their life time.

Now let's divide the number of people in the country that have actually being done for small time dealing by the number of people that do it but haven't been done and multiply by 100.

The percentage will be VERY low

Note, that this is only taking into account small time dealing.