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(Insufflated) Do you always lose against cocaine and heroin ? (=addiction)

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Psylex

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Basically everything is said in the title. After having held many conversations with street cocaine and/or heroin (nasal) users (especially addicts), i obviously received an enormous amount of pessimistic comments ("no one is strong enough not to fall into addiction while toying around long term wise with these two substances").

I really do adore this modern "harm reduction" ideology concerning drug use and i always try my best to shape theories in order not to fall into addiction, although heroin and cocaine seem to be the most dangerous substances in this matter. (with benzos and meth i guess)

My question is : is there any VERY rigourous way of using these two drugs (separatly or together) without ruining one's life ? (or non at all and i should just drop it now.... which i currently am doing for a while until this summer probably)

My personal harm/addiction reduction opinion at this present moment would be : (please correct me if i'm wrong)

1/ not to think of these drugs as a habit
2/ Long term Maximum frequency of once (or two days) per week (minimum being forgetting about these drugs for severals months, years...)
3/ Staying with nasal insufflation and forgetting about smoking/injecting them because snorting is less addictive
4/ Short term wise : always having in mind less harmful drugs for recreational purposes (ketamine, ganja, mdma, lsd, codeine... you get it)
5/ Always fear coke and heroin when using (never take them for granted/normal or you get addicted).

(am i right up to there?)

Cheers.
 
To clarify:
1/ its not gonna matter what or how you think of it
2/ you wont stick to a schedule
3/ insufflation less addicting? on what planet?
4/ i dont understand this one
5/ you wont fear them for long

this isnt a jab at you personally. I dont even know you. But I know drugs and I know drug users, and what I've said here is based on 25+ years of experience with all of the above.
 
no matter how hard i tried to not get addicted, i lost the battle to heroin
 
Carry on folks, i crave for more knowledge. Where are all the regular BL pharmacological geeks ?

nsauce > The n4 means playing with other less harmful drugs as a sort of replacement in order to use coke/heroin the least possible and therefore stick with the schedule. And psychologically speaking, don't you think snorting c/h is less addictive than smoking/injecting them ? And i heard your response many times for n1, can you explain the mental process? It's been a few days i'm trying to understand than weird process of going into daily consumption.
 
The only way to maybe use these substances would be a once or twice a year thing, maybe on your birthday or new years, but even then your likely going to want that feeling back sooner and start using more frequently which slowly snowballs into addiction.
 
^ that

you can use for a year or two and still not be physically addicted to brown, or not really psychologically to coke, but then you might get cocky and screw up. some people manage to use them for long periods and not have a problem, but it is rare.
 
I think some of these opinions are wrong. I have been using cocaine on and off for over 5 years, I had a period of maybe 6 months/1 year where I was using about twice a week. I binged a bit but I always knew when to stop. And have never experienced withdrawals.

And I have NEVER experienced cravings for it. Now I use it incredibly infrequently due to the fact that once i'm high it's very morish. But when I do indulge it's great. And it will always be my favourite stim.

Opiates are another matter... I have experienced withdrawals a couple of times. Because it does something coke doesn't. It stops my body hurting and kinda shuts my head up a little, with little to no hangover, just withdrawals. And lets be serious here... who wouldn't wanna always feel like that?

If it wasn't for building up a tolerance I think it would be a perfect drug. It's why they call it chasing the dragon right?

Edit: hehe cool! I'm rare! LOL
 
I consider that psychological addiction is more dangerous than physical addiction in terms of consequences on your lifestyle, this is why i'm putting cocaine and heroin in the same addictive category.

i against i > With what maximum frequency, theoretically ? And following my golden rules i must not ever try to get cocky with these two drugs because, per definition, they are stronger than any anthropological mental strength.

In terms of psychological addiction, i guess some people get more hooked (addictive behavior/personality/genes) on cocaine and others more on heroin, am i right ? Or is one absolutely more dangerous than the other ?!

madog11 > Wow you've got one lucky psyche not experiencing cravings with coke, maybe people should know their own biological limits (like with anxiety and ganja as an example).
 
Psylex said:
madog11 > Wow you've got one lucky psyche not experiencing cravings with coke, maybe people should know their own biological limits (like with anxiety and ganja as an example).
Click to expand...

I'm actually even more so with alcohol and cigarettes, smoke one a day on average and drink rarely. Opiates are the first thing to actually get to me. And i'll admit to that. They have. It's bizzare that the same didnt happen with coke with the amount I was using at one point, I always thought I was lucky.
 
I don't think you can put coke and H in the same category for the sheer fact that dope will get you psychically dependent..so it certainly changes patterns of use and whatever "plans" you make, if you end up getting strung out.

But..provided you didn't get strung out, followed all of your clever little rules, etc, then it is possible not to ruin your life. However... the chances of you or anyone else actually adhering to those rules for any lengthy period of time is slim to none. It's kind of a, "if nobody else could do it...why would you be able to?" thing. What makes you think you'll fall into the 1% of people who can use like that, and not the other 99%? Many of us tried coming up with "full proof" plans to avoid addiction. How many of us do you think succeeded... :\

Odds are stacked against you, my friend. There's just too many things that could go wrong..so many variables you can't plan for. But good luck. Be sure to write a book after ten years if you're able to do it. You'll make lots of money.
 
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