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Intravenous Drug Users; are they all depressed?

Cornishman

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It's been on my mind alot recently, and I could really do with some other peoples perspectives about IV'ing drugs.

I'm talking about IV'ing in a safe sensible manner using substances which are tried and tested via this route.
Not just being reckless.


As it stands I have a coke binge problem, but most of the time I'm in positive thoughts. It's only after a binge that I get depressed.

The thing is; would a person who's not depressed pick up a needle and experience that high?

I know nothing good ever comes from it but I'm beginning to question my own motives for using.
Could it all be down to something as simple as boredom?

As it stands I view the act of IV'ing cocaine as something like BASE jumping.
An act of sheer insanity that enables the participant to feel more alive.

Answers from non IV users and IV users alike are welcome.
I'm just interested in people's perspectives.

(I UTFSE btw)
 
Im gonna leave this thread as is for the moment since the immediate question is different than the one in our Injecting. Why? thread but in a general sense the main question in both of these threads is "Why do users begin IVing?"
 
Cornishman said:
The thing is; would a person who's not depressed pick up a needle and experience that high?
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IMHO, I think it'd be ridiculous to assume all IV drug users are depressed. And even if one was to assume that, I don't think that relies only on the ROA. I think drug addiction itself can cause depression, and maybe having an addiction to the needle or IV drugs in general can worsen or cause depression. But I would imagine it's fair to say that there are people who IV drugs who don't suffer from it.
 
IVing users are usually either stupid or experienced. Maybe TOLERENT or highly addicted. IV use would make you more depressed I geuss.

Iving is VERY different with ALL drugs. Like Cocaine snorted is um 5m up n chatty feel nice, rushy. The needle though it's 2sec in and you are woah!! call an albumlance!!!!!!! then "no it's cool, I am good, thanks to mixin' with Heroin"

Most speedball 'em. bad Move + the needle.
 
My friend IMs (not IVs). Similar but not quite the same.
Either way - he is ALWAYS safe. He uses ketamine. It's just to get to the "k-hole" spot. He's into dissociatives and psychedelics really. He does it maybe 1-2 times a month, safely. Makes sure everything is clean and pure.
As for being depressed - he's living a pretty good life. He doesn't only IM when he's depressed (in fact he avoids doing it when he's sad).
 
Intravenous Cocaine IS reckless..It doesn't matter if you use a micron filter, or a highly precise scale to weigh out your blow, shooting coke is probably one of (if not THE) most dangerous drugs to inject. Be fucking careful, I've had multiple close calls from shooting cocaine... Not to mention that its one of the most dangerous and addictive bad habits to acquire.

If you aren't depressed now, you will be if you continue to shoot that crap for long enough. I used coke IV nearly every day for a four month period, and when I finally stopped I went through a hellish depression that lasted nearly 6 months.
 
I'm with ZNegative on this, shooting coke will make you depressed, possibly for a long time, any sort of stimulant will make you depressed if you abuse it daily, and like ZN, I have experienced many near-OD situations (as well as many ODs that were managed) with IV cocaine. It's cardiotoxicity is pretty hectic, it will put your heart through the wringer, even insufflating it creates strong tachycardia, IVing it makes your heart sound like a death metal drummer.
 
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Yeah^..not to mention that while your heart is speeding, you begin to suffocate as well-if you accidentally push it that far, which is easy to do.
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In my experience with IVing coke, with dope (heroin) I can inject a few bags then wait a while then inject again; but with cocaine I shoot up and it's a matter of minutes then I'm at it again and again...it gets to the point where I just can't stop till it's all gone then I need to do a couple of bags just to calm down.....total insanity!!! I haven't touched coke in a few years now and I'm totally scared of doing it again. I lose all control over it.:(
 
At first i find its the addiction of IV'ing coke that brings me back to it, some one just has to mention it or evan see something on tv then it on my mind! The deprssion comes after. But then when feeling down i no the coke will perk me up so i do it again. I feel its the escape that no other drug can give me.
I dont think its only depressed people that IV but once its got a grip on you i definatly think depression is a big part of why i go back each time!
 
I wouldn't say that every IV user has depression but a god portion of them do, including myself. What draws me to shooting is that it hits instantly, dissolving all my negative thoughts and feelings.
 
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I'm with ZNegative on this, shooting coke will make you depressed, possibly for a long time, any sort of stimulant will make you depressed if you abuse it daily, and like ZN, I have experienced many near-OD situations (as well as many ODs that were managed) with IV cocaine. It's cardiotoxicity is pretty hectic, it will put your heart through the wringer, even insufflating it creates strong tachycardia, IVing it makes your heart sound like a death metal drummer.
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I've had similar experiences (near ODs, heart pounding, HEAVY panic attacks) with street amphetamines. Not to mention I became insanely depressed upon cessation of use after about 2,5 years of daily use (~1g/day).

About IV: I only shot up amps like three times or something (long after my addiction) and because it didn't add much I wouldn't bother with it ever again. But you guys were discussing uppers in general, so thought I might add the above. It does not apply to IV stims alone! Though it is ofcourse the most dangerous roa.
 
I wasn't drawn to IVing because of depression. I started out of a desire to tackle the final frontier of drug use. IV drug use, to the general public, is and probably always will be taboo. That made it all the more attractive.
When I relapse, it's usually more from boredom than anything else.
As my addiction stretched from months to years I definitely got more and more depressed. I wouldn't say it was directly because of IVing. It was more what the drug use did to my bank account, job, etc.
There were long periods of time where I shot up multiple times a day, worked, had a girlfriend and something of a social life and felt OK with where my life was. It devolves eventually, but, IMO, the depression comes as a result of the gradual(or in some cases rapid) ruin it makes of your life. Not really anything directly to do with my use of needles.

Shooting coke is a whole different animal. I've done it a handful of times, and while it's always been incredibly intense fun, there's still a very strong feeling of, "this is not right/safe/good."
I get depressed after every time I use coke. Whether it's a huge amount or a moderate amount. Shot or snorted, I still get horribly depressed. I feel it's much more the drug than the ROA.
 
Make no mistake.... Every fellow junkie I've ever spent time with was almost or just as addicted to the act of shooting up as they were the drug itself.
 
The first time I tried the intravenous route, I was hardly depressed. I wanted to experience the most intense pleasure possible so I tried IV Dilaudid. I underdosed the first two times I tried it and didn't have a rush. I was also a happy person the first time I shot heroin. I was opiate dependent, but running out isn't much of a problem when you live in NJ and dope costs you $xxx a day

12 years later, I'm probably clinically depressed. I can easily shoot four bundles in a day and still want more. Insidious.
 
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There have been plenty of times throughout my addiction that I used when I wasn't depressed. I was strung out.. addicted.. so that meant not just using when you feel bummed out.. If I felt happy, I'd use.. If I felt excited, I'd use.. If I felt bored, I'd use... etc. etc. My life was about the needle and getting high period.. Sure, being depressed can definitely make you go out and rip it up a lot harder but.. that's not everyday. Once your addiction gets bad enough.. you certainly are more depressed more frequently but.. there are good days and you still use..
 
In my experience, iv'ing stims is a whole different ball game for me than just iving heroin. When I iv coke, after the binge I look at my arms and the mess in my bathroom and become disgusted and depressed with what I just spent the past how many hours doing. And I would know I am just going to repeat the cycle the next day and that was even more depressing for me. What moved me away from iv'ing coke was my boyfriend at the time was an iv meth addict and he saw my repulsive pattern of behavior and would beg me to quit and one thing he said to me hit me really hard. One night he wanted to just sit and watch movies with me but I wanted to quarantine myself to the bathroom and shoot coke. He said to me "I hate watching you do that to yourself. I dont even understand why you do it because you dont even like or enjoy it." Yea, that doesnt seem like that profound of a statement but it was so true, why do I keep doing this even though I dont even like it? Of curse that night I choose to sit in my bathroom and bang coke and he got disappointed and left. It got to the point where he wouldnt let me shoot coke
arpund him, he would hide the coke and needles and all I could do was heroin. I used to sneak it every once in a while but eventually the habit died when I picked up meth. I just had to keep reminding myself how horrible i feel after a binge and how much i hate the feeling after the coke binge.

Meth was less detrimental to my health but it is really hard to maintain your appearance and feed two addictions. When Im on meth I let myself go. I pick my skin, have bags under my eyes, etc. Looking at myself in the mirror would depress me because I used to have such nice skin and I had scarred it all up. I was maintaining both these addictions while being single and homeless and I had to give up one so I gave up meth because heroin was more important to me. I miss meth but in the year I have given it up I have got myself my own apartment, bought myself a car back because I sold my old ones, bought a new wardrobe and have gone back to taking care of myself.

Yeah I am still a daily iv heroin user but I can afford my habit while still having money in the bank, a car I bought myself four months ago, my own pad and I make my own money and that makes me extremely happy. I do not see myself as depressed or feel depressed when I see how far I have come. So no, I am quite satisfied and content withmy life considering how low and in the gutter it was at one point.
 
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most IV users are junkies, ergo most IV'ers are depressed at least part of the time. IMO.
That said, it's not automatic to the needle. If i were to do something and had a rig on-hand, i wouldn't think twice about any other MOA (and i was never even really a shooter during my addiction days, only discovered needles like a month or two before i got off opiates luckily)
Last time i did oxy i used a needle because someone had one, i mean i wouldn't make a run to the store just for a pin but if it's there it's superior. Oxy is the biggest thing in my area, so if i'm around and partake in narcotics it's likely to be oxy30's. I'd prefer a rig, followed by oral, follow by insufflated. If you got past the stigma of needles then they are preferable.
/note: when i say someone had one, i mean a CLEAN unopened rig. And plz understand that using needles goes hand-in-hand with misery for the vast majority IME.
 
I'm not particularly depressed right now. And I'm IV'ing maybe once a month.

Look back the more I IV'ed the more depressed I've been.

I'd like to think I could be happy and still dabble in IV'ing.
 
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