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Is addiction a disease?

Jules what are the chemical changes that happen when you go into addictive behavior? thats mad interesting...



Anyways I still like hearing peoples views on if addiction can only be cured by abstinece from a drug or if it would ever be possible to use again and be in moderation.

I know how i see it but i like hearing yalls ideas.
 
lacey k said:
Jules what are the chemical changes that happen when you go into addictive behavior? thats mad interesting...
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From what I understand, the reward circuits (nucleus accumbens, amygdala), are used to initiate drug self-administration, and the addictive state also involves disruption of circuits involved with compulsive behaviors and with drive.

Intermittent dopaminergic activation of reward circuits secondary to drug self-administration leads to dysfunction of the orbitofrontal cortex via the striato-thalamo-orbitofrontal circuit. During WD and without drug stimulation, the striato-thalamo-orbitofrontal circuit becomes hypofunctional, resulting in a decrease drive for goal-motivated behaviors.
 
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lol that's what im gonna tell my mom the next time she tells me to go find a job.

"I have a hyperfunctional striato-thalamo-orbitofrontal circuit ma"
 
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well it's been proved it has a lot to do with genetic make-up

and addiction gene has been found for opiate addiction.

obviously it's easy to believe in one's superority and willpower when one doesn't have these genes or never tried the drugs that were made for you.
 
^^Well what if you HAVE tried the "drugs made for you" AND got more than a few addiction genes and still made yourself stop doing the drugs that you were having problems with?

That is how it happened with me.

Thats why im skeptical of the helpless addict idea. some people are more helpless than others are no doubt. but it aint just peeps who never been there saying that it has somethin to do with self control. if people can come out of addictions without using 12 steps, and force themself to stop then the idea that every addict has no choice and is just a drug puppet is bullshit.
 
I wish people would have read that article that blahblah posted...it was quite interesting, even if I didn't agree with all of it. blah, did you read it? Here's a quote from it:

Because he has now shifted his dependency, and he no longer relies upon the validity of his own thought process, he obeys! He takes directions! The re-wiring of the dependency shift has taken hold: and he stays clean! He has established new neurological pathways and is able to stand fast through the critical moments. He has has effected the necessary dependency shift! His formerly disordered neurological system has become re-wired.
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Basically, the article said that the addict has to NOT take control and has to lose all control to a support group. I don't really know about this... Does this mean that the addict must rewire his thinking so that he no longer relies on his own thought processes? Does the addict permanently not rely on his own thought processes for the rest of his life then? Is that only drug users who should do that? Is it only for drugs that the addict should do this for? Because I could surrender the validity of my own thought processes for everything...what movies are good to see, how I should raise children (if I ever were to have any), how I should handle things in a relationship, etc...but that defeats the purpose of living an interesting, unique, and meaningful life in my opinion. I guess since addiction is such a serious thing and it controls so many facets of the way one lives his/her life, maybe this is acceptable for just addiction...yet maybe not.... What's everyone's thoughts?
 
where is dr drew when ya need him????hes a very smart feller and i ike listening to him eventhough i disagree with a few things he has established as 'set in 'stone'....

well, id have imagine i have the gene for opiate addiction, yet i am clean without counseling, NA, or whatever...no methadone or subuxone either cuz lets be honest, that isnt clean.... no special tricks either/....i have alcoholism in my famil yet i he never had a problem with booze..strictly for social situations, nothing more..addiction is very complex and we will never know th answers t all our questions....i do know this though, i have 2 buddies that get very sick when they are around cowpies for too long..
 
They may not be "cures" but some examples are naltrexone, methadone
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What is the term for such medicines? Treatments? I know things like this exist for cancer and AIDS.

And CR, if you don't want me "assuming the wrong thing" you should avoid making open-ended, vague responses in the future.
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I was not aware that there was a cure for addiction. It wasn't exactly a vague, open-ended question, but then again maybe this whole topic is. You could say I was playing devil's advocate.

[EDIT- Please don't start this in here; save it for CEP] -Pdx
 
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its odd to consider methadone or sub a cure or even treatment, as its basically feeding the same affliction, only now thru a controlled/legal/cheap setting....

there is no cure, doubt there ever will be one..onl way to 'cure' this problem to prevent it, and the only way to go about that is re-wiring peoples brains to get them to understand they are not invincible and that YES it can happen to them!
 
there is no cure, doubt there ever will be one..onl way to 'cure' this problem to prevent it, and the only way to go about that is re-wiring peoples brains to get them to understand they are not invincible and that YES it can happen to them!
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Does that mean it is a disease with no cure or that it is not a disease at all?
 
belfort said:
its odd to consider methadone or sub a cure or even treatment, as its basically feeding the same affliction, only now thru a controlled/legal/cheap setting....
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I'd consider anything that keeps an addict off the street a step in the right direction. Some people just can't stay clean on their own and require MMT; some for life. Unfortunate but it's the reality.
 
^im curious as to why some wil need methadone frever as oposed t others who manage to stay clean on their own...i know many people who have tried everything(many times over) and are truly desperate to get clean but cant...they have ruined their lives but still cant clean themselves up.some even have the assistance of methadone or buprenex....now, is it that they have this disease, or they lack will power, or do they have a natual lack of endorphns, do they just lack the ability to cope with life problems, or what is it???i dont have answer....
 
exactly....some peopel stop on their own, some people need 12 steps and some people never clean up...so how can that be. if addiction is a gripping disesase that cant be controlled, aint your fault, and takes over you, like people area saying, then in theory all people should be like the 3rd scenario there...no one would be able to take responsibility. but some do...

But that whole "re wiring with NA" shit is just mental methadone. ITs replacing those circuits with something that is basically making the effect of the drug numb by repeating the same thoughts over and over that you dont want it and wont do it until you believe it....same as methadone blocking the pathways for dope....
 
[EDIT- Don't post this bullshit in here] -Pdx
 
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Uh...damn...what the FUCK does that have to do with the thread. quit posting on xanax! lol.
 
if addiction is a disease...people are fucking assholes

for example, if i had cancer, i would be treated with sympathy, compassion and respect

if i had an addiction, i would probably be stereotyped against, bitched at, and casted out from society

cops wont arrest cancer patients for recieving treating
but they will arrest a coke addict who is recieving cocaine...

if addiction indeed is a disease just like AIDS or cancer, addicts shouldnt be treated like shit by the government and society
 
[EDIT - Off topic remarks removed] - Pdx
 
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Everyone mis understood me. I beleive addiction is a disease yes. But what I meant was that you wouldnt be addicted had you been responsible.
 
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