Is Cannabis Truly a Psychedelic?

[foodcrisis]

you know what, i should just delete my comment cause google says the marijuana is intoxicating on a google search...


however google also says that psychedelics really aren't inebriating... maybe some confusion on my behalf about "toxic" being in the word intoxicating. i always forget that intoxicating doesn't mean toxic..... i wouldn't've even started this conversation if google didn't return the search results that psychedelics are not inebreating persay....


anyways, that poster made some pretty big assumptions about what i was saying too... can't say i like how that person words stuff... oh well.

 

[foodcrisis]

medicinal marijuana smokers really aren't inebriated talking about all the people in our society that smoke all day...


"absolutely causes significant inebriation in various ways" idk. just that wording really got me...

 

[foodcrisis]

i think a lot of people think that all heavy pot smokers are burnt out and can't be on top of their game... not true at all... everyone is different... ... i don't even think that all heavy users are just tolerant either. people still get stoned. some people can just function well.


i've been back seat driver with a lot of people smoking pot... some people are totally on top of their game under the influence of weed, others are not at all... doesn't really make a person any better or worse.

 

[foodcrisis]

i want to top this because i was thinking about my post,


psychedelics can definitely be inebriating for some people even at low doses... to say marijuana and psychedelics are absolutely inebriating is pretty dramatic....


the videos of british soldiers under the influence of lsd appear to be pretty similar to how a person could get like on alcohol. if everyone were to act like that. i would be fine with saying psychedelics are absolutely inebriating. i don't think it's absolute at all that psychedelics are inebriating. this thread, is cannabis a psychedelic. i know i know, psychedelics are or can be very different, but i feel like FOR THE MOST PART psychedelics bring people to a place and can make people function ways that should be a separate definition from alcohol...

i don't really have a lot of proof of people doing high functioning things on LSD, but Carlos Santana supposedly took a large dose of LSD at woodstock and wasn't really even an experienced psychedelic user from what i understand... the definition of inebriated starts as drunk. i really feel like if you were to stop Carlos while playing at woodstock, he may've been bizarre or animated, but he would've been able to talk to you. like drunk i think slurred speech. i know some people that get ego loss from psychedelics and say weird shit, ,but it's not really slurred.. it's different...

there is also the book Be Here Now, where the monk takes 1000ug of LSD supposedly with no tolerance and supposedly he's totally straight.. i don't think it's absolute that the amount of psychedelics you can take has anything to do with your spiritual understanding or connection with the other side of your mind, but i believe this is a true story. maybe the dude was on some type of other drug that stopped the effects of psychedelics. i realy don't know. i can't really handle THAT MUCH ACID... 1000ugs also isn't THAT MUCH absolutely.. like take a couple grams of LSD and the monk may've been rolling around on the ground not being able to function, hey i guess that's inebriated... but someone can take 1000ugs of lsd and be straight. idk. like someone could just have a high tolerance, but in this case, i think this monk in Be Here Now is just extremely in tune with the universe..


you see the british soldiers documented on lsd inaccurately using their cannons. that's not really what happened to Carlos Santana at woodstock. the acid took him to a higher level where he was doing some real deep shit. i think that should be separated from inebriated.... maybe acid just brings out people's spirituality, that rocket launchers are stupid and Santana's guitar playing is awesome to the spirits of the universe. The universe is not meant to launch rockets...

idk. like i feel like the object of psychedelics is to see shit that isn't there so i wouldn't be like you aren't impaired from certain tasks, but psychedelics make some people do some tasks extremely accurately.... psychedelic drugs don't really make people weaker either. i don't know if weak is really in the definition, but like the alcohol made a person strong and do tasks accurately. idk. not really seeing it.

as well, idk. as a druggy, just hanging out with tripping people is a different vibe than drunk.

 

[Spoonkter]

I don't smoke weed anymore because it gives me the psychosis. However it is a psychedelic. Some strains make buildings look like cardboard cut outs, and the clouds in the horizon look extra trippy.

I remember one time I smoked after 3 years not smoking and it was a bigtime creeper. I was at night time. When it hit me a good 20 min later I closed my eyes and could see a patten of creepy smiley faces laughing at me under my eye lids. I went back inside with my girlfriend who was a regular user and we tried to watch t.v but I had to turn it off and lay her down on her back on my bed. I got on top of her with my knees bent and tucked my head into her stomach area close to her vagina and told her how scared I was and I how I didn't like it. It did help because being in the pussy eating position. Brought me comfort even though that was not on my mind at all at the time.

The next day the first thing I did was wake up and smoke the the rest of the joint with her and it was better. Within a week I was back at 3.5 grams a day and loving it. I used to love to wake and bake.

Terence McKenna said once a week get the best weed you can find and smoke it in a pitch black room and you will trip balls. I believe that to be true. When you're a full blown pot head its not the same at all as using once a week. Smoking weed once in a while can be an epic adventure.

 

[BourbonMac]

All plant terpenes are active in some way, and many are also psychoactive. They interact with most systems ie dopamine, serotonin, glutamate, GABA, ECS etc. A few interact with the ECS (CB1, CB2 etc) beyond caryophyllene. The only ones active at 5-HT2A are citral and terpinolene though I bet there's others.


If you can get lemon myrtle essential oil it's around 95%+ pure citral which has 5-HT2A and cannabinoid qualities. It's interesting to explore...

Late response. Yeah, I know about each terp (in cannabis at least) and their psychoactivity levels, which ones are or aren't and all that. I just assumed that some people don't actually respond to them because that's how their ECS works. I'm very sensitive to terpenes, but I know a ton of people who, no matter what the strain is, no matter the terps, it's the exact same high.

They're either this high or that high, it doesn't matter even with concentrate. That must be really shitty to not experience strain specific effects. I do think it's probably tolerance for some of them, but some others I know almost never smoke and it's the same for those two. Granted, I only know about 5 people where literally everything gets them just "stoned" and that's it. I have seen a lot of people online say the same thing, but it's probably high tolerance for them.

Either way, it is hard to believe Platinum OG Kush, possibly the most sedating strain ever would hit someone the same as Sour Diesel, but shit, I've brought over so many different strains to a friend of mines place, I'd explain what strain it is and whatnot until he was like "yeah, it all just gets me baked. It doesn't matter what strain it is or what kind" which is pretty surprising. His older bro almost never smokes, but it's the same with him.