Bagseed
Bluelighter
if it is verifiable, then please do so
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Is anyone else feeling it?
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Verifiable according to what standard exactly. You know as well as anyone that it is not verifiable according to materialist principles. We're talking about the subjective realm of experience and stuff associated with the mind.. materialist science can't touch that. So your statement is inaccurate.
Well according to what we can verify directly.. we are just another animal. Don't be fooled by all our technology and achievements. We're still unbelievably primitive.
Well I think you've gotten your answer already. Perhaps the issue here is you haven't actually realized you've been given an answer.
Bagseed
Bluelighter
that's what I mean... you cannot describe it in a way that it universally makes sense to anybody. some people might agree with you based on their own perception of things, but a whole bunch of others might not. so how exactly have you proven something to somebody? nobody else can feel exactly what you feel, so how should they verify it? even if they also have a sense of god inside of them, they never can be sure that they feel the same thing as you do, which leaves it in the realm of subjectiveness.
for comparison, gravity will be mostly the same for every person on planet earth, and you can easily calculate the effects of gravity on the moon or everywhere else, defined by mathematical equations which hold true in any reference point. the fact that anybody can verify it by themselves, no matter what, makes it an objective truth of some sorts, whereas the feeling of god is not (or not yet, maybe science will find god at some point, but at the moment, it has not yet).
Yes, but just because it needs to be subjectively verified doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are some things that need to be like the things of an inner nature. The mystery about it is also part of what makes it interesting. There's not the same challenge in learning about the things that are plainly laid out for you in this world.
Besides, anything that goes on in the mundane world is only transient. You can't take it with you when you die like something you've accomplished with the power of your consciousness. It's like shadows on the wall of time.
Besides, anything that goes on in the mundane world is only transient. You can't take it with you when you die like something you've accomplished with the power of your consciousness. It's like shadows on the wall of time.
Bagseed
Bluelighter
yeah but if you think about it, I never said that it certainly doesn't exist. if you are so sure it exists you should hand over the evidence, but in the meantime I remain sceptical. you are basically saying that everybody should believe you even though you present no evidence tanglible to them at all.
no real scientist believes that "god" or a spiritual dimension are proven not to exist, but rather that the existence of such things hasn't been proven at all. different theories of religion, spirituality and so on are basically inconsistent with each other, so who is to judge which theory is objejctively right?
we actually have no clue to what caused the big bang and what was before that. god? maybe, but if you go that route, you have to ask where god came from, which is then followed by an infinite regress.
scientific observation has proven something like "electron spin" to exist in this very real physical space. yet nobody has ever actually seen an electron, because it is way to small for our eyes to detect. would you say that "electron spin" is plainly laid out?
or think about the expansion of the universe: without science and technology we never would have found out, because it's neither obvious nor intuitive to us.
more things you say but actually have no evidence if they are right and wrong. you are basically saying that you know what happens to your consciousness when you died.
I'm just afraid many are in for a big shock now.
I can't imagine how it will play out, but I can feel all this tension like something is about to go off, although it's mostly a relief. I came across an interview of someone very credible in possession of his spiritual skills the other day and he talked about the upcoming transition and said the physical plane is about to dramatically change.
Yes, but change to what?
I can't imagine how it will play out, but I can feel all this tension like something is about to go off, although it's mostly a relief. I came across an interview of someone very credible in possession of his spiritual skills the other day and he talked about the upcoming transition and said the physical plane is about to dramatically change.
Yes, but change to what?
vortech
Bluelighter
YES I AM FEELING IT!!!!! I have received visions of great proceedings before us. I can not say much more for now, but have faith!
vortech
Bluelighter
By the way, you guys are hitting the nail on the head. I am happy to have found my bretheren!
Sometimes I get the impression we're going to be instantly swept up to 5d and won't even know what's happened. But it might be something a bit more gradual. I would think people of all faiths are in the position to receive impressions in different ways now.
vortech
Bluelighter
I believe a new Global Spirituality is arising, and we are entering the new kingdom of God. I've never been a religious man, but I now believe the bible did get a lot of things right, so long as the message is decoded properly.
vortech
Bluelighter
I also believe numerology and astrology is the work of divination. I have seen too many synchronicities to turn a blind eye any longer.
Bagseed
Bluelighter
oh so I see that you decided to not reply to my questions at all anymore. how come? and I also wonder why you don't share your source of this very credible person, for others to examine his words?
L2R: lol :D
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swilow
Bluelight Crew
^I'd like to see this source too.
Yeah, that'll show em. 8)
People always think they live in the most momentous of times. People having been predicted dramatic upheaval and judgement for millennia. End times, shifts in consciouessness. I'm sure that something great and massive is what we need, but history suggests we simply have to make do with what we have, make the best of things and stop looking for external salvation. It hasn't come yet, despite our dire need.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Yeah, that'll show em. 8)
People always think they live in the most momentous of times. People having been predicted dramatic upheaval and judgement for millennia. End times, shifts in consciouessness. I'm sure that something great and massive is what we need, but history suggests we simply have to make do with what we have, make the best of things and stop looking for external salvation. It hasn't come yet, despite our dire need.
Bagseed
Bluelighter
exactly. emperors would execute all their astrologers because an appearing comet "suggested" that doom is impending, but really their fear generated by superstition was what brought them down in the end.
edit: I think "flower power" was one of the most important societal shifts in recent times, and even though it seems that it is dead, I can see the little movements spreading love and equality, but of course the real change will be slow and hopefully long term. the sixties, in my opinion, were just a strong start, and then, when it failed to revolutionize everything very quickly, it dampened (because society cannot really change instantly).
hippy thinking is of course often in connection with spirituality and also esotericism, but I think the deeper implication of a society where everybody is deemed equal and we as a human species have to be solidary instead of working against each other is the real message of the whole thing, not some very subjective eso consciousness shift whatever thing.
edit2: I think we might be in for a real shock in the next few decades, which is peak oil, if we are stupid enough to completely depend on fossile energy until it's too late. problem is most people don't realize the implication of this, mainly that very quickly there would be no food, because big scale food production and transport depends completely of fuel. if this happens, we will have a pretty "interesting" time, that's for sure.
(but I am sure that some people will connect peak oil with some deeper energy vibrational something, when it happens
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Well, I don't wish I was just making it up, but it's not like I was looking for it. If there wasn't so much outside of me that collaborates I might think it was just due to what I'm going through. But you can't really see it like that any more.
So I guess this is really the end of the 25, 000 year-old cycle and we're coming out of the Kali-Yuga (the triumph of materialism) where our consciousness and connection with the higher levels have been obscured. And it's long overdue, you only have to look at the state of the world. Peter Deunov also made a prophecy about the coming of a golden age a hundred years ago, and he didn't tend to get things wrong.
There have now been people talking about this since the 60s with the coming Age of Aquarius and all that. But just because it hasn't come to be yet doesn't mean it won't. Just because it didn't happen in 2012 doesn't mean it never will. It will and it is.
As for how the physical changes will play out that is anyone's guess. I think it's meant to be a suprise.
But I don't think the worst scenarios will be coming true. Europe might be overflowing and wealthy are building survival-shelters, but I don't think there will be any more war and it will be a good thing for most.
Some of the things that have been talked about for years are mass-landings, ascencion-chambers, changes in government, re-distribution of resources, and new released technology like free energy-generators and food-replicators which will change the whole world order. But I guess we will have to wait and see.
So I guess this is really the end of the 25, 000 year-old cycle and we're coming out of the Kali-Yuga (the triumph of materialism) where our consciousness and connection with the higher levels have been obscured. And it's long overdue, you only have to look at the state of the world. Peter Deunov also made a prophecy about the coming of a golden age a hundred years ago, and he didn't tend to get things wrong.
There have now been people talking about this since the 60s with the coming Age of Aquarius and all that. But just because it hasn't come to be yet doesn't mean it won't. Just because it didn't happen in 2012 doesn't mean it never will. It will and it is.
As for how the physical changes will play out that is anyone's guess. I think it's meant to be a suprise.
But I don't think the worst scenarios will be coming true. Europe might be overflowing and wealthy are building survival-shelters, but I don't think there will be any more war and it will be a good thing for most.
Some of the things that have been talked about for years are mass-landings, ascencion-chambers, changes in government, re-distribution of resources, and new released technology like free energy-generators and food-replicators which will change the whole world order. But I guess we will have to wait and see.
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I love your optimism Ninae, but from where I'm standing all the signs are pointing the other way. I'd love to believe we'll be saved at the last minute by benevolent ET's or some other scenario.. just can't see it happening.
Don't worry.. all those billions of pounds we've pumped into nuclear fusion research will magically pay off at the last minute. Honest.
Who knows, but I've been hearing for years there are space ships around all the planet now, and if they weren't cloaked we wouldn't be able to see any sky. And they're looking out for the planet and have our best interests in heart. Maybe that's who those building iceberg homes are afraid of as they won't be wanting any changes.
There is a strange feeling indeed, but I don't have any armageddon scenario in my mind.
There is a strange feeling indeed, but I don't have any armageddon scenario in my mind.