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Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

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Blissful Thinking said:
Hey all,


Done some damage to my arms over time, and stuck rotating between 2-3 spots. Problem now is, I register, and then begin to push and i feel a slight sting, not like a miss, but just a pain, and I have to push down quite slow. A few minutes after, alot of the time it will show similar symptoms of a miss, ie. bubbling up and going red, and I feel some of the effects, but not all. Could this be from the needle peircing the vein, and while some maybe going in, some is also leaking out? Any thoghts/ideas. And could someone link me to an image of the vein maps on arms please?
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Sounds like you are 100% missing. Find some new veins. When you register the blood shoudl fill up as far as you pull back on the syringe, not just a trickle or osmethin.

There should be no burning, no matter if your shooting dope, or mephedrone, or 2c-b or anything. A histamine reaction is one thing but bubbling up, red...sounds like 1-0-0% miss man.

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Blissful Thinking said:
Hey all,


Done some damage to my arms over time, and stuck rotating between 2-3 spots. Problem now is, I register, and then begin to push and i feel a slight sting, not like a miss, but just a pain, and I have to push down quite slow. A few minutes after, alot of the time it will show similar symptoms of a miss, ie. bubbling up and going red, and I feel some of the effects, but not all. Could this be from the needle peircing the vein, and while some maybe going in, some is also leaking out? Any thoghts/ideas. And could someone link me to an image of the vein maps on arms please?
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They are on the first page of this thread.
 
Captain: thanks for that answer! So, blood color is a sign of hydration level, that's really interesting. So if I want to do a quick test and see if my body is properly hydrated, all I have to do is shoot some dope? Cool! ;-)

Blissful: I agree, despite your best efforts it sounds like you ARE missing the shots. If I've learned anything since entering the world of IV drugs, if it hurts STOP, you are doing something wrong. Ive been in the same boat, I register and see blood, assume everything is good to go, and as I press down the syringe I notice one of two things (or both): The injection is hurting/burns or the plunger is giving me a lot of resistance (requires a lot more pressure than usual to press down). Either way, despite seeing the blood and thinking "WTF, I registered!!," it means you are NOT in a vein and should abort.

We've all been there and despite the warning sign we've pushed that plunger down anyway but ignoring the early warning sign always results in the same thing - a missed shot that becomes a pain in the ass to attend to (and you loose your shot).

The burning sensation has only happened to me a handful of times, but despite a clean register, if I push down and the plunger seems to be stuck, just stop everything and start over - you've missed.

Actually if anyone knows the answer I am really curious - why DOES the plunger offer more resistance to being pushed when you're not in a vein? I'm glad it works that way since it's an awesome warning sign that you're not registered, but what causes it?

Anyway, Mr Blue Man, next time you start to push down and it either burns or the plunger feels stuck, stop what you're doing and find a new place to inject. We all know even one tiny unit injected as a miss can be painful and cause swelling; being hard headed and injecting the whole shot anyway because "you KNOW you registered properly and it SHOULD work dammit" is just, well, blissful thinking ;-)
 
The injection is hurting/burns or the plunger is giving me a lot of resistance (requires a lot more pressure than usual to press down). Either way, despite seeing the blood and thinking "WTF, I registered!!," it means you are NOT in a vein and should abort.
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I had this happen last night! I'm usually pretty proficient with a 5mm needle but the pharmacist gave me the half inchers and the effect has been devastating. My vein are close to the surface and rather easy to hit, this long needle ended up ripping my veins up so badly. I would try to insert all the way because it's so easy for the needle to slip in/out if you don't get it in there all the way. So I'd come in at a VERY slight angle and end up going over top of the vein (and it hurt like fuck!!) OR going right through. If I actually made it in there, I'd be so nervous that I would shake and twist the needle around in there and attempt to register many times because of all the shaking.

Anyway, I was on my last clean rig of the night after going a little wild with IV MPDV and was attempting to hit a vein smack in the center of my forearm. Went in and disliked the angle so I pulled out and tried again further up with better success. Pulled back on the plunger and got a burst of air and some blood, I started shaking and my hand were sweaty as hell (maybe from the PV) and I couldn't pull back the plunger to try and register again. I guess I finally did register and slipped the needle around as I tried to grip it to press down on it.

When I started to press down, the plunger was offering a lot of resistance. It also seemed like the needle was sliding itself out as I tried to press the plunger. I decided to abort, unsure of what had happened but glad I didn't just slam the plunger down.

Immediateley I could see a bump form. Within a few minutes it got painful to press on, and then an angry purple reddish bruise could be seen running along the vein with some wider swelling around the injection site. I definitely spent some time panicking about abscesses and other complications but today it's just bruised and only raised ever so slightly so I think it's going to be okay.

I absolutely cannot use the longer needles, I have bruises everywhere on both arms, I skewered the vein in the crook of my arm by poking the damn thing 4 times, I have little patches of red blood in many locations, my arms have always been pristine but after two days of these needles they are a fucking warzone. I guess some people can use these just fine but they're just not right for me.

I ended up reusing one of my short needles that has been used easily 4 or 5 times and it went in, I registered and shot and it didn't even leave a mark. I know that I don't need to put the needle all the way in with the long ones to hit the vein, but being able to slide the needle around is distressing to me as I fear I will miss the shot.
 
It's hard to say without seeing exactly where you were going - but you may have hit an artery. These are noramlly a little deeper and hard to hit with just a 1/2" tip - but I guess it's possible. Signs - frothy blood in barrel, burning sensation when you inject, plunger or whole rig being pushed back out. And then you got swelling and a bruise. All classic artery signs.

And yeah - don't inject into arteries - apart from the pain and bruising, the blood flows towards your extremities. Any crap in your mix will block your capillaries and you risk gangrene!
 
Missed IV Sub/Diphen

Registered in the vein in the hinge of the elbow, saw the flash, drew back saw dark red, began to plug, no burning etc... Pull out there is drop of blood on tip of rig... NO stinging etc.. Wake up this morning, small lump, hard as a rock 3-4mm above (toward shoulder) iv site. Kind of warm to touch, kept heat pad on it all mornin til now.. About to put ice on it. Cant tell if size has changed. I have the following antibiotics on hand. 18 100mg doxycycline. 21 500mg amoxicillin. 3 500mg cipro. Should I start a self course of antibiotics/nsaids?? Advice is appreciated. I know I shouldn't be IVing Sub/Diphenhydramine.

Anyone with ANY advice who has viewed this? :(
 
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You may not have missed. You may have collapsed or blocked the vein with a badass clot, which makes this hard knot. It may also dissolve with some time. If it is a miss, you'll want to warm it up. A hot bath every so often will help, it will dilate the capillaries and it should slowly be reabsorbed within a few days. You can ice it as well to reduce swelling. If it doesn't hurt, but doesn't change size after few days, it's probably not a miss.

Keep an eye on it. The sub (and possibly) the diph has starch in it, which harbors bacteria well. But it's not a guarantee it will get infected even if it is a miss.

Don't take the anti-biotics if you don't have an infection. If it becomes painful to the touch, starts to get red, and feels hot you'll want to see a doctor. They may prescribe anti-biotics, but the usual course of action is to cut it out or drain it.

For the future, don't boot the shit. Get some real dope to shoot. But if you must, for some damn reason invest in some micron filters. You can find them online.
 
shoot saline coke or heroin if you are having needle cravings....leave the suboxone for kicking, and the diphen for potentiation (oral!).

Its possible that as you pulled the outfit out a little bit of the solution leaked out of the vein; how often do you use this vein? Were you using a tourniquet? If so did you untie before pushing the plunger?
 
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im noticing slight green discoloration at the spots of injection, what could this be?
 
^: It's biliverdin, a breakdown product of hemoglobin. When the vein is punctured, blood can leak from the vein and pool in the surrounding tissue. Here it's broken down by the body and in the process the blood changes color.

The breakdown of hemoglobin goes like this: hemoglobin (red) -> biliverdin (green) -> bilirubin (yellow) ->hemosiderin (brown).

Same thing happens with ordinary bruises.
 
Well I have a question, not really a complication, in regards to the physical consequences of IV use. Figured it didn't need its own thread.

I have been IV'ing MDPV for quite some time now. Got a nice little dependence going. Anyway, I usually will binge my way shot by shot through a grams worth or so in usually about a week. Then I will be dry for a week or so. Then repeat. The point is when I'm using, like any other speedfreak, I will be doing shot after shot after shot after shot in a short period of time. I try to have the best technique possible and always rotate. Most of the time I succeed, but when things get 'tense' I tend to get a bit rushed and often times Harm Reduction and Safer Injection information is tossed out the window to get that next shot in.

Now my question is:
I have abused the shit out of my veins at times... When I'm using I shoot way more shots per day than a heroin user would.

WHY are my veins seemingly in such good condition? I see so many H users here speaking of collapsed veins and 'using up all their veins', etc. Why is it that I've never lost one?

Is it just that heroin (street heroin) is that much more damaging to the veins than MDPV, or are most of those people shooting tar? or what?


I'm not complaining, don't worry. In fact I'm incredibly grateful my body has put up with this abuse thus far. I'm merely trying to paint myself a picture of the future.
 
I got some short tip needles by accident.. They are short as he'll, will they still work for iving? They seem barely long enough to hit a vein
 
Only one way to find out.^

If you have deep veins that aren't visible it probally wont. I use 1/2 inch needles and only have to stick it in about half way into a arm vein when the vein is nice and plump/visible. But when i'm cold or it's just hiding for some reason I need to stick it more than 3/4's the way in to hit the same vein. So it depends. Hand veins are usually more towards the top so dont need as much length.

ektamine said:
Well I have a question, not really a complication, in regards to the physical consequences of IV use. Figured it didn't need its own thread.

I have been IV'ing MDPV for quite some time now. Got a nice little dependence going. Anyway, I usually will binge my way shot by shot through a grams worth or so in usually about a week. Then I will be dry for a week or so. Then repeat. The point is when I'm using, like any other speedfreak, I will be doing shot after shot after shot after shot in a short period of time. I try to have the best technique possible and always rotate. Most of the time I succeed, but when things get 'tense' I tend to get a bit rushed and often times Harm Reduction and Safer Injection information is tossed out the window to get that next shot in.

Now my question is:
I have abused the shit out of my veins at times... When I'm using I shoot way more shots per day than a heroin user would.

WHY are my veins seemingly in such good condition? I see so many H users here speaking of collapsed veins and 'using up all their veins', etc. Why is it that I've never lost one?

Is it just that heroin (street heroin) is that much more damaging to the veins than MDPV, or are most of those people shooting tar? or what?


I'm not complaining, don't worry. In fact I'm incredibly grateful my body has put up with this abuse thus far. I'm merely trying to paint myself a picture of the future.
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How long have you been doing this? I think the "week off" is giving it more time to heal itself, rather than a heroin user who is jabbing their veins every day without taking a break. And yes tar does fuck up veins quite fast. Where i live we have #4 powder H and in the past have used the same 2 main veins in both of my arms for about 2 years daily, at least 4x a day, before they stopped working. That was only because i was using dull and re-used rigs. So its very possible to keep your veins in good shape using proper technque and new rigs. But after a certain amount of time and lots of injecting into the same vein over and over it's just a matter of time before you'll start to see consequences.
 
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^ Thanks for the reply. It's been about a year now, and not a consistent week on week off schedule or anything, sometimes I'd go longer and sometimes I'd break longer. But I figure thats probably somewhere near the average. I would be quick to agree with you that the break period is doing at least some good for me, as each time I return my veins feel way healthier, are way easier to hit, seem to have better/faster blood flow, etc - compared to the end of the binge. Especially because I fit a pretty decent amount of exercise / lifting in, even more when I'm not using.

Its also nice to hear that you used your 2 main lines for so long before they gave up on you (although I'm sorry that had to happen to you), I know everyone's body reacts uniquely but this is still reassuring to me.
 
cire113 said:
God this blows I bought a box of short needles they fucking suck... Only veins I can hit are hands
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Hmm.. You sure you don't just need a little more practice w/ 'em?

I have very few veins on my arms (only the deepest, like the top of my forearm and the meatiest part of my biceps) that I would ever need more than a 5/16" (short tip) needle for. Even those ones I can usually hit right after a hot shower and a few sets of pull-ups / push-ups / curls. It did take me a handful of pricks & a bit of digging to adjust my technique though, coming from 1/2" tips.

Maybe try experimenting with your angle of insertion a little bit? Using a larger angle will get you deeper. Or maybe you just have super deep veins. Idk.
 
Hello.
I need some help I don't know where to find info for my problem so I came here to see if anyone can help me.

I've been injecting heroin everyday since last December, using cotton to filter and making everything very clean using new needles, alcohol etc. But days ago I ran out of heroin and I injected what was left in the spoon from the day before. The liquid in the needle was different, it has like something wich did not dissolved in the water but I inject it anyways. That happen two days ago and since I been vomiting all the time and I can't stop. I havent stop use heroin though.

Does anyone knows what is happening to me and what can I do to stop vomiting. I will be grateful. Sorry for the errors my english is not my first language.
 
@ Yereve

There is no way for us to know what was in the spoon. The best thing you could do is go see a doctor and be honest. You say you have been vomiting for 2 days even though you're still using H. A possibility could be a bacterial infection, and that can be very serious, as in life threatening.

Good Luck bro. I hope you feel better.
 
Thank you greatly for the reply
Tomorrow I will visit my doc.

I remember that day I did not used the cotton and I inject all that was left like remains of the heroin. I'm sure there were something like mud or dust...I know I'm fuck up and scared.
 
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