Is A.I. waiting to take over ?

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i'm reading two different sides on the education... i really don't know.. i think you are right that 100% automated is not the way to go, and it's always good for kids to meet all different types of adults aside from it's a different type of learning, so human teachers are always going to be good... but with the below comment, maybe AI and learning programs help get the stuff into the kids heads.... probably have a part of the day with AI and then a more social time of day with the teachers.

i feel like teachers can be kind of distracting. i just get cought up on people's personalities and don't really focus... i think i'd've been slow growing up in an AI learning environment too though, maybe a computer program would be even more boring to me... that's interesting though about catering to different learning styles.. maybe that could've helped me.

The issue is with the way the education system itself operates though, and AI is not a remedy to that. It's a bureaucrats solution to a problem that they don't even fully understand, that they can never understand, because they will never see the problem through the human lens. The same goes for AI in medicine, they think that people will actually accept talking to an automated kiosk about their health, that people want that solution when they don't.. they want human interaction, the intuition of the doctor, the compassion and understanding..

It's this fundamental misunderstanding of humanness. Children learn best through play, that has been known for a long time. But it is at complete odds with the factory assembly line education system we have in the West. Again (see post above) we're just trying to hyper-optimize a problem that has structural flaws that can't be optimized away, and the establishment just want to squeeze the last few drops of productivity out of humans while steadfastly refusing to admit their system is broken at a fundamental level.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Yeah that should be peoples default assumption to be honest. But in this case, I don't actually believe they have.. and the reason why is because we see the tremendous hardware, electricity, and general ecosystem required to even get to what we have now with GPT etc. I think they need this to be pushed forward by the public facing private sector, because it's just too much of a big nut to crack alone.

Excellent point. If the gov't/military were trying to do it in secret, the power required couldn't be hidden. I think you're spot on that they HAVE to make this a public effort for that reason alone.

I don't believe AGI is possible at all. And even if it was, or let's say a more advanced LLM than what we see currently, do we really believe this will be placed into public circulation? Not a chance!

This is part of what has intrigued me about the AI chat bots that have been shared to the public. Someone is using them nefariously - help them make their own AI bots for evil planning, having the AI teach them how to do bad things for their own gain and perhaps even automating some of it for the human so it is faster and possibly one step removed from identifying them. Stuxnet comes to mind, and while that was a gov't controlled attack, what is to stop Average Joe from using AI to develop and launch similar weapons - against Tesla or DOGE, against the DNC, against Australia in hopes to trigger a war. AI is an incredibly powerful tool, and like any other tool it can be used for good or bad. It has been interesting they let the public play with it.

It's not about convenience, it's about total control over the mind of every individual.

Here's my concern, as an extension of your statement. Musk's Nueralink and other companies like them are working on chips implanted in brains that can help overcome physical handicaps. This has tremendous upside in terms of helping those who have lost functionality in limbs or are paralyzed, perhaps even helping with blindness or auditory defects. However, the tech we've discussed to date in this thread is implementing AI in the real world, this is putting it in a human's brain. I don't think I'd ever want such an implant as I fear being held hostage - can't pay your bills? We'll turn it off. Enemy of the State (by who's definition?)? Turn it off. Tremendous upside, tremendous risk accepting it blindly.

 

[marcoman]

We arel engaging into something that has the potentital to benefit us or wipe us out of existence as a species. It's like playing with dynamite. I'm an old man, I'm glad I won't be here. Plus I'be in real home - far away from this fuking prison plant. Slavery never went away, it was ust altered. We're all fukn slaves to the system created by the few. Attack me for my opinion but too often - reality isnt pretty. Just obey. Youre not free at all.

And btw they're already fkng around alterning DNA in tremendous proportions. Do you really think the only thing they've done was clone a sheep? Dont forget about all these mRNA experiments either?

Musk is a wolf in sheep clothes. Just watch it unfold.

 

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Excellent point. If the gov't/military were trying to do it in secret, the power required couldn't be hidden. I think you're spot on that they HAVE to make this a public effort for that reason alone.

And it's also that they can't just make AI out of nothing. Even if they have say the best minds working in Area 51, they can't just magically conjure it out of thin air like "Ok lads, ready, steady, GO!". You can't force innovation of something that has no precedent already, with these kinds of massive technological leaps forward anyway.

"It was the best of times. It was the blurst of times!!". That's the Mr Burns approach of 1000 monkeys at 1000 typewriters, in the hopes of producing a great novel. Innovation just doesn't work like that

This is part of what has intrigued me about the AI chat bots that have been shared to the public. Someone is using them nefariously - help them make their own AI bots for evil planning, having the AI teach them how to do bad things for their own gain and perhaps even automating some of it for the human so it is faster and possibly one step removed from identifying them. Stuxnet comes to mind, and while that was a gov't controlled attack, what is to stop Average Joe from using AI to develop and launch similar weapons - against Tesla or DOGE, against the DNC, against Australia in hopes to trigger a war. AI is an incredibly powerful tool, and like any other tool it can be used for good or bad. It has been interesting they let the public play with it.

I would be willing to bet that all the public facing AI systems were built with pipelines in them that feed back into the military industrial complex, 100%. Like all the social media platforms, and the internet itself. If you're entering into chatGPT "How to kill the president" or something then it will flag it somewhere in some agency. It's just a no brainer, of course they would do that. Prior to Snowden that could be dismissed as paranoid, but not anymore.

Here's my concern, as an extension of your statement. Musk's Nueralink and other companies like them are working on chips implanted in brains that can help overcome physical handicaps. This has tremendous upside in terms of helping those who have lost functionality in limbs or are paralyzed, perhaps even helping with blindness or auditory defects. However, the tech we've discussed to date in this thread is implementing AI in the real world, this is putting it in a human's brain. I don't think I'd ever want such an implant as I fear being held hostage - can't pay your bills? We'll turn it off. Enemy of the State (by who's definition?)? Turn it off. Tremendous upside, tremendous risk accepting it blindly.

You'd have to be a fucking moron to ever allow a mind-machine interface into your body, paralysis cases aside. Lol there's just no way that is ever going to end well. I mean chances are you'll develop some sort of brain cancer before they even go totalitarian on you anyway.. putting EMF producing circuits inside the body, which is electrical by nature, is just asking for trouble. And it's such an insult to nature anyway.. like have you even tapped the limits of your own potential first, before desiring to become a borg? It reminds me of this latest craze for that injectable fat loss thing, and now people are getting serious health complications from it.. like you can't get something for nothing, you can't short change nature, it doesn't work like that. Absolute ignorance to think we know better than nature.

 

[marcoman]

I think people will line up for miles for an internet brainchip. Just like they did for the jab.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I think people will line up for miles for an internet brainchip. Just like they did for the jab.

Agreed. There's always people out there with enough desperation or delusion for anything.

Extending this a bit to what should be another thread - Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) is on par with China's economic system in that it is digitally controlled, meaning like the brain-chip I mentioned above it can be turned on/off or restricted though programming at the whim of whoever is in power at the time. China used during Covid to restrict people from using public transportation, similar to (Israel I believe?) on having a Covid pass in order to use transit. There is a fear that for the sake of convenience people may one day have a chip implanted (wrist) that can scan and is essentially your digital ID for wallet, passports, etc. Take the bus (scan) and ride to meet friends for dinner, then pay for your meal (scan), etc. I've not seen anyone propose this formally, only tinfoil theories from the right of where CBDC might go based on China's use of it. Again, if you tie everything you own, access, are defined by, into that one 'convenient' chip....how easy is it to exclude you from work, society, food? While there are people always willing to try things, I suspect this amount of individual control would have to be forced upon a society, likely after they shifted to digital currency only.

 

[marcoman]

Agreed. There's always people out there with enough desperation or delusion for anything.

Extending this a bit to what should be another thread - Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) is on par with China's economic system in that it is digitally controlled, meaning like the brain-chip I mentioned above it can be turned on/off or restricted though programming at the whim of whoever is in power at the time. China used during Covid to restrict people from using public transportation, similar to (Israel I believe?) on having a Covid pass in order to use transit. There is a fear that for the sake of convenience people may one day have a chip implanted (wrist) that can scan and is essentially your digital ID for wallet, passports, etc. Take the bus (scan) and ride to meet friends for dinner, then pay for your meal (scan), etc. I've not seen anyone propose this formally, only tinfoil theories from the right of where CBDC might go based on China's use of it. Again, if you tie everything you own, access, are defined by, into that one 'convenient' chip....how easy is it to exclude you from work, society, food? While there are people always willing to try things, I suspect this amount of individual control would have to be forced upon a society, likely after they shifted to digital currency only.

I believe that's a big part of Klaus Schwabs World Economic Forum plans. WEF is no conspiracy theory.

 

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I think people will line up for miles for an internet brainchip. Just like they did for the jab.

This is assuming of course that the jab wasn't actually the brainchip already lol (?).

 

[marcoman]

This is assuming of course that the jab wasn't actually the brainchip already lol (?).

possible yes...it would have to be pretty small (nothig like the chips theu use on dogs) otherwise you'd be able to feel it and it should up on x-ray. I stayed far away from that entire jab fiasco and watched the sheep in thei cars getting poisoned in drive thru set-ups here in Colorado. It blew my mind that so many people bought into it and what a damn shame they also blackmailed people to get it (to keep their jobs)

During that plandemic I did not comply at all and never wore a fkn mask and went about my normal shopping, chores in public etc. I had a bandana, flipped it up to get in then pulled it down once inside. I got sick from whatever that lab-made flu thing was and recovered with full immunity. # days of typical flu symtoms but about 3 weeks of a weird dry cough and tired. No biggy. And no jab. I feel bad for all the people who were blackmailed as they had to have it to keep their jobs. And I feel even for babies and children who were forced to be subjected to it. A controversial topic, I'll stop there, won't debate about it and won't engage in attempting to prove my opinion, backed by my own research.. I will state and beleive they are going make sure everyone will be exposed to it..whether they put it in the food, other vaccines, or it could have type of shedding where the jabbed will transfer to the unjabbed. Again, don't expect me "debate" or "prove" my opinions. That's all I'll say. People either think it's toxic AF and others think it was the holy grail and it saved the human species. And 99% of people will never change their minds.

 

[thujone]

i don't understand all this fearmongering about ai.

how is it a tool of control? i just download the models and run it at home.

who is controlling me if i can do with it what i want?

the fearmongering about neuralink is equally incomprehensible.

it's an input device. it won't be able to control your mind any more than a keyboard could hold your fingers ransom

 

[4DQSAR]

One can reasonably argue that computers took over decades ago. I do appreciate that a 2 hour 46 minute video is a BIG ask, but truly, unless you are old enough to remember these events, you can't really understand how vastly society HAS been altered by them. Even IF you were there, you really had to be an avid media analyst to understand how we are ordered not by governments but by business.

They lie.

We know they lie.

We claim to care.

Yet we don't.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I travel to China for work at times. My counterparts there have explained how they have 4 cameras for every citizen. It's complete 'big brother' which keeps crime to near nothing. Nobody steals, nobody defies road laws, because if you did the cameras would identify the offense, follow you home, and have police there shortly after you arrive. No way they have enough police for this camera work, it has to be AI.

In traveling there, the Shangai airport (and perhaps some US ones now) didn't scan my plane ticket. They had facial scanners that identified you inline and passed you thru or not.

Ohio case could redefine legal standards for police use of facial recognition | Biometric Update

The case has become a flashpoint in the ongoing national debate over the use of facial recognition in criminal investigations.

www.biometricupdate.com

So, now Ohio is dealing with a proposed use of AI and facial recognition to identify people. The premise is they used a camera nearby a crime to get images of the suspect, ran it thru AI facial recognition, and used that to go pick him up on probable cause. I believe they built their database by scraping facebook and other social media, but the legal issue at hand is if they can use the incedental cameras to collect images for crimes. In many states, you can be speeding and they snap a picture of your plate and mail the ticket to the car owner (may not have been the driver, prove it!). But other states won't allow that, they insist the ticket can't be given unless an actual cop is there to see the crime. Similar application here - no cop present, but you have incedental images that can help....can they be used?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Predicting, through AI, who is likely to commit a crime.

Now, when the algorithms start matching crime statistics on who is likely to commit crimes by race, will the AI be thrown out as being racist? Even if it is just taking what information is available and using it in an unbiased (?) manner? Hell, the thought police are arriving to the UK soon.

 

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Predicting, through AI, who is likely to commit a crime.

They better not use the BBC as training data or they'll be flagging every old white guy as a nonce.

 

[alasdairm]

Predicting, through AI, who is likely to commit a crime.

i saw that movie already

when the algorithms start matching crime statistics on who is likely to commit crimes by race, will the AI be thrown out as being racist?

when?

let's have that discussion if it happens?

alasdair

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I think it will certainly have the capacity to, but I don't think it's currently PLANNING it. It's not actually sentient.

 

[Quasimoto]

No, corporations and billionaires are waiting to use AI to takeover.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

They better not use the BBC as training data or they'll be flagging every old white guy as a nonce.

If they're using BBC training data, it's more likely they be covering UP for every old white guy nonce.

 

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No, corporations and billionaires are waiting to use AI to takeover.

This is why they're chucking a trillion dollars at the whole enterprise. To hell with the environmental costs of it too. They don't care, because AI represents the best shot the global elite will ever have at enforcing a global tyranny.. it would allow micromanagement of entire populations by merging all digital systems under one system.

 

[Quasimoto]

This is why they're chucking a trillion dollars at the whole enterprise. To hell with the environmental costs of it too. They don't care, because AI represents the best shot the global elite will ever have at enforcing a global tyranny.. it would allow micromanagement of entire populations by merging all digital systems under one system.

That's the thing about Trump's "bring manufacturing back to the US". Everyone cheers. The part he leaves out is they will build factories and staff it with AI and robots, not humans. Jokes on them. Morons.