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Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

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If your right hand is more steady, that's what counts IMO. You should still have great veins your left arm.

That's just my 2 cents though. You can do practice shots with sterile water so you can get a feel for what is feasible for you.
 
yo CH, that's crazy about your rigs. I think we use the same ones. Mine leak out the plastic part before the tip though, but I can fix that by screwing it on tighter. It's strange that happened to you. Aren't 5/16" the best?
 
I'm relatively new to injection (8 weeks or so) and thought i'd share some random tips & tricks vie learned, just in case it may help someone out (we all know people are likely to read the last page of this thread but not necessarily the previous 13 pages!!)

- I always clean my gear with an alcohol pad prior to use (skin I plan to inject, pill crusher, spoon and stirring tool)

- no matter how many mg of drugs I'm using, I always use enough water to fill the syringe (more water is easier on the veins). Knowing exactly how much water to use can be tricky, so I keep an old, clean, never used for drugs syringe around that i fill with sterile water and inject into the spoon. The amount sucked up by the cotton should give you just enough empty space in your rig to pull back and register.

- If I'm having a really unlucky day and after 4 attempts ive stabbed myself without finding a vein, I open a new syringe, fill it with my shot and start over. Dull needles = bad.

- Even if i register and see blood, I inject very slowly and carefully at first, checking for any sign of my skin swelling/bubbling, which is an indication that you are missing your shot. If I even THINK I see a skin swell I stop injecting and carefully examine the area, preferably moving into another light source (sometimes shadows can fool you). If I think I may have missed, I pull back again. If there is no blood, pull out and start over, preferably in a fresh spot.

- halfway through your shot, pause for a few seconds before continuing. This makes life easier on your veins and substantially reduces the risk of overdose.

- even if all goes well and I make a perfect shot, I always apply a warm compress for a few minutes; I find it aids in healing and helps reduce any marks left.
 
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^ that's good advice, though I'm not sure about always filling the syringe. When your using drugs like cocaine, you want to use as little water as possible, and you always no matter what the drug, want to leave a good amount of room to register. However, when it comes to shooting pills, i agree with you that the more water the better.
 
Magnetic needles

Captain.Heroin said:
Oh wow man, I would've thrown that shot full of whatever on the floor too!

Too bad the needle tips aren't magnetic, then you could just get a magnet and suck it back out. But I don't think they are...alas. :(

That sounds like such a scary experience, I am so sorry for you!

There's a case study however of a girl who had 2 needles snapped off *AND* she declined to have one of them removed!!! 8o8o8o8o8o8o8o



I wish you the best of luck man! I am proud of you. Giving up the needle is greater for some people than giving up any one drug. I think you're making great strides for yourself in your life!
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I just tested the BD needles I have and they are magnetic, but they are so small you would have to have a very strong magnet to pull them out if they broke off.

It would still be better to go to the hospital and let them get it out though.
 
Znegative said:
yo CH, that's crazy about your rigs. I think we use the same ones. Mine leak out the plastic part before the tip though, but I can fix that by screwing it on tighter. It's strange that happened to you. Aren't 5/16" the best?
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Yeah I love my 5/16" tips, woudln't trade it in for anything. I really would be able to efficiently use 3/16" on some veins and even 1/16" on some very few select veins which are very close to the surface.
 
yeah, they don't make any marks too, especially if your using the 30g or 31g, which I think I remember you saying you do. I just can't imagine shooting into my hands with a 1/2" 27g needle...ekk.
 
Znegative said:
yeah, they don't make any marks too, especially if your using the 30g or 31g, which I think I remember you saying you do. I just can't imagine shooting into my hands with a 1/2" 27g needle...ekk.
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Yeah now adays the only ones I use are 31g, 5/16", and 3/10CC is the most common volume, though 1/2CC are still used sometimes. I am planning on getting 1CC ones too just in case I have a special, more diluted drug to play around with. =D
 
I also shoot in my hands on occasion and I agree, the 31g needles really don't leave a mark. I'm stuck with the half inch spike, but I've gotten the hang of not going too deep.

Hey, is there any reason not to use a plastic spoon? I have a really heavy duty one that I use for my dilaudid, so obviously I'm not heating it.

Oh and another question - I usually have to go back to the cotton and draw up 5 or 6 times before I get all the juice - is that normal? In movies they always seem to suck it all up with one pull!

I'm using tightly packed Q-tip cotton heads, so I guess in some way its a good thing that it takes such an effort to draw up, I'm thinking it means I'm filtering better.

Or am I just doing something wrong??
 
^that's normal, I've been shooting opana, and if you prep it in the same way you would coke or heroin, yeah, it takes a bit longer. My friend showed me how to backload though, which makes it so much easier.

take an oral syringe, and push a damp cotton down to the bottom. Then take your crushed dilaudid and poor that down the barrel of the oral syringe too.

Now comes the sort-of tricky part, but it's pretty easy too. Measure out say 70 units of water with a regular 1 mL syringe, and squirt that in the back of the oral syringe. Now hold the oral syringe on it's side, and slowly push the bare minimum of the plunger back into it. A small amount of fluid is going to lead out the tip, so you're going to want to make sure that you have a plate, or your cooker under neath it.

Once the plungers in, hold the syringe up, so the solution goes to the bottom of the barrel. I usually at this point push it up a little bit with the plunger, and wait a little while to make sure that it's mixed well. Then you just push down on the plunger of the oral syringe, and spray out your solution, which should be almost clear, and it's as easy to draw up as dope!
 
^ I use a very similar method Z, but instead of a 10cc oral syringe I use a 3cc BD Luer-Loc syringe.

I put losely packed cotton in and push it down with the plunger slightly packing it down. I then add crushed Dilaudid and 80 units of water, replace plunger and shake. Now I stand the syringe upright (needle up) and wait for the particulate to settle to the bottom for about 5-10 minutes.

I have a 1.5" long piece of very small diameter vinyl tubing that fits snuggly around the 25g needle, I have bent this in a U shape so it points down when the syringe is upright. Now while holding the syringe upright to keep the particulate at the bottom as to not clog the cotton up, I push the plunger and empty it into a cooker, getting back between 60-70 units of the 80 I started with.

Now to recover any remaining HM bound in the cotton and binder/filler particulate, I remove the plunger (particulate is now pressed against the cotton) and add 30-40 units of water and shake again and let settle for a few minutes and once again press plunger down firmly pressing as much of the solution as possible out of the cotton & binders into cooker.

At this point I will have about 80 units in my cooker, I get a fresh 3cc syringe, remove plunger and attatch a 13mm 0.2um micron filter, add solution from cooker and backload a 1cc fit as it comes out of the micron filter. I now remove the micron filter, remove plunger and re-attatch the micron (not good to pull air back through micron) and add 10 units of water and push through micron into barrel of 1cc fit to flush any remaining HM from the micron filter.

When the process is complete, I have about 90 units in the fit, leaving plenty of room to register.
 
What's the most dilaudid any of you have shot in one go? I haven't done more than 16mg at once, mostly because I couldn't feel the difference between that and a 12mg shot.

Still, I'm tempted to try a mega shot and see if, at least once, I can beat my tolerance into submission and actually get high.

I could probably dissolve up to 32mg in one shot... Anyone ever do that much?
 
Does this mean I went through the vein?

Let's say I poke and draw back to register, but only get air. However, as I'm slowly pulling the needle out to try again, suddenly it fills with blood.

Does that mean I went through the vein, and it made contact with the bloodstream on the way out?
 
Znegative said:
^that's normal, I've been shooting opana, and if you prep it in the same way you would coke or heroin, yeah, it takes a bit longer. My friend showed me how to backload though, which makes it so much easier.

take an oral syringe, and push a damp cotton down to the bottom. Then take your crushed dilaudid and poor that down the barrel of the oral syringe too.

Now comes the sort-of tricky part, but it's pretty easy too. Measure out say 70 units of water with a regular 1 mL syringe, and squirt that in the back of the oral syringe. Now hold the oral syringe on it's side, and slowly push the bare minimum of the plunger back into it. A small amount of fluid is going to lead out the tip, so you're going to want to make sure that you have a plate, or your cooker under neath it.

Once the plungers in, hold the syringe up, so the solution goes to the bottom of the barrel. I usually at this point push it up a little bit with the plunger, and wait a little while to make sure that it's mixed well. Then you just push down on the plunger of the oral syringe, and spray out your solution, which should be almost clear, and it's as easy to draw up as dope!
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i use that exact same method, and i try to recommend it to others as well. i feel like i get a better filtration from the cotton if i do it this way. even if you only fill cotton to the 10 unit line, that's still a lot more cotton that the solution has to pass through than a small, tiny ass rolled up one. plus i can make sure i get every last drop out of my shot by squeezing that cotton dry.
 
John_Burrows said:
Let's say I poke and draw back to register, but only get air. However, as I'm slowly pulling the needle out to try again, suddenly it fills with blood.

Does that mean I went through the vein, and it made contact with the bloodstream on the way out?
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yes. i've had that happen before. some people recommend that once you go below the skin, pull out on the plunger a tiny bit, so that way when you do enter the vein you see the blood shoot in when the needle is on it's way to the vein, instead of when the needle is coming back out of the backside of the vein.

staying hydrated before shooting is also a good idea. some people take advil or aspirin to thin their blood beforehand, so that the thick blood can get through. i just normally drink a few glasses of water like 30 mins before i shoot and i find that my blood goes through a lot more easier.
 
John_Burrows said:
What's the most dilaudid any of you have shot in one go? I haven't done more than 16mg at once, mostly because I couldn't feel the difference between that and a 12mg shot.

Still, I'm tempted to try a mega shot and see if, at least once, I can beat my tolerance into submission and actually get high.

I could probably dissolve up to 32mg in one shot... Anyone ever do that much?
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The solubility of Hydromorphone in water is 333mg/ml


Check these threads out:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=505620

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=30271
 
need advice for complications after injecting

hey can anyone give advice or opinions on y this may have happened..

Last nite i injected suboxone into the vein in the centre of my arm (elbow area) and afterwards it was a bit tender then this morn i woke up n noticed it was a tiny bit swollen and a lil bit tender but i didnt think much of it and i had another shot around the same area i had the last one and since then the tenderness has increased and it has become even more swollen and now has developed redness and now feels hard to touch. The area that is affected is just above the injection site.

i am a bit worried and dont know if this is something that will go away or if i need to get it seen by a doctor asap
 
it sounds as if you missed both shots. being that it's swollen, has hardened and is reddening there's a chance it will turn into an infected abscess. they're a few of the tell tale signs.

also, if you've missed a shot don't go shooting near that area again until it has fully healed because, as has happened in this case, it only increases your chance of missing another shot and doing more harm to yourself. find another area. or at least shoot a couple inches above the point of the last injection site

Abscesses
An infected abscess is a localised collection of pus that is encapsulated within inflamed tissue (Figure 9). It can be caused by a wide range of bacterial and fungal infections. An abscess is different from cellulitis in that it has a defined edge and shape.

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An abscess is characterised by:

* raised skin surface;
* localised heat;
* tenderness and pain;
* redness of the skin (in white people);
* pus formation; and
* a foul smell if it has begun to discharge.

People with abscesses should be referred for medical advice and treatment. The abscess will require antibiotic treatment and/or lancing to release the pus.

Injectors should be told never to try to lance or puncture abscesses themselves. This can spread infection and without appropriate antibiotic cover they can quickly develop septicaemia (blood poisoning). They should be encouraged to alternate injecting sites as this will lessen the risk of localised inflammation, infection and abscess formation.
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so if it starts to get even worse over the next 24 hours seek medical attention asap. no fucking around.

merging into IV complications thread.
 
Thank u so much for ur advice leftwing i really appreciate it n i am feeling a lil better now having some idea of wat might b wrong. I will def take ur advice u have really helped me out n put my mind at ease a lil.. thanks again
 
not a problem, it's what we're here for:)

as i said in my PM to you i would definitely get it checked out by a doctor, most importantly straight away if it starts to deteriorate.
 
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