Is A.I. waiting to take over ?

[4DQSAR]

I do keep saying this but some people have developed what they term 'tar pits' that are designed to trap webcrawlers so they endlessly circle through directories that are also subdirectories of themseves. At the moment I suspect that whoever develops the crawlers uses site metrics to detect the likely presence of tarpits.

But equally, and especailly since chatbots are able to produce an almost infinite stream of realistic-looking text, it would not be difficult for someone to sort of merge the two ideas to poison the datasets.

As I have noted, ATM at least, anything behind a paywall isn't crawled as I assume detection could be an extremely costly mistake. But what are the economics of crawlers? Even if it only cost a penny to read a news outlet for a month, those pennies wouldn's add up to much for most users, but I sense WOULD make crawling very costly.

BTW I note chatbots are now cheeky enough to demand we prove ourselves to be human. I fully expect endshitification where people have to pay. That would futher undermine education as the kid who can affort the powerful chatbot has a distinct advantage over the kid that does not. So I've asked the few questions I really wanted quick answers for - using them just as natural language search engines. But oh my goodness, how slimy they are saying what a genius I am...

 

[4DQSAR]

A tangled web of deals stokes AI bubble fears in Silicon Valley

Some are worried that the rapid rise in the value of AI tech companies may be a bubble waiting to burst.

www.bbc.co.uk

I've actually read quite a few people suggesting that the latest generation of AI isn't the huge leap previous generations were and that the black box problem means it's now unclear if it can be significantly improved - at least at the break-neck speed it previously advanced at.

Even before the term AI had been coined, there were large computers using hundreds of thousands (and now I imagine millions) of 'agents' that were used to model economics. But people often seem to confuse AI with chatbots. I suggest that there is a lot of niche software that works using similar techniques but aren't 'exciting' out there doing it's stuff. But those businesses likely don't have PR departments or an ad budget.

As it is, everyone seems to think that writing software was and is 'the killer app' for AI so people who went into business on that basis may be fine. I also mentioned it likely that AI databases on academic subjects would be packaged up so rich kids rather than smart kids would succeed in futher eduction. But that said, the truth is that in many nations, only rich kids can afford futher education anyway.

 

[4DQSAR]

Bank of England warns of growing risk that AI bubble could burst

Possibility of ‘sharp market correction has increased’, says Bank’s financial policy committee

www.theguardian.com

 

[unodelacosa]

I also mentioned it likely that AI databases on academic subjects would be packaged up so rich kids rather than smart kids would succeed in futher eduction. But that said, the truth is that in many nations, only rich kids can afford futher education anyway.

At the same time, never before has information been so easy to obtain as it is today. Granted it's not formal academic education, per se, but if you can read you can teach yourself anything provided sufficient incentive/drive to learn the subject in question. Hell even if you couldn't read, the vast number of video tutorials on le interwebz is staggering.

While it's still usually an advantage having formal education over not, experience and a track record of success will almost always win over formal education. Regardless, the wealthy continue to have advantages over the non-wealthy. To me, that stands to reason. And it's probably indicative that I'm from the U.S., a New Yorker to boot. In the U.S., wealth and class are nearly synonymous (which, yes, is often quite tacky), which is unlike how it is in the U.K. where it matters less how much money you have and matters more how you make your money. The U.S. has just three classes: the poor, the working/middle class, and the rich upperclass. In the U.K. there's the poor, then there's a working class, after that is a middle class who wants nothing more than to become a part of the rich elite class or upper class. And finally there are the various royals and nobility who kind of sit above it all, definitely more layers to the social fractionating column when distilling society.

What's crazy is how much AI has improved scammers' game globally…

 

[Jnowhere]

NO! The traits that a human has; that makes a lot more possible in terms of good and evil and ambition. The ambitions and unique inspirations of artists and even regular people. The types of things that make humans; human, cannot be programmed.

I am not Catholic but for this let's look at this through the 7 deadly sins. Why; because so much of what drives us can also be sinful.

1. lust; computers and machines have no desire to hump.( that word is just amusing to me) And what if they did? It is no like 2 machines can have sex and reproduce. Basically my Samsung ain't going to get horny and try humping your iphone and 9 months later a small flip phone or blackberry will squeeze through the charging port; that will one day grow up to be a smartphone or maybe if it is gifted, a laptop.( the old school ones with dvd or blu-ray player if they are fat but have a good personality).

In many cases you have men who work hard and try to very successful so they can get rich. Money and power unfortunately attract a lot of women. This can be a huge motivational factor.
Look at all the stupid things horny men do.

2. Greed can be good for business, however not recommended for established businesses or crowded markets.
Greed; many chicks dig guys with money. This ties in with lust.

3.Envy; Machines don't get jealous. Jealousy can be a great motivator to work hard( money) or too improve ones self. My toaster has never complained about me not using it much. Nor has it expressed jealousy of other small more used kitchen appliances.

4.Gluttony; other than apps that take up a lot of storage space; my electronics have never been gluttons.

5.Wrath; this one I am not so sure of. I wonder sometimes if electronics are out to get me. Revenge is not something computers and phones naturally do. I know it seems like it sometimes.

6. Sloth; machines don't complain as much. They may break or shut down but it is not usually intentional laziness. Also what good would exercise do it?. Also they say necessity is the mother of invention? What about laziness? That is a great motivator to invent; knowing how lazy people can be; can be profitable and grow the economy and advance technologies.

7 Pride; who would try to program a machine with the stubborn characteristics that contribute to a lot to illogical thoughts. Pride the cause of so much evil, stupidity, waste, inhumanity, ect.

My point is not that sin is good. It is not. However, these mostly negative characteristics help shape, change and even in strange ways shape our lives. Machines do not and will not have the same aspirations and goals. What makes us unique will never be fully realized by machines nor are they a threat in; The Terminator, sense.

Machines and Technology( A.I. and other technologies are only threat in how and if you use them). The real threat to humanity by A.I. is in how man handles this technology. Not to mention that; the sense of humanity we all should have, that seems to be being eroded by technology. I wouldn't recommend buying Cyberdyne Systems stock( if it existed, lol). Oh no the machines are going to rise up and take over. lol

 

[4DQSAR]

What's crazy is how much AI has improved scammers' game globally…

I think that should tell us how many potential scammers there are who were too ignorant to make it all work.

I've seen some examples where unless one really KNOWS a subject, would seem entirely available.

The one recall was some discussion of 'chem-trails' and whoever the mod was presented what they said was a Van Gogh which showed chem-trails. The thing is, I used to visit the Van Gogh museum weekly for almost two years and I didn't recognize it. So I used the website associated with the museum that has images but all but four of the paintings by Van Gogn and still couldn't find it.

But what many people don't know is that the style Van Gogh painted in changed over his lifetime and the proported image was sort of an average of those styles. But no surprise when I point out the image is almost certainly a fake and if not, what is the title (since the four missing paintings still have names). I got banned.

To be clear, I don't believe in any chem-trails conspiracy but using AI fakes to support your position just robbed you of any ethical high ground. So I was glad that it took a good 20 hours for me to be banned and I explained my logic as I did above and a lot of people saw it.

Now I would use Tin Eye and ask why that supposed Van Gogh wasn't all over the internet (as all his pictures are) but back then, I had to do it the long way.

 

[Vanilla_Incense]

A tangled web of deals stokes AI bubble fears in Silicon Valley

Some are worried that the rapid rise in the value of AI tech companies may be a bubble waiting to burst.

www.bbc.co.uk

I've actually read quite a few people suggesting that the latest generation of AI isn't the huge leap previous generations were and that the black box problem means it's now unclear if it can be significantly improved - at least at the break-neck speed it previously advanced at.

Even before the term AI had been coined, there were large computers using hundreds of thousands (and now I imagine millions) of 'agents' that were used to model economics. But people often seem to confuse AI with chatbots. I suggest that there is a lot of niche software that works using similar techniques but aren't 'exciting' out there doing it's stuff. But those businesses likely don't have PR departments or an ad budget.

As it is, everyone seems to think that writing software was and is 'the killer app' for AI so people who went into business on that basis may be fine. I also mentioned it likely that AI databases on academic subjects would be packaged up so rich kids rather than smart kids would succeed in futher eduction. But that said, the truth is that in many nations, only rich kids can afford futher education anyway.

The latest AI isnt a huge leap its more so specific applications with tweaks from older AI algorithms/models to make performance on a specific task really impressive. A really good example is AlphaGeometry. Since Transformers in 2017 there haven't been any major architectural improvements to AI, just minor tweaks to existing models that can drastically improve performance e.g. StyleGAN.

Personally I believe AGI is a bit of an exaggeration as long as no extreme break throughs occur.

 

[4DQSAR]

Without a doubt software that works in the same ways as AI have been around for a lot longer than the buzzword and indeed are amazingly good when dealing with some narrow fields.

I just note that many people appear to be saying that the 'killer app' remains programming. I suggest that the various companies who have developed their own AI presumed that each generation would be a huge improvement on the last have all realized that for some unknown (black box?) reason, it failed to happen.

I lived through the .com boom/bust and it was truly incredible that venture capital would fund almost any on-line business, regardless of how unsustainable it was. So I suggest we are going to see a 'correction' and as I previously noted, those businesses who found the most appropriate markets will be fine, the others not fine. In fact, if I was investing I would expect to see those specialist businesses to be undervalued for a while because nobody had paid attention to the products too closely.

 

[Vanilla_Incense]

Without a doubt software that works in the same ways as AI have been around for a lot longer than the buzzword and indeed are amazingly good when dealing with some narrow fields.

I just note that many people appear to be saying that the 'killer app' remains programming. I suggest that the various companies who have developed their own AI presumed that each generation would be a huge improvement on the last have all realized that for some unknown (black box?) reason, it failed to happen.

I lived through the .com boom/bust and it was truly incredible that venture capital would fund almost any on-line business, regardless of how unsustainable it was. So I suggest we are going to see a 'correction' and as I previously noted, those businesses who found the most appropriate markets will be fine, the others not fine. In fact, if I was investing I would expect to see those specialist businesses to be undervalued for a while because nobody had paid attention to the products too closely.

I didn't live through the dot com bubble but I reckon AI will probably have a similar fate. It is super useful if you know how to use it though

 

[Shady's Fox]

I didn't live through the dot com bubble but I reckon AI will probably have a similar fate. It is super useful if you know how to use it though

Let's be clear, this is not artificial intelligence, is a demo language model who can kill you if you listen very careful.

These things were made to expand the bitcoin market initially but then they evolved into mainstream mining hives. They maintain their stability and core foundation by altering the principle scale of various beliefs. This shit has no knowledge and its main purpose is to fill up the developer pocket so he can get a cavity clean is that simple.

Now as you see around you, if, you have a versatile cercle of friends irl, that they are a slave to this form of manipulation by either using a browser or a tool on their device which implemented this data collection. It's a reason why around 2026? Microsoft intends to slap Windows 7 mouth with essentially "We're doing mining resources but since you ain't on 11, is no issue, we can apply same temperature here". Yes. A decent proportion of what consist of a OS become a massive resource eater that some might think is an app or maybe RAM leaks, when these are real-data hardware minings that you gratefully add to Y company and that company has X desire to...

One example, is Ladybird Alpha. So is a unix environment browser with none to maybe chances to a Windows port. They have a fragment of sponsors, that contribute to this shit, at least so it seems at first. Now where is the AI? is within the main salepoint "a new browser engine". These sponsors are also slave to Perplexity monopoly.

Last actual non AI real engine that was extremely powerful was Microsoft Trident, this back in 2010's, specific, 2014.

Then all of sudden America is afraid of China but lets both intel and nvidia ship equipment. You fail to realize this is a financial war willingly let be by all around the globe leaders.

 

[Vanilla_Incense]

Let's be clear, this is not artificial intelligence, is a demo language model who can kill you if you listen very careful.

These things were made to expand the bitcoin market initially but then they evolved into mainstream mining hives. They maintain their stability and core foundation by altering the principle scale of various beliefs. This shit has no knowledge and its main purpose is to fill up the developer pocket so he can get a cavity clean is that simple.

Now as you see around you, if, you have a versatile cercle of friends irl, that they are a slave to this form of manipulation by either using a browser or a tool on their device which implemented this data collection. It's a reason why around 2026? Microsoft intends to slap Windows 7 mouth with essentially "We're doing mining resources but since you ain't on 11, is no issue, we can apply same temperature here". Yes. A decent proportion of what consist of a OS become a massive resource eater that some might think is an app or maybe RAM leaks, when these are real-data hardware minings that you gratefully add to Y company and that company has X desire to...

One example, is Ladybird Alpha. So is a unix environment browser with none to maybe chances to a Windows port. They have a fragment of sponsors, that contribute to this shit, at least so it seems at first. Now where is the AI? is within the main salepoint "a new browser engine". These sponsors are also slave to Perplexity monopoly.

Last actual non AI real engine that was extremely powerful was Microsoft Trident, this back in 2010's, specific, 2014.

Then all of sudden America is afraid of China but lets both intel and nvidia ship equipment. You fail to realize this is a financial war willingly let be by all around the globe leaders.

You alright?

 

[helpingout]

You alright?

No, bird brains for brains, ;-), they think that artificial intelligence is being used to foster a global transfer of wealth permanently away from the poor using bitcoin.

I mean how could anyone be fucking alright if that’s what they believed was happening! What if it was your family about to sell their house for a paltry sum in order to secure employment and lodging in a bitlords weirdly sarcastic house that unironically has American slave memorabilia everywhere. Technocrats are fucking weird man.

Maybe dudes really having a very bad time.

 

[Vanilla_Incense]

No, bird brains for brains, ;-), they think that artificial intelligence is being used to foster a global transfer of wealth permanently away from the poor using bitcoin.

I mean how could anyone be fucking alright if that’s what they believed was happening! What if it was your family about to sell their house for a paltry sum in order to secure employment and lodging in a bitlords weirdly sarcastic house that unironically has American slave memorabilia everywhere. Technocrats are fucking weird man.

Maybe dudes really having a very bad time.

Thats kind of happening with western governments pushing to make everyone use digital ID's but that has nothing to do with bitcoin . Use cash and Monero to stay anonymous my friends

 

[4DQSAR]

Thats kind of happening with western governments pushing to make everyone use digital ID's but that has nothing to do with bitcoin . Use cash and Monero to stay anonymous my friends

I've lived in a couple of nations that use ID cards and at least where infrastructure allows for it, they are digital.

I'm personally gutted because I had to spend £150 to get a passport since in the UK at least, it's almost impossible to open a bank account and all sorts of other things without ID... and passports or driving licence appear to be the ONLY ID that is acceptable. I actually wondered if the government's intent was to make life impossible without a passport which the bearer has to pay for themselves.

I have epilepsy so can't drive but a blue badge isn't acceptable as ID.

But if you have a passport, they HAVE all of your biometric data already.

Don't be surprised if they TRY to make people pay for ID.

 

[unodelacosa]

I didn't live through the dot com bubble but I reckon AI will probably have a similar fate. It is super useful if you know how to use it though

It's definitely useful as long as you understand its limits and flaws. Some ppl won't see past these though. As to the AI Bubble, all I can say is: people are more aware of tech investment bubbles these days in 2025, but then again, tech investors seem to enjoy kicking themselves in the face periodically, so it will probably still rollercoaster up and down a few times.

Don't be surprised if they TRY to make people pay for ID.

We pay for IDs in the U.S. No surprise there. It's almost a wonder it hasn't been privatized in the U.S. for chrissakes where the attitude seems to be: privatize ALL the things! … and either way, taxpayers are funding it I suppose. There are no free rides in this world.

I mean how could anyone be fucking alright if that’s what they believed was happening

For reals though… But, I think the question was almost rhetorical. Not to make light of it, but that was just funny to me how you worded it… I have a friend who's current struggling with schizophrenia. One takeaway I have from experiences like this is: goddamn, the mind is profoundly powerful.

 

[Shady's Fox]

@unodelacosa

You can ask your schizophrenic friend if their on meds, I dunno what meds exactly but guess antipsychotics, to embody his remarks on this. Is a war on medicine, sick people getting sicker, healthcare system expand their advanced system into x labels. Such as not being able to, even be looked at, in ER, without a healthcare insurance. If you have other issues than a heart attack, or serious diseases then you're walking whilist still. I had a similar issue back when I couldn't swallow, I have insurance and pay both to state and private, and there was a systemic issue back few months ago(march) and they made me search my pocket to give me some Ospen which did fuck all.

Initially this is one sentence answer. Financial war=depopulation. Is a reason why stomatology is not considered medicine and this was way before language models were a public representation of certain audits groups.

 

[unodelacosa]

You can ask your schizophrenic friend if their on meds, I dunno what meds exactly but guess antipsychotics, to embody his remarks on this.

Well that's kind of the issue – they don't seem to want to admit to themselves that they're experiencing delusions of persecution and delusions of grandeur whilst exhibiting classic symptoms of dopamine-based mental disorders: slacking in personal grooming and hygiene, color coding things unnecessarily, ceaselessly writing notes on their perceived persecutions, correlating the death dates of certain celebrities to significant "anniversaries" in his life and claiming that this is govt.'s way of sending him death threats through a secret code language written in dates.

I'm like, "Why wouldn't the govt. just kill you already instead of making all these death threats for the last nine years?"

He claims it's because if they killed him, it would set off World War III. This fundamentally makes no sense, but he refuses to see it and can't accept that his perceptions are inaccurate due to a dopamine disorder… He's quite stubborn and he also literally thinks he's the most intelligent person on the planet and won't hesitate to tell people this and proclaim his genius.

Such as not being able to, even be looked at, in ER, without a healthcare insurance

In my experience, if someone has a medical emergency, the ER will not turn that person away, insured or not. How the bill is handled differs from case to case, but someone will look at you and hear your medical issue if you present one to the ER.

they made me search my pocket to give me some Ospen which did fuck all.

Do you mean they made you empty your pockets? And also Ospen is an antibiotic treating various infections.

Initially this is one sentence answer.

Yeah, this happens to me too sometimes.

 

[Shady's Fox]

But is reality, so many clueless people all of sudden got online and have undocumented informations about certain security gridlines when is nothing of this at all. Now mental diseases are subjective, you're on a harm-reduction forum, some people here/outside the forum with the same affection, can be capable of tyin two words. Other might not or not at all. Simple as good afternoon.
The medical system is a global spread spider-web that keeps trapping people in need, and that's one of the things they do, and the Ospen did fuck all but you know what happens.. their docs, high salaries similar to mine more or less.. is the i drink coffee and wash my hands and buy 100eur hand creams type life.

ospen(Penicillin V) is a antibiotic which mainly targets ORL issues such as tonsilitis and isn't always promising since it only aims gram-positive bacterias and certain complications can alter the disease itself, then it either goes to I.V penicilin G or other broad-spectrum. I haven't had nothing in my throat, I dunno what the fuck happend exactly, I do got teeth issues but that's something else and some things I've happend to notice even after, I went on with the extraction of my infected teeths.

My lymph node on the left side is still fucked so meh. Point being a lot of clueless doctors all around, more money for fuck all, less tech. more diseases.

In these 30 years tech hasn't advanced at all and will not unless we hit year 2200 if something of our DNA does exist, internet goes nowhere, software and hardware. Is the very reason why people think windows security updates are linked to hollow loopholes within the OS, an OS is not a armour is simply a interface to another layer of code that you keep writing on.(64-bit).
and same people will be the very first to wilt if something happens to them.

 

[Electrum1]

Since the 1970's genome sequencing tech has become much easier and cheaper to produce

 

[Shady's Fox]

genome sequencing tech

and