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Introducing friends to drugs

* Are they on any medication or have any existing conditions that could cause problems?
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The problem here is underlying conditions, or even genetic predisposition. MDMA causes increases in body temp, BP and HR, all of which can push the envelop for anyone with a family history of stroke or heart problems.


Another, often impossible thing to ascertain is the possible impact of MDMA on previous trauma sufferers, particularly if suppressed memory is involved. Some PTSD sufferers have been known to react very badly to MDMA, at least without the proper guidance of a trained counselor. I've seen a few reactions to MDMA like this. In one case, the physical side of the reaction was extreme. Problem is, because such reactions are rare, most people don't believe MDMA can cause anxiety and subsequent physical responses. What often happens during the experience is those previously forgotten memories suddenly come back, and that can be extremely upsetting, particularly as the drug wears off.
 
I don't think I'd enjoy introducing a friend to drugs. If they were a user of drugs (any) in general and they were curious about a related drug I'd join them. However, never would I want an innocent drug free friend to enter the world of drugs with me being responsible for it. I'd feel horrendous. Now that I know the pain and suffering it can cause I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

If you would have asked me 2 years ago I'd probably have said 'hell yeah'.
 
My ex best friend cracked the shits with me on the grounds that I would not introduce her to any of the drugs I had started to take (speed, pills, ice).

I told her she could go out and score on her own, but I didn't want to be part of it.

Apparently I was being a selfish bitch 8)
 
madmick19 said:
My position is very much the same i started with- which is an informed choice is better than an ill informed choice. Also i have always taken the responsibility of mentoring safer using practices with friends who started trying anything tat i had some experience with. And if i didnt have experience i would also go and search out some information regarding ths for them through places like bluelight.

one of the things i found is that past demonstrating a reasonably respectful and thoughtful approach to taking substances you cannot actually keep people or take responsibility for their actions past that. I think that would be denying people a sense of agency and autonmy when it comes to making decisions.

i remember introducing friends to other friends and before long they had theor own ways of getting around and appropraiting things they were after. i guess some really good advice and a reality check at the beggining are always a good place to start. one of the things that for my group has acted as a protective factor was my interest in harm reduction and spreading the message about ways to stay safer on the flip side when people started going a little off the rails i had some come talk to me as a friend wanting more info regarding this.

hell i have even had some friends turn up at a detox where i worked not realising that i worked at that one, being non judemental after the fact is something i have found most people respond too should things get ouuta hand. a bit like how bl feel judged by the general public for taking recreational substances :)

i think hoptis summed it up regarding critically reflecting on the part you are willing to play:

Before I offer to introduce someone to MDMA I ask myself a few questions.

* Are they mature enough for it; mentally, physically and emotionally?
* Are they going to be able to keep their lives in context afterwards? This relates specifically to school/work and their finances.
* Are they just interested because they think drugs are cool? Big NO-NO in my books
* Are they on any medication or have any existing conditions that could cause problems?
* Are they accurately and honestly aware of the potential risks involved?
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Which centre do you work at? I dosed at the Canberra hospital for well over a year - I might've run into you at some point if it was that one.
 
basically everything can be done safely in moderation, but the whole reason people do things like heroin and tobacco in the first place generally negates moderation

i'd never recommend anything that acts on the dopamine system to the extent speed and ice do, that system is too important to fuck with. unless you're in a blissful position in life with only said prospects for the future you're better off not doing it, save your dopaminergic neuron sensitivity, it's priceless

speaking purely with regards to mdma, it's like alcohol, it can be done safely if it's done correctly but that also assumes you know exactly what you're taking which is almost a non existent security in ecstasy at the moment

mdma like alcohol can be done safely, but not doing it is even safer. as a couple of people have already brought up though it'd be up to you to decide if the person your going to introduce or facilitate understands that it's dangerous if it's not done correctly, how to do it correctly, and is in a stable enough psychological condition and position in life (the former generally a product of the later) to be sensible about it

everyone's always going to overdo it a little bit on the odd occasion (the same way we all eat a bit more than usual sometimes), but it's what they'll do most of the time that matters

you'd also benefit from using that assessment on yourself every time you make that choice
 
I only do MDMA. Most of my friends know i do it. We never deliberately pressure the ones who dont, but we always offer jokingly. Mainly because we want them to feel as good as we do, but they are happy just drinking and have no real interest so we leave it at that.

my mates that dun do it have talked quite openly w me about it and asked about it etc and we are very honest and just tell them to use in moderation etc
 
phase_dancer said:
I've met lots of people who have taken it, enjoyed it, and will willingly taken again. Some of those may not have tried MDMA, some have, but that's not the point. If asked about BZP by someone intending to take the drug, I'd respond by outlining the effects - the pharmacology and how stimulants like BZP work, something specific about the high, comparing it to other drugs the person may be aware of, and throw a bit in about the comedown, mixing with other drugs incl alcohol, and other tox related stuff.
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Perhaps BZP wasn't the best example. I just meant to ask whether you would feel worse if a friend was harmed by taking something, knowing that you could have prevented it but didn't because you didn't want to get involved.
 
I just meant to ask whether you would feel worse if a friend was harmed by taking something, knowing that you could have prevented it but didn't because you didn't want to get involved.
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Jeez, I don't come across as being that heartless do I? Of course I'd be cut, but the point I was trying to make is that referring to someone else doesn't guarantee less harm, and in my case, being out of the loop these days, there would be potential for more harm.
 
hey i think there is a fine line about taking responsibility for other peoples actions, i would be happy enough f people took responsibility for just their own actions when it comes to taking substances.

I guess the best message we can all take from this is that you could run a HR group like P_D & me and still have friends tat do not really care about the substances that they are putting into their body at all. In my case i have been the HR Nazi of the group making sure people were ok and knew what they were taking for a long time prior to any having any hr related practices, and even today some of them are stopping HR practices for the sake of convinence of not having to test pills
 
It definately depends on the person.
For example, my best friend has mentioned trying pills several times (and doesn't know I take them) and although I'd love to roll with him, I don't think it'd be the best idea. I don't think he'd be able to control himself, although I hate saying that.
Luckily my other friend I roll with agrees with me, so it's been fairly easy so far.
Basically, I just wouldn't want to be responsible for someone's spiral into drug abuse. I don't think I'd be able to live with that.
 
yeah i agree with jake, people make their own decisions. i have no quarms letting someone take drugs, but not MDMA. Seriously - it's got a pretty bad rep with people taking it for the first time and dying out of the blue. I don't want someone to try their first pill with me. I let it happen in the past, but i wouldnt do it now.

Anything else, that im well aware about, opiates etc - i dont have quarms with. If someone becomes a junkie, i take no responsibility. It's their fault - not mine. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
 
MrIbis said:
Seriously - it's got a pretty bad rep with people taking it for the first time and dying out of the blue. I don't want someone to try their first pill with me. I let it happen in the past, but i wouldnt do it now.
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Most of those deaths are either from drinking to much water, not drinking enough water and going into thermal meltdown or the very rare case of dodge drugs eg PMA which IMO can be easily avoided.
 
Most of my close friends have tried at the very least weed.
My best friends however have tried all the same stuff I have with me, but not without looking into things first.
Although majority of my group of friends only drink, I think to think I'm a person to ask if they are inclined on trying out a substance.
When it comes to pills I either give them whatever I'm having because I know it's safe, or direct them to a dealer I can trust or with pills I know are good, rather than having them popping god knows what they find by asking randoms.

If anything bad went down (and it has before), I'd much rather have the piece of mind knowing I did everything in my power to make sure they were safe and avoided any long lasting troubles. All I would suggest to my drug-noob friends these days however is weed and pills, I've come to learn Acid is definitely not for everybody :/
 
No one pointed a gun at my head and told me to take drugs.

I would not force drugs onto anyone, but I have introduced people to drugs before. I would judge each introduction on a case by case basis.
 
I have introduced people to pills, weed, n2o and psys. All of these people have asked me about them them and I have not forced people into anything. I also suggest people to go onto erowid and here if they are interested in anything.
 
I've had a few friends ask me about certain drugs, mainly psychedelics and if i could get them for them (As unless your within a scene or connected, psychedelics are usually not as easy to obtain as more common drugs as MDMA, amphetamines or Marijuana)

I explained the effects of these drugs, pro's and con's (based off my own personal experience, as well as accompanied by information from erowid) and it was ultimately there decision to take them. I don't mind introducing friends (who ask) to psychedelics as i believe them to be the most beneficial drugs they could take.

But i wouldn't introduce them to anything addictive or destructive such as cocaine or heroin. They would have to seek those out on there own if they were so inclined.
 
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