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Is Cannabis Truly a Psychedelic?

AddictedSince11 said:
the experience i had 2 days ago completely switched my opinion on if its a phsychidelic like bro 70 mg rso feels like salvia but waay weaker like your obviously not breaking through on weed but if you just sit there while high enough its like a phsychidelic but less mentally and visually intense
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what did u take? what are you talking about? :LOL:
 
Someone I know was going to grab bud after taking a hit of RSO, he called an ambulance lmao.. the charge was like 400 somehow. He'd told me he couldn't move or breathe and panicked, it was around 90%. I found it a little uncomfortable, but an ambulance is ridiculous for how much we'd been smoking or taking dabs.
 
It makes me wonder whether or not Cannabis effects the 5-HT2a receptors in a minority of people, but this is just a Hypothesis.
 
As someone insanely sensitive to its more trippy/psychedelic effects, that's hard to say. I've taken Trazodone on plenty of nights where I was stoned and it didn't cancel out my high though, if that tells you anything. I'm the type of dude who can smoke 0.1g and be so high I'm having some mild visuals, by 0.3-0.5 I can really start to get some trippy effects, but that really depends on the strain and terpenes/terpene distribution and overall percentage.

Not everyone's ECS even respond to terpenes though, I think?
 
BourbonMac said:
Not everyone's ECS even respond to terpenes though, I think?
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All plant terpenes are active in some way, and many are also psychoactive. They interact with most systems ie dopamine, serotonin, glutamate, GABA, ECS etc. A few interact with the ECS (CB1, CB2 etc) beyond caryophyllene. The only ones active at 5-HT2A are citral and terpinolene though I bet there's others.

BourbonMac said:
As someone insanely sensitive to its more trippy/psychedelic effects
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If you can get lemon myrtle essential oil it's around 95%+ pure citral which has 5-HT2A and cannabinoid qualities. It's interesting to explore...
 
Allylbenzene said:
All plant terpenes are active in some way, and many are also psychoactive. They interact with most systems ie dopamine, serotonin, glutamate, GABA, ECS etc. A few interact with the ECS (CB1, CB2 etc) beyond caryophyllene. The only ones active at 5-HT2A are citral and terpinolene though I bet there's others.
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If this is true, then shouldn’t other plants containing terpenes also have psychoactive effects when consumed? Or is it only in cannabis that their concentration is naturally so high?


In general, I believe in the effects of terpenes because I’ve tried different strains that were supposed to have specific terpene profiles (medical weed in my country includes some terpene information), and I was able to notice differences and similarities between them.


But terpenes should exist elsewhere too, right?



...also first post so hi
 
I found a little info on Cannabis Terpenes over 200 or more Terpenes can be found in Cannabis. Most common are Piney and Skunky smells.
 
djziolo said:
If this is true, then shouldn’t other plants containing terpenes also have psychoactive effects when consumed?
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Correct. There are many many reports on the psychoactive effects of essential oils from hundreds of plants. A classic example is resins like frankincense, elemi or myrrh which contain volatile oils. Chewing the resins is a common traditional method.

But terpenes should exist elsewhere too, right?
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Everywhere, all spices, herbs, fruit, vegetables...
 
Cannabis is absolutely a psychedelic drug. It also absolutely causes significant inebriation in various ways. ESPECIALLY TODAY’S PRODUCT.

Even the cheapest of stuff is miles better than what was attainable for most people 15 years ago. No joke, today’s mids are yesterday’s dank.

I actually don’t support the normalization of such potent varieties. It’s a seriously powerful drug these days, and it’s being used all day, every day by many many young, still developing brains.

I was one of them until recently. Essentially for the entirety of my developmental decade. Life is definitely immensely better when it’s treated as an occasional, almost sacramental type of substance. All the ailments I used it to medicate (anxiety, pain, stomach issues) have all improved since I stopped chronic use.

Cannabis with a much closer ratio of THC:CBx varieties needs to become the norm. I say drop the obsession with THC percentages and grow some truly optimized stuff.
 
Helpmeescapethis said:
Cannabis is absolutely a psychedelic drug. It also absolutely causes significant inebriation in various ways. ESPECIALLY TODAY’S PRODUCT.

Even the cheapest of stuff is miles better than what was attainable for most people 15 years ago. No joke, today’s mids are yesterday’s dank.

I actually don’t support the normalization of such potent varieties. It’s a seriously powerful drug these days, and it’s being used all day, every day by many many young, still developing brains.

I was one of them until recently. Essentially for the entirety of my developmental decade. Life is definitely immensely better when it’s treated as an occasional, almost sacramental type of substance. All the ailments I used it to medicate (anxiety, pain, stomach issues) have all improved since I stopped chronic use.

Cannabis with a much closer ratio of THC:CBx varieties needs to become the norm. I say drop the obsession with THC percentages and grow some truly optimized stuff.
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i don't feel like psychedelics are inebriating.... marijuana can hit people both ways to be inebriating or not. i guess psychedelics fuck some people up too, but i generally wouldn't consider them inebriating.. like someone could be in another world with their perspective on psychedelics, but they could still be strong and in control of themselves. this can happen with people not knowing what they are doing, which i would consider inebriation, but ego loss can be used as a tool for art and music.

most psychedelics aren't toxic, which is part of the definition of inebriation..

like psychedelics can make a person dizzy, but that's not the result everyone will get... like i can do a fair amount of psychedelics, and i proven this with guitar tuners, i have a more accurate ear with the notes, and i also have physical ability i normally wouldn't've had... marijuana can be hit or miss with results in art and music.. i've had experiences with art and music on psychedelics where i couldn't get good results too, but overall psychedelics are good.

there are a few under ground bands that use psychedelics while playing.. i think it's a shame in some interviews jerry garcia talks about not alway vibing with playing on acid and he mostly didn't. i can't imagine that he didn't get anything out of playing on psychedelics.. i read in one interview he claims his best playing was in states where he forgot what was going on and didn't really know exactly what he was doing. i thought that was because of acid when i firstread it. it gave me good perspective to get into art and music with psychedelics myself, but apparently it's mostly said that he didn't play under the influence... i wonder how true that is with my own experience.



I'm reading that "inebriated" also pertains to hitting intense emotional states, so if that's the definition they are going by, i'm sorry for my review... i mean, everybody's got to know this guy... can't say he was inebriated during the experience "Yes, Dock Ellis, a Major League Baseball pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates, famously pitched a no-hitter on June 12, 1970, while under the influence of LSD, a story detailed in the documentary No No: A Dockumentary. He took LSD the night before and the day of the game, realizing he was high only a couple of hours before pitching, yet still managed to no-hit the San Diego Padres. "
 
foodcrisis said:
i don't feel like psychedelics are inebriating.... marijuana can hit people both ways to be inebriating or not. i guess psychedelics fuck some people up too, but i generally wouldn't consider them inebriating.. like someone could be in another world with their perspective on psychedelics, but they could still be strong and in control of themselves. this can happen with people not knowing what they are doing, which i would consider inebriation, but ego loss can be used as a tool for art and music.

most psychedelics aren't toxic, which is part of the definition of inebriation..

like psychedelics can make a person dizzy, but that's not the result everyone will get... like i can do a fair amount of psychedelics, and i proven this with guitar tuners, i have a more accurate ear with the notes, and i also have physical ability i normally wouldn't've had... marijuana can be hit or miss with results in art and music.. i've had experiences with art and music on psychedelics where i couldn't get good results too, but overall psychedelics are good.

there are a few under ground bands that use psychedelics while playing.. i think it's a shame in some interviews jerry garcia talks about not alway vibing with playing on acid and he mostly didn't. i can't imagine that he didn't get anything out of playing on psychedelics.. i read in one interview he claims his best playing was in states where he forgot what was going on and didn't really know exactly what he was doing. i thought that was because of acid when i firstread it. it gave me good perspective to get into art and music with psychedelics myself, but apparently it's mostly said that he didn't play under the influence... i wonder how true that is with my own experience.



I'm reading that "inebriated" also pertains to hitting intense emotional states, so if that's the definition they are going by, i'm sorry for my review... i mean, everybody's got to know this guy... can't say he was inebriated during the experience "Yes, Dock Ellis, a Major League Baseball pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates, famously pitched a no-hitter on June 12, 1970, while under the influence of LSD, a story detailed in the documentary No No: A Dockumentary. He took LSD the night before and the day of the game, realizing he was high only a couple of hours before pitching, yet still managed to no-hit the San Diego Padres. "
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Never said that all psychedelics are inebriating (even though they absolutely can be lmao; I’ve had occasions where I literally could not move, could not see reality—that’s pretty goddamned inebriated). Toxicity also has nothing to do with the state of inebriation… I think you’re feeling like you have to defend psychedelics (for absolutely no reason).

I was purely speaking about weed. I said weed ALSO can cause inebriation.

And playing baseball (as a pro) when you took LSD like 12 hours prior is completely irrelevant to the discussion. The guy also used a ton of cocaine that day, by the way. People that played with him said he was more high on coke than anything else.

But following that logic to its conclusion… NFL quarterbacks have admitted to playing while IMMEDIATELY under the influence of opioids. Same with players of the NBA. Same with Miles Davis and loads of other musicians. This does nothing to change the fact that opioids can cause significant inebriation.

It’s like you felt a personal attack on behalf of psychedelics themselves lol. When my only point was that cannabis is much stronger (in multiple ways, including legitimate inebriation) than people give it credit for, which is easy to forget once you use it multiple times a day, every day, for years. Every recreational substance spoken about on this website can cause some form of inebriation, full stop.
 
da fuq dude


i said jerry didn't play under the influence...


a lot of google haters, but some people must agree with this:

"While "inebriated" technically means intoxicated with substances (including drugs other than alcohol), it is not the most accurate term for the state induced by psychedelics. The term is generally used to describe the "drunk," sluggish, or disoriented feeling associated with depressants like alcohol. "
 
foodcrisis said:
da fuq dude


i said jerry didn't play under the influence...


a lot of google haters, but some people must agree with this:

"While "inebriated" technically means intoxicated with substances (including drugs other than alcohol), it is not the most accurate term for the state induced by psychedelics. The term is generally used to describe the "drunk," sluggish, or disoriented feeling associated with depressants like alcohol. "
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… you’re clearly too fixated on what you feel I meant—rather than what I actually said—for my reply be anything other than this, in and of itself.
 
Helpmeescapethis said:
Cannabis is absolutely a psychedelic drug. It also absolutely causes significant inebriation in various ways. ESPECIALLY TODAY’S PRODUCT.
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idk..... don't really care tbh....


totally awesome that 12 hours after taking lsd the guy in the baseball game was sniffing coke and pitched a perfect game... i fucking love drugs.
 
Helpmeescapethis said:
I was purely speaking about weed. I said weed ALSO can cause inebriation.
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"Cannabis is absolutely a psychedelic drug. It also absolutely causes significant inebriation in various ways. ESPECIALLY TODAY’S PRODUCT." you said it absolutely causes inebriation which i quoted above. waste my time
 
i also want to point out i'm not saying that marijuana isn't going to make a first time user impaired. and people can even be extremely impaired...


but the person i've been going on with describes how people use medicinal marijuana and acts like it's a problem... i'm not really seeing the dialogue i'm having with this person.... i'm trying to maintain a whatever attitude.
 
the only reason a person shouldn't be using weed is if it really affects a person's sperm count, or maybe women get used to it for sleeping and then they have to get off it when they are having kids... idk... it doesn't sound like it's great for semen... maybe there should be some restrictions on weed.


a young person could smoke marijuana all day every day and it could level them off.. they could be better at their job. they can be fine driving. everyone is different.
 
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