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Is Alcohol Worse Than Ecstasy?

AgentEran

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So I found this article/TV documentary.. It seems to support feelings I have had for a looong time.

Any one agree with the notion that Alcohol Worse Than Ecstasy??

Aired: February 5, 2008

In February of 2008, BBC Two aired a documentary based on a study by Professor David Nutt, a psycho-pharmacologist at Bristol University. Nutt and his team analyzed the negative effects caused by 20 common drugs. They asked a group of 29 consultant psychiatrists who specialize in addiction to rate the drugs in categories based on physical harm, addiction, and social disruption. They also extended the analysis to a group of 16 experts spanning several fields including pharmacology, police, chemistry, forensics, psychiatry, and legal services.

The goal of the documentary was to examine how the brain and body react to specific drugs. It showed how each substance passes into the bloodstream and what the long-term effects of the drugs are relative to their current classification. The program raised questions over the current drug classification system used in the United Kingdom. According to the film, Britain’s most dangerous drugs are (starting at #20) Cathinone (Khat), Amyl nitrite (Poppers), MDMA/Ecstasy, GHB, Anabolic steroid, Methylphenidate (e.g. Ritalin), LSD/Acid, 4-MTA, Solvents, THC (Cannabis), Buprenophine hydrochloride, Nicotine (Tobacco), Amphetamine/Speed, Benzodiazepine (e.g. Valium), Ketamine, Alcohol, Methadone, Barbiturates, Cocaine/Crack cocaine, and #1 is Heroin.

The most startling fact about the program is that alcohol, solvents, and tobacco (all unclassified drugs) are rated more dangerous than ecstasy, 4-MTA, and LSD (all class A drugs). The UK government’s top advisory committee members on drug classification were among the scientists involved in the study. Some people think the data recorded by Professor David Nutt should be used to help update drug classification rankings. The documentary presented the idea that the ABC drug classification system used in the UK is arbitrary.
 
I've shown this to many co-works who only drink...they can't comprehend it...i NEVER drink. it's gross...MDxx + Benzodiazepines are all I like.
 
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Alcohol users will never comprehend the fact that their goofy-juice is a very dangerous drug. Not to mention a drug that invites violent, irrational behavior.

No matter what anyone says, MDMA is not an abusable drug (In comparison with alcohol, cannabis, Meth). The effects diminish too quickly from redose to redose. The addiction potential is purely one of psychological value. It is not like cocaine in which you get gut-wrenching cravings for. Or alcohol in which long-term abuse can lead to DTs.
 
ketamine is worse than speed? fuck off.. that's bullshit
 
If alcohol did not exist the world would change in many wonderful ways - I could write an essay on this. If MDMA did not exist, a minority of people would never discover a blissful, immensely positive experience, and a minority of that minority wouldn't fuck their minds up from doing it too much (but probably would from something else that's awesome and requires self control).

Alcohol wrecks the body. It offers nothing in terms of personal growth. It intensities a selfish, egotistical way of life. Abusing it can have even worse repercussions than abusing MDMA. You won't feel it until 75% of your liver is dead. Unlike MDMA it is proven neurotoxic. It is carcinogenic and pretty much straight poison. People don't even realize what they are doing to themselves because it is socially acceptable and hardly considered a "drug."

MDMA to me doesn't really have any abuse potential. I find myself being as healthy as possible and rolling only a few times per year. It is self regulating. Alcohol, I abused the fuck out of when I was younger and dumber, and to this day I worry about the damage I have done to myself. Not to mention, it is the only drug that had horrible long term effects on me that took a while to go away after after abusing.

Over half of all deaths of Russian males aged 15 to 54 are directly caused by alcohol. When your liver processes it, a chemical is created that is 10 to 30 times more toxic than alcohol itself. And to think of how nasty pure ethanol would taste as it is.
 
Is alcohol more dangerous than MDMA?

Neither of them are particularly dangerous in and of themselves, at least with infrequent use.
MDMA will kill you if you mix it with certain other drugs (MAOI's come to mind). Alcohol will kill you if you mix it with certain other drugs. Both are otherwise fairly safe.

Alcohol is physically addictive (though you have to kinda work at it to get physically addicted - unlike, say, opiates or benzos), and lends itself to heavier and more frequent use.


That said, the intensity of use which will cause problems over time with MDMA is much lower than for alcohol.
A good portion of college students get plastered once, even twice a week until they get their degree - and I've yet to hear of anyone who drank like that in college complaining of effects attributable to their drinking which lasted after they stopped boozing like that.
Yet we frequently have posts on here from people who rolled every weekend for several months, quit MDMA, and complain that they feel stupid, slow or emotionally fragile, compared to how they were prior to abusing MDMA, months after their last use.
Studies indicate that drinking 1-2 drinks a day can have health benefits. I don't know that anyone's been crazy enough to see what happens when you take 20mg* of MDMA a day - I bet it's not as benign, though ;-)

I'm not saying you can't cause lasting negative effects with Alcohol - because you can, you can fuck yourself up real bad with it - but it takes heavier use than it would with MDMA.

Overall, I'd have to argue that it depends on what criteria you grade the drug, to say which is more damaging.
If you include just the direct effects of the drug, MDMA is certainly worse.

If you include the consequences of use that are associated with the use of the drug, though, alcohol looks a lot worse. MDMA makes it pretty clear to the user that they shouldn't be driving, while a disturbing number of people seem to think driving drunk is okay. People who drink tend to drink more often than people who take MDMA roll, which also increases overall consequences of alcohol abuse.

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Unlike MDMA it is proven neurotoxic.There is abundant evidence pointing to neurotoxicity of MDMA. It has been demonstrated in animal models, albeit at fairly high doses - See the relevant Nichols papers - there are a bunch on the topic of MDMA and other serotonin releasers and neurotoxicity

MDMA to me doesn't really have any abuse potential. I find myself being as healthy as possible and rolling only a few times per year Getting really drunk only a few times a year would be harmless too!.

Over half of all deaths of Russian males aged 15 to 54 are directly caused by alcohol. Because the _AVERAGE_ russian drinks over a liter of vodka a week! It's a nation full of alcoholics, and considering the way the place is run, I can't blame them...
When your liver processes it, a chemical is created that is 10 to 30 times more toxic than alcohol itself And MDMA is metabolized to alpha-methyl-dopamine, which isn't very friendly either.... And to think of how nasty pure ethanol would taste as it is.Irrelevant, and MDMA doesn't taste very good either
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My comments in red, figure it's more readable than a billion quote tags. Clearly, the way you are using MDMA is much more healthy than how you used alcohol. But you're using MDMA responsibly and used alcohol irresponsibly.

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ketamine is worse than speed? fuck off.. that's bullshit
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Amen to that. That list is pretty dubious in general...

*20mg picked because it's 1/5th to 1/10th of the dose one would take to roll hard, and 1-2 drinks is about 1/5th to 1/10th the amount of booze one would take to get really hammered.
 
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I think a sense of balance is important whenever you use any drug. Can MDMA use fuck you up? Of course it can, but I would argue that it's generally easier to not over do it with MDMA. I never have the urge to drop during the week or when I have something important to do. The only time I get the urge to break the 30 day rules is I am at an electronic music event with good friends. That's the only time when I get the urge to abuse MDMA.

However, alcohol can also be used in a way that does not have a negative impact on your life. Even if you drink 2-3 times a week (which is typical for me), you can still be a functional member of society and not maintain a relatively healthy lifestyle.

And alcohol does have it's uses. It's not as deep as MDMA or psychedelics (but then again, MDMA and psychs can also be used in a shallow, "let's get fucked up" kind of way), but it does help you relax, loosen your inhibitions and make you more social.
 
For the record, I think if you consider the criteria (physical harm, addiction, and social disruption) Alcohol is def wayyy worse than MDMA and the other 15 drugs on the list above.

What really bugs me about it all is that alcohol is really one of the worse yet its legal and anyone over 21 can go buy enough to kill themselves in one sitting.. right now. Transversely, the "drug war" on other much less harmful drugs has reduced the MDxx game to what it is. Through their crack down on precursors they have helped propagated a FAR worse substitute drug.. Piperazines. Its not a funny irony.. imo.
 
Those charts mean nothing, they talking about the danger that occurs from the specific drug use. If speaking of strictly damage to neurons MDMA probably takes the chart as probably the worst or near worst drug, after meth of course. Think of drinking heavily once a month , and dosing mdma moderately once a month ( 200mg ). If you kept to that schedule im sure the person drinking alcohol would feel basically no negative mental affects. Wheres as the person dosing the mdma would surely feel at least something 6 months down or a year down, even if they don't their brain would be under more damage and strain than the alcohol thats for sure.
 
So how about we give people prescription grade MDMA- uncut with meth and other more neurotoxic combinations and then we'll see who is having brain problems.

After a night of drinking my mind/body is fairly slowed down the next day. While after a night of rolling I'm typically spaced out, but not inhibited.

If you don't want brain-damage, don't take meth with your MDMA.
 
^Moderation is key as well..

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Alcohol withdrawls can kill you...There are no withdrawls from MDMA. In fact, you can't even get physically addicted to MDMA. :|
 
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