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is dealing drugs really that dangerous

Most people get into dealing by supplying their mates, and most of them think its pretty harmless i guess. The thing is after a while you end up supplying mates of mates, and so on and so forth until you one day find yourself spending all of your evenings and weekends driving to various peoples houses dropping shit off, carrying huge wads of cash or big bags pills. And because it all started so innocently, you never really considered the fact that youre a much bigger fish than you think you are.

The point is, its very easy to move up the chain. Some people seem to get into dealing with the idea that if they get caught they can just say sorry and it will all go away. In reality, the longer you do it, the easier it is for you to slip up. The cops are the least of your worries, if you fuck up the people you do business with will probably kill you.
 
when u talk about how dangerous drug dealing is... most people think of the legal implications...
is dealer rivalry _THAT_ big of a concern?
(thats not a rhetoric - im seriously asking)
 
I seem to have more than my share of stories relevant to this subject, however dexter_stayne's last question reminded me off an unusual situation which occurred some years ago. It had both humorous (black) and serious outcomes, and shows how *ownership* of a market can have incredible consequences for anyone intentionally or otherwise, who interferes with turnover rate.

Firstly I do not live in the city where dealers' domains are known to be well established and tightly retained. I live on the coast where people come and go, dealers being like retailers; most are here today and gone tomorrow. Of the long termers I've been told of, these usually only deal with small groups of people, usually close friends. Supplying the masses is not their wish and so there is little desire in even knowing what others do, let alone dealing with the extra uncertainties from contact with new people.

But as said, this is very different in other areas. This story has to do with a large event I once helped stage. Some weeks into planning we were approached by a guy none of us had ever met, who said he could organise (in other words monopolize) whatever and could ensure no-one else did anything etc. He also suggested other ways in which we could ensure adequate tickets sales. We quickly told him we were not interested, and that compliance to the law was paramount for us as we were doing it all legally with a permit etc and expected a large police presence (which we got). He went on big noting, story telling etc. until finally leaving. We couldn't believe the audacity of such a proposal, but later realised that this was not that uncommon for the scene at the time.

He ended up coming to the event anyway, which effectively caused his problem. Leading up to his proposal rejection from us he must have told all the big wigs, as it later appeared quite a few accompanied him to the event. I hardly took notice of his crew during the event as things were so busy, but they all looked merry. They stayed till near the end and went home. Next day in the paper we read how this guy's place was broken into and he was threatened by gun wielding hoods. A neighbor had called the police and ultimately the guy got busted big time. What we heard later was that the guy had pissed off the big boss by taking all his dealers out of town for the weekend and therefore fucking up his expected turnover.

The moral of the story is; the closer you get to the source of a big operation, whether involved in business or not, personal decisions involving other cohorts can greatly affect your wellbeing.
 
The problem is not so muc dealer rivalry as it is the relationship between a dealer and his supplier. When large quantities are invloved, alot of peopl get their stuff on credit on the understanding that it will be paid for next week when the product has been moved and the funds have been generated to pay for it. While this is a convenient arangement, it can get you into a lot of trouble quickly. If you lose the drugs or the money, get mugged or robbed, the guy you bought it off isnt going to care. He's going to want his money, and he's going to want it in a hurry. And if you cant sell enuff to pay for it, some dealers wont even take back what you havent sold, and theyll STILL want their money. Its a fast way to end up with broken legs or dead and tossed in dumpster somewhere.
 
robbierollie. i agree. I think that those of us who have been in the scene for a while know how ridiculously easy it is to move up the food chain. There is a similar discussion going on some where else, but i have forgotten the thread. i would have to agree on your point about the issue being dealer - vs - supplier rather than dealer - dealer issues.

Phasedancer, like otheres, you have my condolences.

To ask a very vague question: How many/ r who runs Sydney? I'm assuming there are differen parts that are ''divided'' and so forth. The sydney cdb really isnt that big, potentially how many ''big time'' dealers would be in this vicinity? I assuming that the ''areas'' would revolve around clubs. yes/no?

I understand that this is a very delicate question and obviously no specifics are expected, but any general information would be interesting.
 
Division in sydney is less about geography and more about race. Sad as it is to say, the majority of organised crime in sydney is run by the triads and the tongs. At street level they hardly bother since most stuff at that level is controlled by gangs, but most gangs are either backed by or fronts for a larger organisation that wants to keep a low profile. Years back there was a gang called 5T based in cabramatta that run just about everything south of the paramatta river, they had strong connections with one of the 3 triads in sydney. AFAIK they mostly fell apart a few years ago when things went sour between the 2 groups.

But i digress. To answer your question simply, any organised dealing that occurs in any given club or area is mostly connected to the ethnic background of the punter that frequent them.
 
goatyoghurt said:
Personally, I don't think it's worth the risk of getting busted for dealing small time i.e. 10-100 pills. People who sell in small amounts have to perform more transactions to make their money, not to mention the fact that some of these transacitions will occur in a public place, for example a club so the chance of getting caught improves greatly, and the payoff isn't that good I imagine. Basically it's Risk vs. Reward and I think the risk is too great and its not worth it.
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exactly how I view it
risk:reward
 
I'll make a note of this.

My house was raided late last year, as the believed me to be in possession of a large quantity of 'speed and ecstacy tablet' as the search warrent said..

that said ,they didnt find anything bar some empty baggies - 8 men and a mornings job a waste. all because they were morons and decided to drop by the day before 'incognito'.... lol. Get your game up idiots.

They arn't all that smart - and in reality - i got the one up on them, and luckily i have no charges of any kind for anything.

:p coppers.

It's dangerous no matter how many pills you have - humans are like dogs. If someone doesnt like what your doing, they will try to fuck it up for you. without a doubt.
 
zaineaol.nu said:
They arn't all that smart - and in reality - i got the one up on them, and luckily i have no charges of any kind for anything.
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The active word here is "luckily". You got very lucky - that one time. I wouldn't be relying on police error to keep me safe, personally.

Folks, please remember that Bluelight is not here to help you break the law. If there are any "how to" posts made in this old thread, I'll be closing it. Thanks! :)
 
Bent said:
Is sticking your head in an oven, if its only on low really that dangerous? Is jumping off a 50 foot cliff not really that dangerous, in comparison to a 100 foot cliff?

Having seen the result of a relatively "small" bust on someone I knew....bloody oath dealing drugs is dangerous, regardless of the level of involvement - and not necessarily just in terms of the legal penalties.
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50 foot equals 15m... storey equals 2.8m in QLD... so you're lookin at 5-6 storeys... I would say the effects would be quite detrimental and the same result of the 30m fall!

As for dealing drugs... I'll let the other guy do that!!!

SpecTBK=D
 
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Dealing drugs is definitely a dangerous activity, for so many reasons...

To answer the question posed about how many ecstasy users "deal" - here is the text from a newspaper article from November 2005 (cant find a link on BL so may not have been posted up at the time)

Ecstasy warning (2005, 7 November). Herald Sun, p. 18.

MANY ecstasy users are risking jail by buying the drug in bulk for themselves and their friends, researchers say.

A study by the government-funded national Party Drugs Initiative showed that when users bought ecstasy, 77 per cent also bought pills for other people.

The average number bought at a time was five, but a third of users bought more than 10, and some up to 100.

"Ecstasy is an illegal drug and if you get caught it does not take much to have your charge lifted from possession to supply," said Louisa Degenhardt, from the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre.

[article ends]

The Victoria Legal Aid website provides information about drugs and the law. It notes that “even selling to a friend could be trafficking”. A trafficable amount of ecstasy in Victoria is 3 grams (no matter what the purity is) – this equals about 12 pills assuming 250mg per pill (as estimated in Bluelight, range from 180 to 300 mg). A significant proportion of the PDI sample are trafficking by this definition.

so what this means is: from data collected in mid 2005 from around 800 ecstasy users Australia wide, about one third are "trafficking" pills by Victorian definitions. Most likely they are mostly small time dealers (eg less than 100 pills). However the law won't see it that way.

It is one of those behaviours that, although widespread, still poses significant risks and penalties.
 
aunty establishment said:
The active word here is "luckily". You got very lucky - that one time. I wouldn't be relying on police error to keep me safe, personally.

Folks, please remember that Bluelight is not here to help you break the law. If there are any "how to" posts made in this old thread, I'll be closing it. Thanks! :)
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Lucky yes... Not once did i ever expect to get raided.. it was a stroke of luck that i saw the sign and acted upon it.

You think i'd ever leave it down to chance again - something like that is a lesson. well a blessing.
 
Most dealers come unstuck because they get greedy, its a hard thing to keep it all low key and only among people you know personally. The greed to earn more and more quickly means you hardly know people you are dealing to. There is no doubt its a dangerous game, and the longer you stay in the game, the more likely you are to go down.
 
hoptis said:
Thanks for posting that Tronica. :)
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You're welcome!

It was the first time the question was asked in 2005 (do you buy for yourself or yourself and others?) - and hardly surprised me that most people buy for more than just themselves. Once you get above 10 pills, the risks become much more scary!! And I don't know if everyone really understands this... I didn't realise how low the trafficking amounts were til I checked them myself!
 
I can remember a friend of a friend having a knife put to his throat by maori's in the toilets of a well know club in sydney,They took the last of his pills which was 10 or so but didnt get the money he had hidden in his shoes. They only punched him in the head a couple times so he wasnt hurt that bad anyways

Then they ran off .....

Anyways later that morning this guy was walking with his friends in the city about to get lunch and guess who he see's walking down a laneway ...

one of the kiwis... so the bloke ran to his car got out a crowbar .. and well let your imagination figure out the rest .....

Its not a safe job being a dealer at all..... and or a dealer who rolls other dealers...
 
rolling or dobbing in a dealer is playing with fire, because it's a small world and it might just be your unlucky day you bump into them, especially if if you have dobbed in a dealer, you can expect a serious beat down. To be honest it's just as dangerous being a consumer as it is the supplier! what im getting at is the drug scene as a whole is a dangerous game.
 
Come to my club and deal......... there's nothing more fun than finding a "chipper" with 30 pills and a few hundred bucks cash. the security guards "confiscate" the drugs and the money for good measure and send you out the back door and we all have a party sunday morning and come down in the beer garden with the beers you'll have bought us.

what are you going to do? report us to the cops.......... then we inform the other club security guards that you are a chipper and when you try it at that club the same treatment.

So, the choice is yours. Fucked by the cops. Or fucked by my security and every other venue in the city.
 
Is dealing drugs dangerous?

Is driving a car dangerous?? Depends where your driving and what your driving.

Just as for drugs, what you deal, where you deal.

The dangers differ on the foodchain. Bottom guys gotta worry about gettin beat up and jacked, burglarised or some other petty situation, I mean murdered too, but not nearly as often.

The guys up the foodchain usually murder becomes more the norm consequence and gettin beat up is unheard of. But are they more likely to have bad consequences than somone down the foodchain? no. because the higher you go, the more sophistacted the players become and the more organized they become and this reduces disputes.

UNTIL, and thats a big UNTIL, two organizations collide in a battle of brute death squad force and DEA informant swindlin tactics.

personally id feel safer up the chain, if not just for the goons you puppeteer, then the fact your ballin a better reward for your risks
 
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