Cocaine Is coke addictive because its so average?

[moonyham]

I'm trying to look within and figure out why I like coke. I don't like stimulants in general - have dabbled and done meth and all your classic pharmaceutical ones but nothing regularly. I find coke is way more difficult to not regularly consume compared to the other stimulants I've done but in my opinion - it is the lesser of all the stimulants. A step up from coffee essentially. I don't get crazy euphoria, I don't get crazy energy - I just feel a bit better, increased mood, more social etc. Its just dialing up the knob a couple of clicks. And I don't really feel bad the next day. To me this is the draw - the fact its actually not that powerful or 'good' compared to other stimulants. Meth is way more 'fun' but it lasts so long, has such a big crash, and you are properly high and 'not thinking strait'. Sure my decision making skills on harder drugs like that is not terrible but I've never done anything risky or stupid on coke whereas I have on meth. I find with stuff like ritalin, adderral - if I take lower doses I feel close to nothing, if I take higher doses I get jittery and sweat, life becomes more difficult not easier - becomes more like meth than anything. But coke in any dose - whether just a line in the morning to start the day or doing a gram or two throughout the night while playing games and general internet shit is good either way.

Anyway, I must say out of all the drugs I've regularly consumed - coke seems to be the most.. 'reasonable'? I found doing it multiple days in a row to be a bit exhausting so I dont do that anymore, at least 2-3 days between usage, but yeah I kinda hate that its such a good drug in this regard because its not really sustainable(price wise, damage to nose/health) long term. Its also(in my country) not as consistent in quality or availability(mostly availability) so having a permanent/long term relationship with it isn't very feasible.

My questions and reason for this post are:

Are there any drugs kinda like coke? Short acting, with not crazy amounts of euphoria or physical load? Anything new been discovered?

And, what is the best way to reduce nose damage for someone using a couple times a week? At first my snot would get a little bit red with blood after every night of usage. I had about a month break and then I had a tiny amount of red in my snot at the end of a night but not much, and then since then(maybe a month since that?) I haven't had any blood in any snot even after a heavy night? I question if my nose has 'hardened' or the soft part that was being damaged has completely broken down or scarred so it no longer bleeds? But I don't know..

Also is it my imagination or is any level of humidity/dampness in your coke greatly increase irritation? I met someone that microwaves their coke(on a plate) for 10 seconds a couple of times. They said it helps dry it out and makes it easier to snort etc. Researching that gave minimal information - besides saying that it should be fine and the temps to damage coke wouldn't happen in this kind of microwaving situation. I started doing that and since then my nose has felt far less irritated. It doesn't close up and get clogged after 5-10 lines. But I was lazy the other night and had my plate sitting out for a couple of hours, and didn't dry it. After that kinda clumpy but still powdery line my nose instantly closed up and couldn't do any more lines? Just a coincidence or is this really whats happening? I live in a very humid environment, sits around 50-70% at all times so stuff like coke out on a plate absorbs a little water pretty quick and goes from crunchy(like crushing salt almost, but not quite that hard) to 'soft' and clumpy without the crunch when using a card etc.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Why is Cocaine more habit forming for you over other stimulants?

Theres a concept in pharmacology called 'reinforcement'. A drug is reinforcing if it makes you want to do it again. Notice that this definition includes more then how good a drug feels. Another variable is how fast the drug begins to work and how long it lasts.

Cocaine excels here. Not only is it very euphoric but it rapidly exerts an effect that doesn't last long.

In experimental models, animals are more likely to use a drug till it kills them if that drug has a very short but intense duration.

Is there anything similar to cocaine but more mild?

Methylphenidate is very close to cocaine in the sense that it's a short acting monoamine reuptake inhibitor while also still being readily available.

How can nose damage from snorting be reduced?

Make a habit out of using a saline nasal spray during binges and afterwards. There's no way of totally reducing nasal damage- snorting large quantities of dry, abrasive powder is damaging no matter what you do.

Does moisture / humidity make cocaine more irritating, and does drying it help?

It depends on the context. Cocaine HCL is mildy hydroscopic meaning it sequesters moisture from the air. In this context, cocaine can be hard to grind into a fine powder because the moisture makes it form larger particles. One of the variables involved in his irritating a drug is to snort is particle size. The finer/smaller, the better. So yeah, the dryer your material the better.

 

[KriptonitXxx]

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[danosaurous22]

It's not really like other stimulants. It gives you a very specific and short lived feeling that can't really be replicated. Once you begin to realize the exact type of euphoria/rush it provides and find an ROA that tickles your fancy, it just becomes an obsession because it gives you that specific feeling on demand and you sober up rather quickly. This makes it much more torturous than a lot of drugs because you will just hurt yourself and your brain trying to chase the first high of the day, but the fleeting nature of the sensation makes it into a totally different type of drug than other stimulants. I can binge super hard on it and then once I run out, I'm basically back to normal (still a little fucked up and tired, obviously, but not spun out or insane) and can just go about my life until I get more. Other drugs have much worse hangovers or can knock you out or spin you out for a very very long time, so coke is weirdly functional on paper. But that craving is so intense that it will fuck you up in totally different ways and might even be worse than other drugs because of how much it takes over your brain and makes you obsess over it.

For me, I don't think I would've become such a hardcore addict if I wasn't able to basically get as much as I want in the early stages. I had a ton of extra money so I was able to basically have an endless supply, and once you teach your brain that it can have as much coke as it wants you really get locked into it and you will obsess over it whether you have it or don't. I've heard a lot of people claim it's overrated, or not even that great of a high, but that's because they haven't really indulged in it yet. If you get accustomed to that feeling, isolate it in your sessions, and start to just seek it out whenever you can, you're just locked into it and there isn't really a suitable replacement. It's not about making you more functional, it's not about balancing out your mood or making you more focused, it is exclusively about wanting to get completely wacked out without a single care in the world other than keeping that feeling going. It's total escapism and when you're binging hard, it's really all you're thinking about. No cleaning the house or hyper fixating on some weird task, just only thinking about coke and doing coke until it's gone. That's a powerful escape if you're someone who is kind of sick of their life. You get to exit society and life for as long as you can afford it and then re enter society a couple hours after your binge is done, albeit crankily and irritably and perhaps psychotically. It give you the power to run away from your problems completely and on demand, but it is impossible to control your usage and money is usually the only thing that prevents people from doing it constantly until they die. And if your job is very physically and mentally taxing, it actually makes you somewhat better at it. Not just because of the stimulant side of it, but IMO because every day life just seems easy and rote when you only care about coke. You just get everything done as quickly and efficiently as possible so that you can go home and do more coke, and the carelessness it instills in you is often mistaken by others for confidence and competency. It can give you a leg up not just because it gives you more energy but also because you start to see the world as a series of tasks you must complete in order to do more drugs. That's a big part of its prevalence in industry I think, everybody has the potential to get hooked and those that get hooked become more ruthless and efficient because it just does that to your personality. Nothing is as important as coke, so you don't get in your head about stuff as much. Terrible for relationships though and like I said it is impossible to control your usage once you become accustomed to having it on a regular basis (mostly mean weekends, using it every day just seems impossible to me unless you're a celebrity or elite. Even then I'm very curious just how many high rollers and powerful people are prisoners to coke. It's got to be a majority IMO).

It's a specific kind of high too that might seem underwhelming, but is very special, It gets you very loopy and weird in a way that makes every session feel like a novel experience even though you're just wasting away and killing yourself. It makes you have bizarre thoughts and changes your personality in a very strange way that a lot of users find exciting, IMO. You just have a different air about you, you're not laser focused or robot like instead you're almost like a primitive man who hasn't been socialized or educated in the ways of the modern world. You just do whatever the fuck you want and every single thing you think of or do or say feels like it's the most important thing you've ever done. It's a weird fucking drug. Plus there are so many ROAs that all have totally different effects. Crack, IV, boofing, snorting all are like totally different drugs and all have their place. All have a similar euphoria, but as you get into the more bioavailable ones like boofing or crack it becomes a very very intense body high that just feels ridiculously good and scrambles your brain up. Lots of people only snort it and never realize just how powerful the rush can be if you're able to do a huge dose in one go, not limited by how much powder you can burn your nose with.

 

[danosaurous22]

I need to find the actual study but I read an article that said apes given the choice between food and a button that releases cocaine (but requires an additional press of the button every time it's administered, so eventually it takes hundreds or thousands of presses to get the coke and that's assuming they go for the coke instead of food) were eventually starving themselves, pressing the button all day long thousands of times. That gives some insight into just how powerful it's high is, and how much it dwarfs all other experiences. It's no wonder humans will value it more than money or wellbeing, it is simply a way to work around having to work or fit in to feel good and feel satisfied. If you're sort of fed up with your life, it will give you a reason to keep living and keep up appearances. But it will eventually destroy your life and your appearance in society. The tragedy of that is also something that makes it so popular, it's a very romantic drug that has a very complex reputation as a blessing and a curse so in my experience I end up craving the intensity it brings to my life, the weird situations it puts you in and the way it just completely overpowers you.

 

[paranoid android]

IV coke is anything but average. Thats addictive because of its insane rush and very short duration

please dont do coke ffs shit made me seize up so hard a few times

 

[danosaurous22]

I know this is fucked up but for whatever reason I ordered needles the other day despite having never tried IVing anything. I had just bought a lot of coke and drunkenly contemplated trying to shoot it.

I need to just throw them out as soon as they arrive. I get especially scared about medical stuff like thinking I have infections or thinking there's something more serious wrong with me than there actually is and I know IV would just be the end of me. I keep feeling myself slowly pulled towards that ROA just because I'm a go big or go home guy but I appreciate all of the advice here against ever even attempting to inject anything. It is tempting since I know it would be just total oblivion and it would mean going as far out as humanly possible in terms of drug experiences but life is not a game and I should not play with it like it's something worthless.

 

[paranoid android]

I know this is fucked up but for whatever reason I ordered needles the other day despite having never tried IVing anything. I had just bought a lot of coke and drunkenly contemplated trying to shoot it.

I need to just throw them out as soon as they arrive. I get especially scared about medical stuff like thinking I have infections or thinking there's something more serious wrong with me than there actually is and I know IV would just be the end of me. I keep feeling myself slowly pulled towards that ROA just because I'm a go big or go home guy but I appreciate all of the advice here against ever even attempting to inject anything. It is tempting since I know it would be just total oblivion and it would mean going as far out as humanly possible in terms of drug experiences but life is not a game and I should not play with it like it's something worthless.

Toss theose needles out ffs. You dont wnt to bang coke it will fuck you up bad trust me

 

[moonyham]

It's not really like other stimulants. It gives you a very specific and short lived feeling that can't really be replicated. Once you begin to realize the exact type of euphoria/rush it provides and find an ROA that tickles your fancy, it just becomes an obsession because it gives you that specific feeling on demand and you sober up rather quickly. This makes it much more torturous than a lot of drugs because you will just hurt yourself and your brain trying to chase the first high of the day, but the fleeting nature of the sensation makes it into a totally different type of drug than other stimulants. I can binge super hard on it and then once I run out, I'm basically back to normal (still a little fucked up and tired, obviously, but not spun out or insane) and can just go about my life until I get more. Other drugs have much worse hangovers or can knock you out or spin you out for a very very long time, so coke is weirdly functional on paper. But that craving is so intense that it will fuck you up in totally different ways and might even be worse than other drugs because of how much it takes over your brain and makes you obsess over it.

For me, I don't think I would've become such a hardcore addict if I wasn't able to basically get as much as I want in the early stages. I had a ton of extra money so I was able to basically have an endless supply, and once you teach your brain that it can have as much coke as it wants you really get locked into it and you will obsess over it whether you have it or don't. I've heard a lot of people claim it's overrated, or not even that great of a high, but that's because they haven't really indulged in it yet. If you get accustomed to that feeling, isolate it in your sessions, and start to just seek it out whenever you can, you're just locked into it and there isn't really a suitable replacement. It's not about making you more functional, it's not about balancing out your mood or making you more focused, it is exclusively about wanting to get completely wacked out without a single care in the world other than keeping that feeling going. It's total escapism and when you're binging hard, it's really all you're thinking about. No cleaning the house or hyper fixating on some weird task, just only thinking about coke and doing coke until it's gone. That's a powerful escape if you're someone who is kind of sick of their life. You get to exit society and life for as long as you can afford it and then re enter society a couple hours after your binge is done, albeit crankily and irritably and perhaps psychotically. It give you the power to run away from your problems completely and on demand, but it is impossible to control your usage and money is usually the only thing that prevents people from doing it constantly until they die. And if your job is very physically and mentally taxing, it actually makes you somewhat better at it. Not just because of the stimulant side of it, but IMO because every day life just seems easy and rote when you only care about coke. You just get everything done as quickly and efficiently as possible so that you can go home and do more coke, and the carelessness it instills in you is often mistaken by others for confidence and competency. It can give you a leg up not just because it gives you more energy but also because you start to see the world as a series of tasks you must complete in order to do more drugs. That's a big part of its prevalence in industry I think, everybody has the potential to get hooked and those that get hooked become more ruthless and efficient because it just does that to your personality. Nothing is as important as coke, so you don't get in your head about stuff as much. Terrible for relationships though and like I said it is impossible to control your usage once you become accustomed to having it on a regular basis (mostly mean weekends, using it every day just seems impossible to me unless you're a celebrity or elite. Even then I'm very curious just how many high rollers and powerful people are prisoners to coke. It's got to be a majority IMO).

It's a specific kind of high too that might seem underwhelming, but is very special, It gets you very loopy and weird in a way that makes every session feel like a novel experience even though you're just wasting away and killing yourself. It makes you have bizarre thoughts and changes your personality in a very strange way that a lot of users find exciting, IMO. You just have a different air about you, you're not laser focused or robot like instead you're almost like a primitive man who hasn't been socialized or educated in the ways of the modern world. You just do whatever the fuck you want and every single thing you think of or do or say feels like it's the most important thing you've ever done. It's a weird fucking drug. Plus there are so many ROAs that all have totally different effects. Crack, IV, boofing, snorting all are like totally different drugs and all have their place. All have a similar euphoria, but as you get into the more bioavailable ones like boofing or crack it becomes a very very intense body high that just feels ridiculously good and scrambles your brain up. Lots of people only snort it and never realize just how powerful the rush can be if you're able to do a huge dose in one go, not limited by how much powder you can burn your nose with.

See weirdly I dont get this on cocaine. I do on meth 100%. I'll lose all interest in everything and just keep smoking it until its all gone basically once I'm about 6-12 hours deep in the bender - with spontaneous 'stuff' in between but no focus or 'grind' on any task or activity. Whereas coke.. I forget about it. I can do a line or two, play some games, talk to some friends on the phone, go have dinner, play some more games and in between rounds or something I might notice 'oh yeah theres a plate of lines right next to me' and do another one.. but I can just as easily not - go smoke some weed and go to bed(which is what I do most nights). My friend who doesn't really use drugs(once or twice a year) was given an ounce of pretty nice coke a couple months ago. He doesn't like coke so I've just been picking up a couple grams of him every week or so. Its free, and he said I can just take the whole bag but from a legal perspective not a self control one, I don't want that much coke at my house. In fairness though I am not normal when it comes to self control with drugs. Meth for example - its insanely addictive and I do enjoy it but I'm also acutely aware of how bad it is so when I use it I have a rule I always stick to of never using it after I wake up from a bender. The one time I used it after I woke up from a bender, not only was the crash absolutely horrible but the addictiveness kicked in to overdrive. I never had any 'struggle' with it until that day. For about a week or so, every 'shiny' thing that looked like a meth crystal caught my attention and I was thinking about meth all the time. I don't get that sticking to one bender at a time months apart.

Why is Cocaine more habit forming for you over other stimulants?

Theres a concept in pharmacology called 'reinforcement'. A drug is reinforcing if it makes you want to do it again. Notice that this definition includes more then how good a drug feels. Another variable is how fast the drug begins to work and how long it lasts.

Cocaine excels here. Not only is it very euphoric but it rapidly exerts an effect that doesn't last long.

In experimental models, animals are more likely to use a drug till it kills them if that drug has a very short but intense duration.

Is there anything similar to cocaine but more mild?

Methylphenidate is very close to cocaine in the sense that it's a short acting monoamine reuptake inhibitor while also still being readily available.

How can nose damage from snorting be reduced?

Make a habit out of using a saline nasal spray during binges and afterwards. There's no way of totally reducing nasal damage- snorting large quantities of dry, abrasive powder is damaging no matter what you do.

Does moisture / humidity make cocaine more irritating, and does drying it help?

It depends on the context. Cocaine HCL is mildy hydroscopic meaning it sequesters moisture from the air. In this context, cocaine can be hard to grind into a fine powder because the moisture makes it form larger particles. One of the variables involved in his irritating a drug is to snort is particle size. The finer/smaller, the better. So yeah, the dryer your material the better.

Interesting. I think ritalin to not be so great personally. And that makes sense RE the moisture. Glad to have this confirmed.

IV coke is anything but average. Thats addictive because of its insane rush and very short duration

please dont do coke ffs shit made me seize up so hard a few times

I'm sure IV coke is very powerful. But im talking cocaine via snorting. I am grossed out by IV/needles so I'll never 'graduate' to that. I would have to have pharmaceutical grade stuff, even then - the idea of using needles to get high just feels wrong to me.

 

[moonyham]

I need to find the actual study but I read an article that said apes given the choice between food and a button that releases cocaine (but requires an additional press of the button every time it's administered, so eventually it takes hundreds or thousands of presses to get the coke and that's assuming they go for the coke instead of food) were eventually starving themselves, pressing the button all day long thousands of times. That gives some insight into just how powerful it's high is, and how much it dwarfs all other experiences. It's no wonder humans will value it more than money or wellbeing, it is simply a way to work around having to work or fit in to feel good and feel satisfied. If you're sort of fed up with your life, it will give you a reason to keep living and keep up appearances. But it will eventually destroy your life and your appearance in society. The tragedy of that is also something that makes it so popular, it's a very romantic drug that has a very complex reputation as a blessing and a curse so in my experience I end up craving the intensity it brings to my life, the weird situations it puts you in and the way it just completely overpowers you.

I think the problem is monkeys don't have the mind to consider long term issues and health damage. Personally for me, I got businesses to run, people who rely on me, assets to manage, big goals that I am working on - I can't let a drug(or anything!) get in the way of any of that. As soon as it(any drug) becomes even close to a problem or addictive, I cut it off - which I did to oxy and meth. I find it interesting that quite often(not always) the people with the most intense drug habits(falling squarely into 'total junkie' territory) are the ones with nothing else going on and never had anything going on. To these users quite often the biggest and only real thing of importance they are risking is their very life. They aren't risking a house, businesses, a bunch of employees and others who rely on you etc. Its a different game when you have so much on the line and not just your physical self. Its actually the biggest reason for me to advocate against drug use for younger people(not just teens, I think about 25yo before you should be using drugs is right for most people). If you don't give yourself a chance to 'build' something to lose, then an addiction to drugs has far more potential to control your life. I've personally seen this in many friends.

I like getting high - but I like my successful and comfortable life way more. I won't risk that. Coke doesn't 'fill a hole' for me it just makes the days I use it a bit more spontaneous and fun with minimal negative effects. I mostly just hate the nose damage and general 'taboo/illegality' of it as I don't break the law besides using drugs and am a 'legit' person in every other regard.

 

[moonyham]

I know this is fucked up but for whatever reason I ordered needles the other day despite having never tried IVing anything. I had just bought a lot of coke and drunkenly contemplated trying to shoot it.

I need to just throw them out as soon as they arrive. I get especially scared about medical stuff like thinking I have infections or thinking there's something more serious wrong with me than there actually is and I know IV would just be the end of me. I keep feeling myself slowly pulled towards that ROA just because I'm a go big or go home guy but I appreciate all of the advice here against ever even attempting to inject anything. It is tempting since I know it would be just total oblivion and it would mean going as far out as humanly possible in terms of drug experiences but life is not a game and I should not play with it like it's something worthless.

Dude don't even open the package and get tempted! Just throw it as soon as it arrives. Ain't not going back after IV. I'm sure we have all seen it. Besides it sounds like your quite similar to me - stressing about medical emergencies isn't fun bro especially when you're high or coming down.. Its not like cocaine is completely clean - besides all the cuts that get added, its no doubt full of pathogens as it'll be getting chopped up on dirty tables and sneezed on by who knows. It'll just a gamble as to whether they become an issue or not every time you inject. Risky enough snorting it - our body has amazing tools to fight pathogens when drugs are consumed every other way but strait into your veins and you bypass all of that.

 

[danosaurous22]

When I start on coke it becomes my obsession until it's gone. Every single time. I will literally lie to myself that I'm going to ration it or use it responsibly then as soon as I get even a little bit high I will keep doing it until I have to go to work or have some pressing family thing to go to. Not sure why it has such a strong pull on me like that but you have nothing like that, obviously it's different for everybody but I think it might also come down to how much you've locked the habit into your brain. I was doing a shit ton before I was properly addicted, I just loved it and was doing like a ball to two balls a day for a couple months, just absurd amounts. I could not even begin to fathom even doing a gram a day these days, I really became totally accustomed to being high on coke constantly and although I can take breaks from it I really am always scheming about how and when I can binge ever since that crazy period of usage. Part of it is undoubtably that I haven't tried meth, it probably just feels way way better and when I find a drug that feels better than another one I basically forget about the lesser drug and devote all of my attention to the more potent one. At the same time though cocaine is a special drug, binging it is quite the roller coaster and it ends up really making you look at the world in a strange way. The come down is so immediate and fast that it honestly gives me a lot of perspective on my life, although that perspective usually doesn't last after I'm feeling better. But I will basically look at the world as a blank slate, and think about how I got to where I am, the way I have been stuck in repetitive patterns and ways of thinking for such a long time, and appreciate just how vast and forgiving the world can be at times. It's almost like a rebirth, the coke gets me so fucking numb and confused about life that I actually start to look at myself critically and see things that were wrong with me far before I ever tried any drugs. I think a lot of coke heads also have a high tolerance for darkness and challenges in life, and that rebuilding after a crazy binge is to me a part of the experience I do still value. It wipes me out, but it feels like I basically survived a disaster and suddenly life doesn't seem quite so bad. It's then that I'm thankful to have a life and to have made it through so many difficult situations. I've been contemplating whether I have bipolar lately and something I've been thinking about with coke heads is whether or not they are kind of using it to manage mood disorders. Obviously it's not good for you if you have bipolar disorder but IME I can use it to basically shift myself out of a depressive state and into a more manic one, which can be a lifesaver at work or wherever else as long as you can manage it (good luck!). And since I have such strong emotions and my mind races a lot of the time/worry about so many things, the cocaine honestly slows my brain down in some ways where I'm not so in my head about how I'm acting or what the best thing to do in a situation is. Instead, I'm just doing what I feel is right in every moment and probably talking everybody's ears off. But it really does quiet down the constant stream of worry and sadness that exists in my brain, but it unfortunately replaces it with a numb and empty perspective on life, where I'm only concerned with coke and every other task is basically just a very small inconvenience. But viewing life like that does make a lot of things way easier, where you're not doubting yourself and just kind of getting things over with vs. avoiding them.

I'm genuinely curious what celebrities do when they get a taste for coke. If I had millions and millions of dollars as well as millions and millions of dollars worth of things I could sell or pawn, I would probably be dead in like half a year at most. I would get totally sucked into cocaine as an every five minutes type thing, make a fool out of myself, probably have a heart attack or get into some seriously sketchy shit that would hurt or arrest me. Do celebrities just hide it and they're actually just miserable coke heads? Or maybe I'm underestimating celebrities and they didn't all get turned onto drugs at such an early age that they were basically doomed to a lifelong addiction as long as they had cash. Or maybe they basically learn their lesson about misusing drugs and reserve it for special occasions/a specific time of the week or day. My gut tells me that half of those fuckers at least are hopelessly addicted to cocaine, and although they mostly work hard at keeping it hidden when they're "working" (press tours, speeches, filming, interviews, etc.) they have just been born into that lifestyle and most likely would have no real good reason to stop unless they feared an overdose or health problem or a social issue. But I just could not imagine being able to get an oz of high quality coke to my house any time I want with zero dent in my savings. I might be just assuming that all celebrities are basically addicts like me but come on, I can't imagine somebody who gets a taste of really good coke and an absurd amount of wealth not doing it quite often, at least if they're younger and going out and shit. I swear since becoming a coke head I can tell when politicians and musicians are high on that shit, it's not always like the stereotypical reaction of being wound up and jumpy, but looking super goofy and out of it, flushed, and just having a little bit too much fun whatever they're doing. And on that topic I also started to wonder recently if any powerful people have been "compromised" by their cocaine usage-- I feel like if somebody is deep enough into addiction and has a lot of money already they could be easily bribed or blackmailed or have their pay padded by slight involvement in cocaine trade. The US government as we remember did that with the contras in Nicaragua allegedly but after all the Epstein shit I would not be surprised if the most powerful men in the world basically exist so that they can have weird sex and do hard drugs, not maintain order or improve the world but basically just serve their addictions to power and pleasure, at least after years and years of such gigantically lucrative success. I would just love to know exactly how common cocaine usage is on sets, on TV, late night shows, writer's rooms, political offices, lawyers offices, etc. People love to get on their high horse about it and act like cocaine is a dirty word and a dirty drug but I have seen firsthand the grip it has on people who had a period of their life using it a bit. One minute they will be lecturing me about my usage, and later on they will be begging me and getting shitty about wanting some. Plus, you have to admit, coke would give you a leg up if you used it responsibly (somewhat responsibly) if you had to stay focused and work an exhausting job-- if only because it would mean you could be doing the most menial and boring shit in the world and you would actually avoid becoming tired and you would have a lot of confidence and a strong desire to just push yourself and do a good job if only to just feel something rather than the big hole coke left in your brain (metaphorical hole). I hate to say it but I also think it must be easy to compromise someone with cocaine and use it as payment or under the table deals or whatever. I can take a long time away from it (not so long I guess, maybe like two weeks to a month at most) and I still haven't quite figured out how to talk myself out of going as hard as humanly possible. I still have lowered my usage but I will do it from getting home from work to leaving for work in the morning, and then repeat that as many days as the bags last. If somebody offered me a key of super super high quality and pure cocaine I would probably be willing to do some crazy shit to secure it for myself. Maybe that's projection and maybe it's not as rampant in very famous and powerful people as I'm assuming but nobody probably wants to fess up about it if it's going on and it seems like it makes a public life a little more pleasurable and effortless provided you don't overdo it. And the sex crimes of the elite must go hand in hand with extremely powerful drugs, probably cocaine included.

 

[danosaurous22]

My position is a little different, I'm the only person I know who really abuses drinking and drugs. It's a lonely life but it's been a problem for me ever since I tried nicotine and I have binged hard on a ton of different substances, cocaine is the one that really grabbed me by the balls though, I exclusively do it while I'm drinking a ton of beer too. I'm grateful that I'm alone in it because it makes me realize just how fucked up I get and how there is another side of life and I can always count on friends and family to give me some advice and comfort without involving any substances. I have cut it very close though with getting way too fucked up and missing work or almost getting arrested for just wandering and sort of causing a scene when it's a several day long binge, I am incredibly incredibly lucky to have been given so many additional chances and to have a strong continence so that I can work through horrible binges and come down before it becomes too big of a problem. But I have ruined my reputation in some ways, I'm still respected but I think most of my close friends and my bosses and my family all have seen me just stupidly messed up and it probably will forever be a reason to doubt me or not trust me. The worst part is what you mentioned though, since I don't have a lot going on and coke gave me such a good feeling just being by myself in a shitty apartment I have wasted so so so much time on this stuff, just doing absolutely nothing basically. Just stationary and listening to music or watching stuff or talking on the internet for however many hundreds or thousands of hours. I do find though that pushing the experience really far does really put your mind far out there, you see the world with different eyes and you get a glimpse at what the world looks like when you're not all wrapped up in it. I'm 26, and I have been really rising up at my job and learning a lot about managing people and just how to be a valuable worker and leader and solve problems. But I really hope that I can get to your point in the next few years, find meaning beyond just getting fucked up, find a reason to save money rather than convert it into highs, and basically just fucking grow up finally.

 

[moonyham]

My position is a little different, I'm the only person I know who really abuses drinking and drugs. It's a lonely life but it's been a problem for me ever since I tried nicotine and I have binged hard on a ton of different substances, cocaine is the one that really grabbed me by the balls though, I exclusively do it while I'm drinking a ton of beer too. I'm grateful that I'm alone in it because it makes me realize just how fucked up I get and how there is another side of life and I can always count on friends and family to give me some advice and comfort without involving any substances. I have cut it very close though with getting way too fucked up and missing work or almost getting arrested for just wandering and sort of causing a scene when it's a several day long binge, I am incredibly incredibly lucky to have been given so many additional chances and to have a strong continence so that I can work through horrible binges and come down before it becomes too big of a problem. But I have ruined my reputation in some ways, I'm still respected but I think most of my close friends and my bosses and my family all have seen me just stupidly messed up and it probably will forever be a reason to doubt me or not trust me. The worst part is what you mentioned though, since I don't have a lot going on and coke gave me such a good feeling just being by myself in a shitty apartment I have wasted so so so much time on this stuff, just doing absolutely nothing basically. Just stationary and listening to music or watching stuff or talking on the internet for however many hundreds or thousands of hours. I do find though that pushing the experience really far does really put your mind far out there, you see the world with different eyes and you get a glimpse at what the world looks like when you're not all wrapped up in it. I'm 26, and I have been really rising up at my job and learning a lot about managing people and just how to be a valuable worker and leader and solve problems. But I really hope that I can get to your point in the next few years, find meaning beyond just getting fucked up, find a reason to save money rather than convert it into highs, and basically just fucking grow up finally.

Yeah 26 is young man. The thing is, if you already use its hard to build something worth quitting/limiting yourself for.

My advice to anyone young enough to hear it - only you can control your future. Only you will save yourself. No one is coming, no one will figure shit out for you, no one will hold your hand. The quicker you remove any semblance of 'help' being 'out there' the quicker you will solve all your own problems and thrive. And if you think you have help, a friend, family, a therapist - whatever - thats even more dangerous because its a delusion. Any help most people get from others puts them deeper in the hole.

Can't remember where I heard it but its something like - some people are like trees. The wind(environment) dictates the direction they grow. They have no ability to change direction on their own. The environment is what controls that. Don't be a tree.

 

[Syntherize]

I'm trying to look within and figure out why I like coke. I don't like stimulants in general - have dabbled and done meth and all your classic pharmaceutical ones but nothing regularly. I find coke is way more difficult to not regularly consume compared to the other stimulants I've done but in my opinion - it is the lesser of all the stimulants. A step up from coffee essentially. I don't get crazy euphoria, I don't get crazy energy - I just feel a bit better, increased mood, more social etc. Its just dialing up the knob a couple of clicks. And I don't really feel bad the next day. To me this is the draw - the fact its actually not that powerful or 'good' compared to other stimulants. Meth is way more 'fun' but it lasts so long, has such a big crash, and you are properly high and 'not thinking strait'. Sure my decision making skills on harder drugs like that is not terrible but I've never done anything risky or stupid on coke whereas I have on meth. I find with stuff like ritalin, adderral - if I take lower doses I feel close to nothing, if I take higher doses I get jittery and sweat, life becomes more difficult not easier - becomes more like meth than anything. But coke in any dose - whether just a line in the morning to start the day or doing a gram or two throughout the night while playing games and general internet shit is good either way.

Anyway, I must say out of all the drugs I've regularly consumed - coke seems to be the most.. 'reasonable'? I found doing it multiple days in a row to be a bit exhausting so I dont do that anymore, at least 2-3 days between usage, but yeah I kinda hate that its such a good drug in this regard because its not really sustainable(price wise, damage to nose/health) long term. Its also(in my country) not as consistent in quality or availability(mostly availability) so having a permanent/long term relationship with it isn't very feasible.

My questions and reason for this post are:

Are there any drugs kinda like coke? Short acting, with not crazy amounts of euphoria or physical load? Anything new been discovered?

And, what is the best way to reduce nose damage for someone using a couple times a week? At first my snot would get a little bit red with blood after every night of usage. I had about a month break and then I had a tiny amount of red in my snot at the end of a night but not much, and then since then(maybe a month since that?) I haven't had any blood in any snot even after a heavy night? I question if my nose has 'hardened' or the soft part that was being damaged has completely broken down or scarred so it no longer bleeds? But I don't know..

Also is it my imagination or is any level of humidity/dampness in your coke greatly increase irritation? I met someone that microwaves their coke(on a plate) for 10 seconds a couple of times. They said it helps dry it out and makes it easier to snort etc. Researching that gave minimal information - besides saying that it should be fine and the temps to damage coke wouldn't happen in this kind of microwaving situation. I started doing that and since then my nose has felt far less irritated. It doesn't close up and get clogged after 5-10 lines. But I was lazy the other night and had my plate sitting out for a couple of hours, and didn't dry it. After that kinda clumpy but still powdery line my nose instantly closed up and couldn't do any more lines? Just a coincidence or is this really whats happening? I live in a very humid environment, sits around 50-70% at all times so stuff like coke out on a plate absorbs a little water pretty quick and goes from crunchy(like crushing salt almost, but not quite that hard) to 'soft' and clumpy without the crunch when using a card etc.

Cocaine is wayyy more euphoric than meth, but it doesn’t last as long due to the short half-life. Either your cocaine source is trash or you haven’t ever got the real deal. Go try cocaine IV and then come back later.

 

[Cheradenine]

I have never done coke and I have no desire to try it. People’s brains are different. Some are wired to enjoy amphetamines, other are wired to enjoy coke, or opiates or whatever. I also occasionally see people here who experience methylphenidate as highly euphoric. I don’t, or at least not anywhere near my experience with amphetamines. But despite this, I find methylphenidate much more addictive than amphetamine. This probably has to do with the things. First, there is the issue of the short duration. Second, precisely because methylphenidate is so unsatisfying it is always tempting to take more. I guess a similar pattern may evolve in cocaine addiction.

 

[paranoid android]

I have never done coke and I have no desire to try it. People’s brains are different. Some are wired to enjoy amphetamines, other are wired to enjoy coke, or opiates or whatever. I also occasionally see people here who experience methylphenidate as highly euphoric. I don’t, or at least not anywhere near my experience with amphetamines. But despite this, I find methylphenidate much more addictive than amphetamine. This probably has to do with the things. First, there is the issue of the short duration. Second, precisely because methylphenidate is so unsatisfying it is always tempting to take more. I guess a similar pattern may evolve in cocaine addiction.

I like ritalin to. I prefer dexies but ritalin is easier for me to get. One good thing about rits is that i can eat on them like i can on coke. I cant eat on dexies at all