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Intense psychedelic dreams, hypnagogia, DMT-like?

nyx said:
<--note to the mods: I got no clue where this belongs, move it if you need to, I tried my best to figure someplace it could atleast partially fit-->

The situation goes like this...
Recently I've been having very weird dreams that are almost reminiscent of the way tryptamines effect me with closed eyes/in a hynogogic state. I've also noticed that after these really intense dreams (tend to happen either when I'm really tired and power-sleep for about an hour then wake up, or when I've slept a normal eight hours or more, woken up partially and gone back to sleep again) I'll wake up with what I've now identified as the buzz peculiar to tryptamines (and especially dmt, the only tryptamine I'm experienced with). Also, some of the mental "effects" of this dream seem to carry over into real life for a short period of ~5 mins. I.E. I feel confused and kind of dazed/overwhelmed, like you would if you woke up into a trip you had fallen asleep during...
Note that while I had taken psychs before, I'd never done tryptamines as of when this started, but the body load when I wake up is almost exactly the same Also, I've never been excessive with any drugs, nor have I ever had "flash backs" or anything like that.
As for setting and set this has been happening in, it doesn't matter what time it is, only that it's one of those two sleep conditions, and I noticed it started happening when I found out my dad had cancer, and subsequently died. I think I handled his death pretty well and confronted the issues I had upfront, but I can't be sure.
Has anyone ever experienced this/has any chemical explanation for this? why does my body feel like its tripping after these really immersive dreams?
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your description is perfect. it perfectly matches my experience with rem rebound. you should check that out.
 
"dreams mimicking tryptamines" = Both leave you less under the influence of dimensions. :)

Sorry, I didn't read all the rest, just the title.
 
sorry to bump this, since it doesn't seem to be getting much interest, but I'd like to clarify a few things so you guys dont think I'm some McKenna freak. GP, i'm pretty sure you're bein sarcastic, but I can't actually know (haven't been on the board NEAR long enough to know your personality), but I know I would be if I said something like that, lol. I don't want to give anybody the idea that I'm correlating my weird ass dreams and my use of dmt, was just trying to find an example of what it "felt" like, lol. If i'm gonna correlate anything to this shit starting it would be from a period of great stress/sadness caused by dealing with my dads sickness/death, ala some sort of abnormal serotonin/other neurotransmitter interaction. The fact is I've been having these dreams which seem more vivid than my average ones, and that it does seem to have a physical feeling for a time after I wake up (most of the time ~1-3 mins.) marked by the same sort of tingly heavy feeling when I first tried dmt about a week ago. The occurrences seem to be too close together to be REM rebound, though I can't be positive (obviously, I dont have a sleep lab at my house). Any other ideas? also, it would be worth noting that I seem to have Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome, or something similar... Anyways, I'm open to comments/ideas (as long as the dont involve mckenna or watson), or letting this thread die a peaceful death :P
 
He's not being sarcastic, that's GP for you. :)

I've read this but can't think of how to respond... I have not tripped in a dream before except once I took some nitrous and woke up as I started getting a really strong buzz, and the buzz lasted a minute after I woke up. But I rarely remember my dreams, and if I do have a drug-like dream, it usually involves trying to get a drug and failing repeatedly throughout the dream, and then when I finally get it I wake up before I can take it.
 
wasn't being sarcastic.

DMT seems to really bring this out (it wasn't until I got heavily into DMT that I started seeing psychedelic patterning while sleeping and right before drifting into sleep).

The world is golden in my trips and dreams :)

As far as the neurochemical/neuro-mechanistic basis, I really don't know. It has something to do with the plasticity of prefrontal cortex (the site where psychedelics act on, LSD at least) and the modulatory effects on visual cortex that changing the PFC has. That's about as much as anybody knows at this point, I think.

peace and blessings <3
 
Dream trips are fun. Unfortunately, most of my dreams I keep trying to dose but always they just somehow stay out of my reach... something always happens to keep me from doing it, and then finally when I'm about to dose I wake up...
 
intense psychadelic lucid dreams..?

I didnt know where to post this. But recently I have been getting to sleep very late. Been staying out with friends ect. Smoking weed almost daily again, drinking and still on suboxone about 3 mg a day.

I bumped a little coke the other night so I was having trouble getting tired. I smoked a fat bowl and finally felt more or less tired.

After trying to sleep for only a few short minutes I began to drift off to sleep. But instead of just drifting off and falling asleep I can feel myself leaving my body. I then am catapolted into a psychadelic dream scape, with thousands of mirrored hexagonal cubes mirroring my face in a honneycomb of light. I can feel myself flying around this land and it so intense and scary I usually wake up. This then cycles for about 30 minutes of me waking up and then being thrown back into this intense psychadelic land. It reminded me alot of what I have heard DMT trips are like and Im wondering if its just my pineal gland having a field day.

Any input. I dont mind it... But Id like to be more lucid and less afraid. It pretty damn intense, even more so than drugs hahaa except for Salvia
 
Ooh, I find this very interesting. You could be experiencing hypnagogia. I used to get weird feelings as a kid every once in a while as I fell asleep. I would feel like my body or my existence was changing somehow, like I was either leaving my body or my body was stretching out.

Once I did research and learned of hypnagogia, I usually watch out for it as I fall asleep; I usually don't remember much of what happened, but sometimes I do.

Maybe that's where the drugs come into this story. Perhaps you being high enhanced the experience and/or helped you remember what happened.
 
I've had a couple of dreams similar to this. The first time I experienced a very intense rushing feeling, as though I was moving at the speed of light or something, and I thought I could hear thousands of people yelling my name so loud that it turned into white noise. This lasted for about 30 seconds (that's what it felt like, in real time I suppose it could've been anything really, probably a lot less) before I suddenly snapped out of it and woke up.

I found it to be quite enjoyable, although I can definitely see how it could be scary for some people. I've done DMT twice before and I must say the 'rushy' feeling in the dream was very similar to what I feel in the first few seconds of a DMT trip. But who knows... could just be a coincidence.

edit: forgot to mention, it was around 3am when I woke up, and I'd gone to bed around 2:00-2:30.
 
Wow I deffinately have had an experience just like the one above ^
Mine was that I had a rush flying down a tunnel at the speed of light ( good comparison ) the light was white but since i was traveling so far and fast the white light bended into a infinite rainbow of colors and when I finally stopped I could see Alien heads all around me in a circle like when you have surgery and are being whatched by other doctors above.

I also have head the voices, saying my name and random other things, as clear as day. This is usually accompanyed by laughter and fleeting body fealings.

I was reading into the hypnagogia you talked about and that Most DEFF sounds like what I am experiencing. I find it very interesting too as why some people never get this and others like me get this every night. Possible drugs, psychadelics and alike make your mind more aware of these unnaturaul experiences and makes me couciouse when it occurs.

One thing that I experience that some people have as well is Hearing Radio/Television commercials talking complete conversations that I have never heard. It went so far as to me hearing a commercial for something I never have seen before. Googled it couldnt find it. 2 years later, randomly saw it on tv....FREAKY


I would love if a mod could link this with a similar thread so that we can talk more on the subject and get more input. hypnagogia mega thread? haha
 
I think I've heard voices as well, but the details are so hard for me to remember. I remember one time I felt like I was traveling sideways and there was this multi-colored line that I was traveling along.

Yes, hynagogia + psychs mega thread! I only researched about hypnagogia a few weeks ago when I got the weird feeling again one time as I fell asleep, and now I have been paying attention as I fall asleep and I remember more of what happens.
 
oh, I also noticed that you said that you have been going to sleep late. The time when I felt a weird sensation (expanding my body), I went to bed much later than usual. I don't know if sleep deprivation has anything to do with it.

I also know that when you stay up for several days, you get hallucinations in cycles of the same time frame as sleep cycles, or that you hallucinate when you should be dreaming. I wonder if by going to sleep later than you should, you are going to sleep when you are normally in deep sleep, and as such, the hynagogia makes itself more apparent.

Any ideas? Has anyone else noticed this when they go to sleep late?
 
I find ambient music or field recordings allow me to drift to a point just before sleep; time is massively sped up, but my thoughts (which don't seem to be my own, or at least- they come from the unconcious) are magnified BUT they don't really correlate to anything upon waking ie. I can't explain why I was arranging tubes and spheres and 6jb342789hf etc. but I just was. :)
 
I have an idea. In Pihkal, one of the characters (the main woman - I forgot her name) had hynagogic hallucinations as a kid, and then they went away. She got them again after doing peyote later in her life.

I have had a similar experience. I had a lot of weird things happening during my sleep when I was young (I think hynagogia), but I actually almost forgot about them until it happened a few weeks ago. I wonder if this has anything to do with me starting to do psychedelics ~5 months ago.
 
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