Intense psychedelic dreams, hypnagogia, DMT-like?

[Xorkoth]

watch out for Nightmare Death Syndrome... said to happen particularly to young men, especially in Asia for some reason. They wake up screaming and then die inexplicably. Heart arrhythmia is then diagnosed. Kinda weird. :-/

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q="Nightmare+Death+Syndrome"&meta=

Wow, how weird and creepy... 8(

This stuff generally happens to me when I use a serotonin releaser such as MDMA or AMT. It happens occasionally other times, too, but not very often at all without a serotonin releaser.

 

[Love In Vein]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

I was right about to put that link up as well.

I used to get sleep paralysis a few years ago. But it was only after I have moved in with my GF in CT. I still have this one VERY vivid dream where I was being attacked by some alien that looked like something from a Geiger artwork. In the dream, he was God and he was going to take revenge on me
for being imperfect. I woke up screaming, but I couldn't move other than to try to scream and attempt to kick around. My girlfriend had to hit me several times so I would wake up (mostly because I had started kicking her in the face and was screaming).

Whenever this happened, it was always during a very bad nightmare and I would try kicking and screaming so I could move again because I was so terrified to fall asleep again. Occassionally I could start moving again, but usually I could not.

When this was happening, however, I had just recently kicked heroin. Which I have been told by some people that this could have been the reason. But who knows?

 

[Splatter]

Would you describe the buzzing as similar to very intense pins and needles? That's what it feels like to me. You guys are the first people I've heard that share this, so I'd be interested in comparing notes.

 

[Ximot]

^Interesting- did youread this http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/medicalbag/335/nightmare_death_syndrome.html

Some sort of medical, possible genetic structural heart defect. That could explain the locality.

So even sleeping is not without its harm kiddies....another lesson learned.

yeah I read the Fortean Times article. since for some reason it happens specifically to young men in certain areas of Asia it makes me wonder to what extent methamphetamine use might have to do with it.

On the other hand, it just my be some rather eerie entity contact and the reason something that there is no explanation for that modern science can account for... even if in our cultures this would generally be considered ridiculous I wouldn't rule that out entirely as a possibility.I have taken too much DMT to just be able to rule that sort of thing out entirely

 

[swilow]

On the other hand, it just my be some rather eerie entity contact and the reason something that there is no explanation for that modern science can account for... even if in our cultures this would generally be considered ridiculous I wouldn't rule that out entirely as a possibility.I have taken too much DMT to just be able to rule that sort of thing out entirely

Thats the problem; nothing can be discounted after smoking several brains worth of DMT/s.

 

[Ximot]

smoking several brains worth of DMT/s.

several brains' worth - hah, I like the wording. And I have only one brain Dunno if it's a problem though. I consider it a great liberation from the usual constricting thought paradigm we're born into and brought up in... I'd long had a hunch that what we're given is a mere arbitrary construct but DMT confirmed this and added to it the stark realisation that it is a construct on more levels than I could theretofore fathom...

... and yeah, I don't think it's a problem. I'm grateful for it. For it has brought home the message to me that ultimately, given the nature of reality as I now understand it (co-dependent origination, the Law of Kamma, Cause + Effect...all the Buddhist stuff), I understand that "I" will probably never truly, fully, understand in any way that can be verbally expressed...and that, as long as I live as best I can and follow my own personal moral imperative of lovingkindness and compassion for myself and everyone else as best I can, then I have done all I can and that's that. Given reality the way it has manifested itself to me, it is the only way I can live, and I think that this is beneficial to me. It is not always easy and I get lost in anger, desperation, fear, desire, etc... but to know there is a path I can walk and to know that on the path everything is so much better... I just try not to veer off too far, not to get too carried away by the lure of the material world of global consumerism/capitalism ... to walk a few steps on the path every single day and not lose it out of sight completely. Not to sleepwalk, or if I do, to be gentle with myself when i wake up from my slumber and not add to my misery by being hard on myself for veering off... but to be forgiving, and be gently persistent, to walk back to the path, and keep going, patiently. It's the only way. If I don't respond to my own Darkness with yet more Darkness, someof my Light shall remain. And there's ways of making it shine brighter...

But I talk... just to remind myself, really. If it's true that there is no such thing as time and that, on some level beyond our dimension, all past lives and future lives are really simultanous, then the only opportunity I have is always now... always now. This time may be all I have, forever and ever. And I can only ever influence it "right now" ---

 

[aftermeluckycharms]

wow

hello everyone i simply HAD to join bluelight when i saw this post..I have had these same things happen to me for YEARS..i always called them 'mushroom nightmares'..b/c my first one was a week after my first mushroom exp..and many elements from my trip were in the 'nighmare'..creeped me out..i still get them all the time..waking up but cant move and hallucinating accompanied by a prominent 'buzzing' or tingling..dreams inside of dreams (if that makes any sense) where i am not in my body anymore..running around frantically trying to get myself to wake up for real..only to wake up in another 'dream' where i am still out of my body trying to shake/slap/poke the 'real me' so i can wake up..and when i do actually wake up, (usually with temporary hallucinations) im all panicky and mega paranoid untill i acually figure out what just happened..i always thought it was just weird dreams from previously ingesting hallucinogens..

 

[Xorkoth]

dreams inside of dreams (if that makes any sense) where i am not in my body anymore..running around frantically trying to get myself to wake up for real..only to wake up in another 'dream' where i am still out of my body trying to shake/slap/poke the 'real me' so i can wake up..and when i do actually wake up, (usually with temporary hallucinations) im all panicky and mega paranoid untill i acually figure out what just happened

Whoa! That has also happened to me. I know exactly what you mean... it's hard to actually explain though. It got to the point where I had no idea whether I was awake or asleep whenever I got up out of my bed. Well, for that one night anyway.

And welcome!

 

[aftermeluckycharms]

Hey thanks Xorkoth that is so weird that the same thing happened to you..i know that feeling of not knowing whether youre asleep or awake..its scary sometimes really..but i always wondered..why do we feel panic during this? is it b/c its an actual nightmare? or is it b/c you think if you dont wake your body up youll be stuck in dreamland forever? or is it just the magic in the mushies playing cruel tricks on us? lol..ah..i love the mystery of the human mind..bluelight is awesome!!

 

[Xorkoth]

Mine didn't happen because of mushrooms, though. Although it was when I was taking psychedelics often, primarily DOC. The reason it made me afraid is because it was so realistic that I didn't know what to expect - was I dreaming or not? Had I gotten stuck between realities somehow? I just didn't know.

 

[swilow]

^I'd be interested how much a breakthrough salvia hit would resemble such a feeling for you Xorkoth....my first breakthrough felt SO much like a dream/nightmare state, where none of the usual trcks would wake me up. Salvia reminds me so much of lucid dreaming; and vice versa.

 

[Xorkoth]

I need to try to break through with salvia already. I've been thinking about it for years but have never done it.

 

[tablehead]

^I'd be interested how much a breakthrough salvia hit would resemble such a feeling for you Xorkoth....my first breakthrough felt SO much like a dream/nightmare state, where none of the usual trcks would wake me up. Salvia reminds me so much of lucid dreaming; and vice versa.

Oh god it does. I find my "mushroom dreams" to be a combination of the salvia experience and the mushroom experience. Ive seen things ive seen on mushrooms in them and ive also seen and felt like i was on salvia, like the exact feeling. Whenever i breakthorugh with salvia i always see the same stuff too. Im always beeing hurled through a wall over and over and i can see a line of my bodies in a row waiting to be thrown through the wall as i become the nexct person in line after i am thrown. Another reoccuring theme is that i see these "elves" or something that have the head of gumby all slanted like. They talk to me and i even saw one of their school teachers giving a lecture on how i have popped through to their dimension repeatedly and how they made a movie about me haha. Ive seen those guys marching around in my dream space when i have those lucid dreams. *rambles*

 

[swilow]

^Lol, I usually get a big green plastic gumby like firgure too. Salvia= weirdest shit on earth.

 

[5-HT2]

In my personal case, frequency of serotonergic drug use and sleep paralysis seem to be correlated. Even when I'm not using drugs frequently, I tend to have vivid dreams and wake up from them suddenly, but that's been happening all my life (without self-detectable sleep paralysis). The difference is that when I am using serotonergic drugs frequently, I sometimes get caught in a state between wakefulness and dreaming, where I am consciously experiencing both the dream and the outside world at the same time, but I can not break free from the dream.

Curiously, the only circumstances in my life that are more closely associated with sleep paralysis are early-morning exercise after not getting enough sleep followed by unintentionally dozing off soon after the physical exertion.

 

[tablehead]

again

I had one of those dreams again last night. I had smoked a joint and vaped a few bowls and went to bed. Very soon after i was floating above my body, i started to fly above my house and i was excited that i had done this for i have"astral projected before and it was amazing" as i was flying i then began to decend and i saw many heads in a seas of heads (looked a little alien like) and then as i decended into the sea i then saw a tv with cartoons playing i could sort of control them and i tried to see weed or a bong, and then i saw myself cartoon like what it hought was myself, and then it showed me a tomb stone with bats and a full moon and it started laughing at me and said death. I then forced myself awake scared, and i awoke with a swirling mushroom like hallucination, It was distorting everything in the center of my vision swiwling it about and aroung like a tornado, and it would move around my visions field doing the same to everything it touched, it was intense and insane and i was completely awake seeing my room morphing. One of the more intense ones i have had.


** Im starting to think that these dreams are a result of my brain releasiong high amounts of melatonin and Dmt ... Any imput?

 

[Recept]

I doubt it has anything to do with DMT. High levels of melatonin can cause crazy experiences though.

 

[On the run]

hi, sorry to bring this thread up again but i forgot about it and just checked it back then and found a whole new page of replies. thankfully for me this hasn't happened for about 3 weeks or so, i still think the shrooms were the culprit. and "aftermeluckycharms" I experienced the exact same feeling, of trying to wake yourself up within a dream, and not knowing when you were 'awake' or just 'awake in a dream', it's so hard to explain without having felt it yourself.. it's good to know i'm not alone though, i was seriously scared wondering what the hell was happening to me.

as for describing the buzzing feeling, i wouldn't say it is *quite* like pins and needles, it's similiar.. but different. i had some liquid acid once which gave me a very intense 'body load', hell it might even not have been acid, and the whole time i had minor buzzing running throguh my body, felt like a little motor running in my mind that wouldn't stop until i finally came down 18+ hours later. it feels like that only 100 times stronger.. but it only lasts for a few seconds in the dream, though sometimes longer.

 

[nyx]

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The situation goes like this...
Recently I've been having very weird dreams that are almost reminiscent of the way tryptamines effect me with closed eyes/in a hynogogic state. I've also noticed that after these really intense dreams (tend to happen either when I'm really tired and power-sleep for about an hour then wake up, or when I've slept a normal eight hours or more, woken up partially and gone back to sleep again) I'll wake up with what I've now identified as the buzz peculiar to tryptamines (and especially dmt, the only tryptamine I'm experienced with). Also, some of the mental "effects" of this dream seem to carry over into real life for a short period of ~5 mins. I.E. I feel confused and kind of dazed/overwhelmed, like you would if you woke up into a trip you had fallen asleep during...
Note that while I had taken psychs before, I'd never done tryptamines as of when this started, but the body load when I wake up is almost exactly the same Also, I've never been excessive with any drugs, nor have I ever had "flash backs" or anything like that.
As for setting and set this has been happening in, it doesn't matter what time it is, only that it's one of those two sleep conditions, and I noticed it started happening when I found out my dad had cancer, and subsequently died. I think I handled his death pretty well and confronted the issues I had upfront, but I can't be sure.
Has anyone ever experienced this/has any chemical explanation for this? why does my body feel like its tripping after these really immersive dreams?

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah man

good

you're becoming aware

*eyes go wide with awe*

it happened to me too

*eyes still wide*

peace and blessings on your journey friend

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