Is A.I. waiting to take over ?

[TheLoveBandit]

"wonder what we'll do to address that?"

It's the largest deployment in history — Meta, Amazon and Google team up to produce 1 million MW

Amazon, Meta, and Google have come together to make a pledge towards the largest deployment ever, powered by nuclear energy. How have tech giants made the pledge?

www.ecoportal.net

Maybe I'll need to start a separate thread.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Sticking with AI, how many are aware of the Singularity? And how close we are to it?

What Is Technological Singularity? | Built In

Technological singularity refers to a theoretical future event where rapid technological innovation leads to the creation of an uncontrollable superintelligence that transforms civilization as we know it.

builtin.com

 

[jpgrdnr]

AI ≠ AGI

 

[TheLoveBandit]

AI ≠ AGI

Correct. And for those unfamiliar with the buzz words/terms:

AI = Artificial Intelligence
ASI = Artificial Specialized Intelligence (really good at one area, but not other subjects)
AGI = Artificial General Intelligence (good at a LOT of things, able to take concepts from one area and apply the to others)

AI is where we've been playing with the chat systems, ASI is growing quickly with a focus on certain areas (ie, medicine). AGI is where human intelligence likely falls behind.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Do you guys really think AI is going to replace all high level tech and engineering jobs? I have concerns obviously, I'm getting certs currently and am going to try to go back for a Computer Science major.

I feel like its going to make jobs way more isolated, like you now are the entire team do everything.
There's all these articles about how you should socially prepared for the AI work environment.
I don't think your going to need social skills, your going to need to beat everyone to else to the position.
I feel like AI is so mediocre, It's going to make everything mediocre involving media and creativity.
All these big tech companies are like "yeah we can just chill now we don't need anyone."


I think its funny Hollywood interpretation of AI is like the Terminator movies.
I almost feel like the only way to free society from the dystopia ai is going to create, would be creating the Terminator lol.

 

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Do you guys really think AI is going to replace all high level tech and engineering jobs? I have concerns obviously, I'm getting certs currently and am going to try to go back for a Computer Science major.

Not a chance. It's not even really AI what we have now, it just sort of predicts what the next characters should be based on the previous ones (and training data). Like GPT can't even count accurately or process instructions properly. It's all marketing hype designed to stir up tremendous economic flow.

And that's not even taking into account the actual practicality of it. From a business perspective you'd have to be an absolute madman to place trust in what AI currently is. I think we'll probably see some catastrophic disasters, perhaps even involving loss of life, in the next few years due to code being pushed to production that was written by AI but not properly checked. Certainly there will be some company failures at least.

I feel like AI is so mediocre, It's going to make everything mediocre involving media and creativity.
All these big tech companies are like "yeah we can just chill now we don't need anyone.

It is so mediocre, you're not wrong. I mean the generative art stuff is kind of cool, but even then it's more of a novelty. It doesn't have depth or substance, or soul. I think we'll see this hype train go on for one or two more years before it comes crashing down, when all the billions invested turns out to yield an extremely poor return that can't be monetized in the way the CEO's led everyone to believe.

The amount of hardware, the amount of electricity that it takes to run these systems is fucking bananas. And for what? So GPT can write some half arsed prose that aren't even factually correct half the time? Or so someone can make a spicy meme of their leading politician doing something naughty? It's ridiculous.

I think it's like Facebook. The novelty cycle will peak and decline, and this time it will be even shorter lived than Facebook was. I mean how exactly does this AI that we have right now actually do anything tangible for peoples lives, besides helping children cheat on their homework? It doesn't do jack shit!

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Not a chance. It's not even really AI what we have now, it just sort of predicts what the next characters should be based on the previous ones (and training data). Like GPT can't even count accurately or process instructions properly. It's all marketing hype designed to stir up tremendous economic flow.

And that's not even taking into account the actual practicality of it. From a business perspective you'd have to be an absolute madman to place trust in what AI currently is. I think we'll probably see some catastrophic disasters, perhaps even involving loss of life, in the next few years due to code being pushed to production that was written by AI but not properly checked. Certainly there will be some company failures at least.

It is so mediocre, you're not wrong. I mean the generative art stuff is kind of cool, but even then it's more of a novelty. It doesn't have depth or substance, or soul. I think we'll see this hype train go on for one or two more years before it comes crashing down, when all the billions invested turns out to yield an extremely poor return that can't be monetized in the way the CEO's led everyone to believe.

The amount of hardware, the amount of electricity that it takes to run these systems is fucking bananas. And for what? So GPT can write some half arsed prose that aren't even factually correct half the time? Or so someone can make a spicy meme of their leading politician doing something naughty? It's ridiculous.

I think it's like Facebook. The novelty cycle will peak and decline, and this time it will be even shorter lived than Facebook was. I mean how exactly does this AI that we have right now actually do anything tangible for peoples lives, besides helping children cheat on their homework? It doesn't do jack shit!

Yeah man Jenson Huang is like eating it up right now too, I was so happy when Deepseek came out and messed with there stocks for a little bit. I was "Take that Jenson Huang" lol.

Yeah I agree you with you have to babysit it to get any good output. If you get good at prompting information though it can do some pretty crazy stuff. I hope your right that AI is just like a phase and trust in it gets lost.
You can easily generate youtube videos, Soundcloud remixes, Art and pictures. I feel like we are getting close to the real virtual reality where we don't even interact with humans anymore.

 

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Yeah but those videos, sound, and art.. even if it gets better and almost indistinguishable from human content.. it still won't cut it. People are sick of it already I think, but it would just be the ultimate polished turd. It will be crystal on the surface, but utter shite beneath. People can detect that lack of essence, of warmth, of soul, and you simply can not replicate it.

This video might interest you. I thought it was pretty interesting - I don't align with his political angle or know enough about the American state of things to call it either way, but the tech angle stuff I can totally see being true.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Yeah I agree you with you have to babysit it to get any good output

This won’t stop companies from firing everyone to save money and just putting out a shittier product

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

This won’t stop companies from firing everyone to save money and just putting out a shittier product

I know it sucks so bad I'm actually pissed about it genuinely. Whoever owns the AI, which I guess is Sam Altman I know every big tech company is coming out with an AI. There are the only people that will benefit from it.
It's already made and no one else is going to profit off it. It's not going to make a bunch of jobs for people like boomers have spouting.
It's going further divide the rich from the poor especially when the rich no longer need humans to work for them.

I will dedicate my life to trying to create the Terminator, I'd love to strong arm people with skynet that would be so funny.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I know it sucks so bad I'm actually pissed about it genuinely. Whoever owns the AI, which I guess is Sam Altman I know every big tech company is coming out with an AI. There are the only people that will benefit from it.
It's already made and no one else is going to profit off it. It's not going to make a bunch of jobs for people like boomers have spouting.
It's going further divide the rich from the poor especially when the rich no longer need humans to work for them.

I will dedicate my life to trying to create the Terminator, I'd love to strong arm people with skynet that would be so funny.

Remember like a year ago when all the tech leaders did a sort of petition warning that AI should be regulated in some way because it would surely cause the collapse of society?

Well that got brushed under the rug.

For some reason governments / special interests are still trying to force people to have more kids, yet the need for more humans is becoming less and less.

I don’t get it at all.

 

[foodcrisis]

was reading about bill gates thoughts on AI the other day, not sure if this has already been discussed.
he says the only jobs AI can't replace will be "

• Coders: The Architects of AI.
• Energy Experts: The Guardians of Power.
• Biologists: The Explorers of Life."

"“With AI, over the next decade, (intelligence) will become free, commonplace—great medical advice, great tutoring,” Gates said. While he says humans will reserve some jobs—like playing professional baseball, for example—he pictures a world where AI is doing close to everything."



jobs with hospitality will probably always be.. but will they have the option to go to a human establishment or an AI ran one.. like some people will probably prefer AI... seems kind of weird... i could see banning AI... wasn't aware of poster LucidSdreamrs comment above.

Ideally i'd like to see people low paid people getting a bit more and getting the opportunity to work a bit less... like it's going to be people don't get anything unless they are rich... they are gonna have to make it so everyone is equal or have some kind of socialist society where people can accept when a person has more because they have a reason to be doing what they are doing...

i really think psychedelic mushrooms becoming legal and sold in grocery stores would help people... like maybe make the only weed allowed to be smoked at 420 if we are running out of resources and no one has jobs... just don't let people that don't really deserve it have more than others... like certain jobs require no effort, just cause someone could get through college and learn a simple task doesn't really make them worth more imo.

i heard elon musk saying in a you tube short that college should be less years... i dunno. i think part of the thing about college is if you go for a while and get out with a good job, you pay back the teachers... i'd like to really make sure that all the info is drilled into my doctors head before they start working on me. no need to cut the time people go to school imo... another reason why i'm not really liking elon....

i think having people in society like teachers and whatever kind of reveals some people's personality... like you're not going to like an AI robots personality the same way you're going to respect a human.. meeting cool people is part of life.. AI sucks imo.

 

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“With AI, over the next decade, (intelligence) will become free, commonplace—great medical advice, great tutoring,” Gates said. While he says humans will reserve some jobs—like playing professional baseball, for example—he pictures a world where AI is doing close to everything."

He's full of shit and always has been, one of the DoD's darling little frontmen. The only truth in that quote of his is the bit about medical advice and tutoring. Not that I think it's going to come to fruition - I don't think people will stand for it - but it's clearly what they're going to try implementing; medicine and children's education.. in the hands of machines in the hands of people like Gates who harbour some really dark philosophies about humanity. Yeah, no thanks!

He's basically saying the silent part out loud. It's not about making lives better. The elites want AI because it is the ultimate managerial tool for social manipulation, they can dispense with several layers of humans that they currently need to enforce their bullshit and all the associated costs that go into raising those several layers of humans, and instead go directly to the individual.

The education part is so dark there's no way it will fly. Even the most hard headed NPC is not going to entrust their children to 100% automated education, it's just too far removed from human nature.

 

[sHR00m]

he says the only jobs AI can't replace will be "

• Coders: The Architects of AI.
• Energy Experts: The Guardians of Power.
• Biologists: The Explorers of Life."

I find that remarkably short sighted. What about construction jobs? Handymen? All of this will be done by AI? I doubt it.
On the other hand I could see the development of AI's that can code and design other AI's perfectly fine without any human intervention.
Also automation only makes sense to a point. There comes a point where the cost to automate a task exceeds the cost of a low wage worker.
There will always be some cheap, degrading shit jobs left.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

I find that remarkably short sighted. What about construction jobs? Handymen? All of this will be done by AI? I doubt it.
On the other hand I could see the development of AI's that can code and design other AI's perfectly fine without any human intervention.
Also automation only makes sense to a point. There comes a point where the cost to automate a task exceeds the cost of a low wage worker.
There will always be some cheap, degrading shit jobs left.

Actually you are correct about this. I was actually looking at maybe doing a plumbers apprentice ship. Trades will always exist as long as humanity exists. I bet AI could be use to replace workers when planning massive projects though.
Construction will feel consequences of AI but to a lesser degree than finance or software.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

The amount of hardware, the amount of electricity that it takes to run these systems is fucking bananas. And for what? So GPT can write some half arsed prose that aren't even factually correct half the time? Or so someone can make a spicy meme of their leading politician doing something naughty? It's ridiculous.

To date, AI has created fictional relatives pardoned by past presidents, created a new language so they can talk to one another more efficiently, and decided to tell real people to kill themselves. Yeah, what we got right now ain't it, but it's the beginnings. A lot starts with what data it is fed and starts building it's logic systems around - like creating images of black Nazis and Asian Vikings. Part of it is the raw starting data, part of it is the programming they are structured with and what bias those two inputs might drive. But it has to start somewhere, then get (hopefully) corrective from there - but again, wholly reliant on inputs.

I think it's like Facebook. The novelty cycle will peak and decline, and this time it will be even shorter lived than Facebook was. I mean how exactly does this AI that we have right now actually do anything tangible for peoples lives, besides helping children cheat on their homework? It doesn't do jack shit!

I'd compare it more to the iPhone, and by extension mobile phones since inception. The first ones were nifty and cool but rare and very limited in capabilities. And, there was a large hesitancy to shift to them. Over the years, they were refined, made more user friendly and added more practical functionality for the everday user. Now, nearly everyone has one - moreover most people depend upon them (can't read maps or navigate a city). I don't think it will fade to a niche group like Facebook. I think its still in its infancy - at least publicly. I am a firm believer that anything the public sees/uses has been refined much further for gov't, and to the bleeding edge for military purposes. Let's keep our fingers crossed they are setting guardrails and questioning what AI generates in those environments (looking at DOGE use of it as well).

But back to public use, there is talk of AI agents. Many of us have experienced AI chatbots for sites we visit, ones that can try to help with simple questions for a storefront, a medical agency, etc. But AI-gents are custom to YOU, they know your routines - it's all there in the networked devices you use, waiting for AI to gather it and put it to use, for your benefit of course. As an example, I've thought of an overlay for your maps, so while you are driving around if you had a note that you need to pick up some dry cleaning or groceries, it notifies you when you are near such a facility - simple, but more than we have today. Instead, what I heard on the radio was one that runs your house for you:

• A growing number of homes have a networked thermostat, programmed to raise/lower temps based on outside temp and when you leave or come home. Easy for AI to tap into that one and run it for you, especially if it is connected to your phone/alarm.
• Then, it is connected to the refrigerator. It knows how many people are in the house, what foods they take from the fridge and when. It can notify you when you need to go shopping for groceries, and even generate a list based on that use.
• Ah, but it knows you are on the scale a lot, buying diet meals, and what foods you like - it can generate some recipes based on your health needs, work those into the shopping list, and walk you thru the food prep when you're ready to try.
• Tho, let's save you the hassle, AI is connected to your bank accounts and the local grocer, it can just order those foods and have them delivered, charging to your account for you.

There's a TON of power just around the corner for using this, it just needs some time to be developed. What I'm really curious about is how and where we start setting boundaries and pushing back against AI 'helping' us out.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

You can easily generate youtube videos, Soundcloud remixes, Art and pictures. I feel like we are getting close to the real virtual reality where we don't even interact with humans anymore.

On the use of AI for images. There's a Pandora's box waiting, I think.

Like the 00's when everyone could be a music producer based on the software available (Fruity Loops, I believe?), the use of AI will enable anyone to create images and/or videos to the point of films perhaps. Production will be cheaper, and available to the masses - we'll see a further dying of the movie theaters, but also big movie productions that aren't much different/better than what some Joe did at home with AI. And distribution would be akin to tiktok or youtube - anyone can produce and put it out there. Anyone.

My bigger concern comes when we can't distinguish reality from AI. I wish there were a way to mark AI as being made by AI, and currently there are programs that can discern what's been made by AI. But in general, this will only lead to the wide array of accusations and assertion on the intenret about who said what and there's no way to tell or not.

To my earlier point, I think there will be a significant push back as people turn off devices and seek out real interactions, with nature or with others. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

What about construction jobs? Handymen? All of this will be done by AI? I doubt it.

Trades will always exist as long as humanity exists.

I think you're both correct - there is a physical limit to the use of AI. While AI can build code, and create code to make better AI, all of it relies on hardware - installed by humans, maintained by humans, powered by man made grids. This might get addressed several generations down the road if AI is implemented with robotic factories (ie, assembly lines for cars), but then extends to actually making autonomous robots, and injecting them with localized AI for both performing such manpower tasks, and constantly getting upgraded over the wifi for better intelligence.

There will long be a need for the trade skills. It's not that AI bots wouldn't be interested, they'd do what they are guided to do. But until the cost of an AI bot is lower than a tradesperson, those jobs ought to be safe.

Jumping back to where they CAN take human jobs - education. I don't have the link at hand (will provide if I find it), but some schools have implemented AI to supplement regular classwork, and it is absolutely skyrocketing the kid's education. AI can customize the lessons to match the individual's learning styles and level, it interacts 1on1 and every interaction teaches it more and more how to help that specific kid. It's incredible, and it can do a lot for future generations, but right now, it is somewhat succeptible to mis/ab-use. Several states are working feverishly on guidelines for how to best use and control it in the educational areas.

 

[foodcrisis]

He's full of shit and always has been, one of the DoD's darling little frontmen. The only truth in that quote of his is the bit about medical advice and tutoring. Not that I think it's going to come to fruition - I don't think people will stand for it - but it's clearly what they're going to try implementing; medicine and children's education.. in the hands of machines in the hands of people like Gates who harbour some really dark philosophies about humanity. Yeah, no thanks!

He's basically saying the silent part out loud. It's not about making lives better. The elites want AI because it is the ultimate managerial tool for social manipulation, they can dispense with several layers of humans that they currently need to enforce their bullshit and all the associated costs that go into raising those several layers of humans, and instead go directly to the individual.

The education part is so dark there's no way it will fly. Even the most hard headed NPC is not going to entrust their children to 100% automated education, it's just too far removed from human nature.

i'm reading two different sides on the education... i really don't know.. i think you are right that 100% automated is not the way to go, and it's always good for kids to meet all different types of adults aside from it's a different type of learning, so human teachers are always going to be good... but with the below comment, maybe AI and learning programs help get the stuff into the kids heads.... probably have a part of the day with AI and then a more social time of day with the teachers.

some schools have implemented AI to supplement regular classwork, and it is absolutely skyrocketing the kid's education. AI can customize the lessons to match the individual's learning styles and level, it interacts 1on1 and every interaction teaches it more and more how to help that specific kid. It's incredible, and it can do a lot for future generations, but right now, it is somewhat succeptible to mis/ab-use. Several states are working feverishly on guidelines for how to best use and control it in the educational areas.

i feel like teachers can be kind of distracting. i just get cought up on people's personalities and don't really focus... i think i'd've been slow growing up in an AI learning environment too though, maybe a computer program would be even more boring to me... that's interesting though about catering to different learning styles.. maybe that could've helped me.


edit: just want to say i'm mostly not for AI though... it just seems unnecessary... if they want to create it that's fine with me, but i wouldn't want to see if take over society.. i don't even like the kiosk at mcdonalds.

 

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I am a firm believer that anything the public sees/uses has been refined much further for gov't, and to the bleeding edge for military purposes. Let's keep our fingers crossed they are setting guardrails and questioning what AI generates in those environments (looking at DOGE use of it as well)

Yeah that should be peoples default assumption to be honest. But in this case, I don't actually believe they have.. and the reason why is because we see the tremendous hardware, electricity, and general ecosystem required to even get to what we have now with GPT etc. I think they need this to be pushed forward by the public facing private sector, because it's just too much of a big nut to crack alone. Much like nuclear fusion, I think it's a goal that can't actually ever be reached in a practical sense and will ultimately fail due to limitations built upon a fundamental misunderstanding of what is truly possible.

I don't believe AGI is possible at all. And even if it was, or let's say a more advanced LLM than what we see currently, do we really believe this will be placed into public circulation? Not a chance! Not a fucking chance. For the same reason that (I believe) they've kept other technology from the public such as energy generation and 'anti-gravity' stuff. They would never release something that could be turned against them, or used by the public to get away from the economic system and cause it to collapse.

This is why they're talking about medicine, education, and already you see it in surveillance technology (face and gait recognition).. basically only instances where the AI can be black-boxed and totally isolated from use by the public, and used only to further increase state control over people.

Instead, what I heard on the radio was one that runs your house for you:

• A growing number of homes have a networked thermostat, programmed to raise/lower temps based on outside temp and when you leave or come home. Easy for AI to tap into that one and run it for you, especially if it is connected to your phone/alarm.
• Then, it is connected to the refrigerator. It knows how many people are in the house, what foods they take from the fridge and when. It can notify you when you need to go shopping for groceries, and even generate a list based on that use.
• Ah, but it knows you are on the scale a lot, buying diet meals, and what foods you like - it can generate some recipes based on your health needs, work those into the shopping list, and walk you thru the food prep when you're ready to try.
• Tho, let's save you the hassle, AI is connected to your bank accounts and the local grocer, it can just order those foods and have them delivered, charging to your account for you.

There's a TON of power just around the corner for using this, it just needs some time to be developed. What I'm really curious about is how and where we start setting boundaries and pushing back against AI 'helping' us out.

I think this will fly for a percentage of people, who are in my gentle opinion completely empty headed idiots. But for the vast majority of people I do not believe it will get uptake at all. I mean what's the point? What is the god damn point. What is the point of hyper-optimizing your life when you can't even afford the basics, afford a house, forced to work a job you couldn't give a shit about, all these hyper-optimizations basically remove the last little vestiges of self-input and control over your life that remain these days.. and basically turn your entire life into one gigantic robotic obligation.

Who the fuck wants that? Who wants to live a life where you don't even have to exercise your mind, let alone your body, and all you do is just literally consume and work? People are sick of that shit now. The younger generations are already burned out on productivity and self-help gurus, "hacks", and Jordan Peterson bullshit that does absolutely nothing to resolve the big issues that genuinely hamstring your life and happiness (job, housing, social options, etc).

The way AI is presented is basically what a bunch of 80 year old WASP DoD generals and Langley sell-outs think the public will buy into - this is a global thing, just being poetic - pushed forward by a bunch of greedy tech CEOs who are willing to shill for the military industrial complex. You can see it a mile off what this is really all about. It's not about convenience, it's about total control over the mind of every individual.