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Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

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^I'm a little confused but I'm guessing you aren't seeing an orthopedist? Unless you broke off a needle tip in a bone or something. Maybe they are called in if you have a calcified cyst which has attached to bone as well?

It's likely you misspoke though and have a cyst of some sort. It can be fluid filled or have solidified. Sort of like a deep pimple if you will. There is generally little you can do but unless they are getting worse won't be that dangerous. Rupturing them could be dangerous though and result in infection of the surrounding tissue. I believe that if it is still within the epidermis it may be treated by draining, and if it is deeper it will be removed intact but that may just be preference as well.

Here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmWS5jGnKjE
 
Im sorry i though orthopedists took care of muscle issues.

What specialist should I visit for this matter?
 
Oh yeah I was thinking of it more as a skin issue (i.e. dermatologist). I suppose if there is substantial muscle loss/damage then you would need to see an orthopedist. Is it actually within your muscle? I suppose that would be a bigger surgery as well. We don't get much IM here, mostly IV, or SC.
 
It not too deep, I believe its right below the skin. Its imperceptible tho, i have to touch it to feel it.
 
Slow draw = cleaner shot?

Do you (and by you I mean anyone reading this who feels like answering) think a fair rule of thumb when filtering through cotton is the longer it takes for the syring to fill, the cleaner your solution is?

For example, if I just break off any loose piece of cotton and throw it in the spoon, when I draw up through it the syringe fills up in like a second or two. But if I break off the head of a Q-tip (which is a very dense, tightly packed piece of cotton) and draw up through that, the syringe fills much more slowly, like ten seconds or so.

Obviously this is because it takes more effort for the liquid to pass through the denser cotton, but I'm wondering if this is also a good sign that the shot is being filtered more thoroughly.

Logically, it makes sense to me, but I'm wondering if it's actually true or not.
 
Almost John. A better way to consider is that when you just throw a wisp into the solution, than it's not enough filter, full stop. Yes I guess there's a correlation, but it's not the causation. The fact is that a tightly packed cotton ball is a better filter than a wisp of cotton, and as a result it would take longer to draw it. But it's not the length of the draw, it's the quality of the filter.
 
Do you (and by you I mean anyone reading this who feels like answering) think a fair rule of thumb when filtering through cotton is the longer it takes for the syring to fill, the cleaner your solution is?

For example, if I just break off any loose piece of cotton and throw it in the spoon, when I draw up through it the syringe fills up in like a second or two. But if I break off the head of a Q-tip (which is a very dense, tightly packed piece of cotton) and draw up through that, the syringe fills much more slowly, like ten seconds or so.

Obviously this is because it takes more effort for the liquid to pass through the denser cotton, but I'm wondering if this is also a good sign that the shot is being filtered more thoroughly.

Logically, it makes sense to me, but I'm wondering if it's actually true or not.


My opinion: The more effort to filter, the more effective the filtering is.

I think that density of filter does matter, and you will filter out more, but also clog more (which might lead to loss of desired substance)... I'd go with some micron wheel filters instead, that way you know exactly the particle size that can get through. If not available, the denser the cotton, the better, and squeeze it after soaking it until it is just about to drip, to avoid sucking in air (less airs in pores, means more liquid in your syringe).
I don't like using cotton, because I always feel like the cotton is holding back too much of the good stuff (I've filtered and IV'd Subutex a couple times with cotton until I got wheel filters, and I'd suck on the cotton afterwards to get the remaining goodies)... But I am not a pro in filtering, but the more effort you need to get it through, the better the filtering I think (or the more the clogging)...

Think of it as groundwater passing through a sandy aquifer (large pore space - more permeability) - the water comes through easier and transports particles easier, while water passing through a silt or till layer (less pore space - less permeability) will have a harder time permeating it, and less particles will get through...

 
needle pullout speed when IV'ng Dope

im a bit confused on how slow to pull out the needle. if the site bleeds (not much, just a drop) is that bc im pulling out too fast? also that plaunger thing is tricky to get a smooth push on it. I always wind up doing it in small spurts. does it matter? also, it ITCHES. but i guess all small cuts itch and im being paranoid.

so whats the consensus on speed of needle pullout?
 
im a bit confused on how slow to pull out the needle. if the site bleeds (not much, just a drop) is that bc im pulling out too fast? also that plaunger thing is tricky to get a smooth push on it. I always wind up doing it in small spurts. does it matter? also, it ITCHES. but i guess all small cuts itch and im being paranoid.

so whats the consensus on speed of needle pullout?

A drop of dark blood after injection is a good sign. It means you actually hit the vein and succesfully injected into it, and probably not because you are pulling out too fast (although I would think the slower one pulls, the better a chance the vein has to close before removing the needle - it's been highly variable for me, and so far I've IV'd probably about 15 times or so). The drop of blood coming out is because of the low blood pressure leading the blood back to the heart (veins transport oxygen-depleted blood - dark red - to the heart, while arteries transport light red blood (oxygen-rich) to the different limbs and parts of the body and the blood will have a lighter red color. So be happy about the drop of blood. just put a swab on it, and sterilize the penetration site a few minutes after injection.

And in terms of avoiding sporadic plungers, get yourself 2ml Luer single-use syringes, real smooth plunging with a good amount of resistance and plenty of space for draw-back.

Since you're shooting opiates, itchiness is normal all over, so scratch somewhere other than the IV site... I personally love scratching my scrotum while on heroin... But don't touch your scrotum, and then the IV site... The itching could also be your body reacting to the foreign substances, a histamine reaction for example, but it is normal for IV and tattoo sites and so on to be itchy right after needle penetration, and perhaps for some time afterwards also - DO NOT SCRATCH because A) you've got shit-tons of bacteria under your nails whether you like it or not, and B) you're just going to prolong the healing process. If you are using cotton to filter, and cotton to dab, the itching may also be due to that, tiny strands of cotton could enter or irritate IV site. So if alcohol wipes and wheel filters are available, stick to those.

I use Dettol (best anti-septic ever, can't get enough of that smell - smell reminds me of all my magic mushroom growing adventures, and spring cleaning of the apartment, IV'ing and veterinary clinics) to clean my injection sites after injection, and if I fuck up and get a bulge and skin rashing due to some solution missing the vein and going in the skin or under it, I might eat some anti-histamines like acrivastin for example, 8 mg will do, and I will raise my arm to about shoulder position, to keep blood pressure low - hang back in the sofa style. For post treatment of injection sites, I use a panthenol containing cream which is meant for treatment of damaged or irritated skin and is recommended by all tattoo artists after you've gotten your ink done [and sold at a much higher price in the tat parlour, so to save cash. get it from the pharmacy] - panthenol is an alcohol analog of vitamin B5, and can be found in many ointments and creams - just get an ointment that contains as few unnecessary ingredients as possible - stay natural, stay sterile (Pro-vitamin B5is essential for the skin to function normally , and it's actually dexpanthenol that the ointments contain, which is converted to Pro-vitamin B5 upon contact with skin due to oxidation processes and the evaporation of hydrated substances and phenoxyethanol inside the cream, or other alcohol derivatives and analogues).

So to sum up... take it easy needle wise - slowly in, plunge with consistency (might require getting some better gear or better technique - practice makes perfect - go to your nearest needle exchange and stock up on everything, and get extra for the fuck ups, so you're not empty handed when you need it). and then slowly out.

Any adverse reactions, be patient, and if no to slight pain upon application of slight to moderate pressure is felt, then see how healing goes without touching site too much during a 24-hour period - definitely no scratching. By then it should have worsened or gotten better, and then you'll know whether to worry or not. If there is pain, and increasing pain, seek medical advice (this can be done via the internet, your doctor, your ORT clinic, friends with experience - hell send a pic to the Captain or something, just get out there and find reliable resources that will provide the right medical attention that you need - for amateur IV experience and veteran drug experience in terms of reaction to different substances, side effects and so on, feel free to PM me.
 
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So if I had the tourniquet tight while registering, pulled back the plunger and dark blood filled the chamber, but then, having stopped, pulled it back a tiny bit further and this time no more blood came up, was I still good? I shot 5-10ml of that, and tried again with the other portions, finding similar results. With almost none left (~15ml) it was, however, filling with more blood and registering more normally it seemed each time I pulled back, not just the first... I'm a little confused though, and concerned. What happened before?

So far (many hours since) no indications of a miss (redness, pain, swelling, burning, etc., been there in past sadly, but do know what to look for - I think), and yet still I only got a single good register before that big hit. If it matters, this was in the elbow crook, inside. Is it because I kept the tourniquet tightly on even after registering the first time? Should I next time let it go prior to the plunge? Or is this fine as is? Or am I in danger?

Thank you all, and to all a safe (pointy) chemicaled dreamlanded night...
 
So if I had the tourniquet tight while registering, pulled back the plunger and dark blood filled the chamber, but then, having stopped, pulled it back a tiny bit further and this time no more blood came up, was I still good? I shot 5-10ml of that, and tried again with the other portions, finding similar results. With almost none left (~15ml) it was, however, filling with more blood and registering more normally it seemed each time I pulled back, not just the first... I'm a little confused though, and concerned. What happened before?

So far (many hours since) no indications of a miss (redness, pain, swelling, burning, etc., been there in past sadly, but do know what to look for - I think), and yet still I only got a single good register before that big hit. If it matters, this was in the elbow crook, inside. Is it because I kept the tourniquet tightly on even after registering the first time? Should I next time let it go prior to the plunge? Or is this fine as is? Or am I in danger?

Thank you all, and to all a safe (pointy) chemicaled dreamlanded night...

I'm no expert, but I've had a number of very successful shots, so just a little hypotehtical input (I had a hard time trying to understand exactly what your issue was, but if I understood correctly, this might help):

If you are using a tourniquet, then I think that the lack of blood drawback on second attempt, is either due to lowered pressure around the needle in the vein - and drawing back can actually be quite hard, as it requires a bit of force on the plunger, and usually one only has a finger or two for this at a weak angle, so maybe you're just not drawing back on the second attempt, or maybe it is because of the vacuum created from tourniquet + needle in vein etc.. maybe you clogged the needle? I dunno... And if you are shooting some, and then trying to draw back, the drawback will be dilute, as you just filled the vein with drug solution... so the color of the drawback will be much more faint...

And remember to release the tourniquet before shooting, and shoot all at once if everything is going fine.

If you shoot and you feel it, and you get no bulge, rash, irritation etc, then have no worries my friend. And isn't it quite a large shot, to be shooting 10-15 ml? that is 10 times what I would want to shoot...


[EDIT]: As this is a HR thread, moderators, please feel free to argue my points, delete my posts, or correct me where I am wrong, because I do not want to cause harm to anyone. I am new to IV'ing, but I am also getting quite good at it, and I am meticulous about filtering with the right micron size, so I do think that I have some valid points and worthy input in this post and previous posts to this thread. But beware, even though I am a scientist, and do things the 'right' way, there's always a thin line between right and wrong and they're both relative (thus so is the line), so for HR sake, please be aware that I am still a beginner in terms of IV drug use, but more of a veteran in terms of general drug use.
 
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I just came up with a great idea, and paused a great movie to post...

Any limb you inject in, especially those that have habits of reusing certain limbs (or other body parts for that matter)...
..and any bad physical habits, such as too much computing, little exercise, same posture for prolonged time periods, etc...

...focus on improved cardiovascular flow and energy balance by exercising and eating and drinking right...

...but mainly the new idea (referring to the title) is to use easy stretching exercises, such as yoga and other cool ways of making your body feel fucking great... Follow guides on the internet, short instructional videos on YouTube, inspiration from people exercising and stretching in your vicinity, etc... It is possible to do the most amazing stretches with great results and benefits any place anywhere...
...just maintain a healthy limb, and use as many HR tips and tricks as possible, and track marks and long-term damage will be minimal to none but the memory of you IV'ing somewhere there...
 
Missing the vein

So I'm new to IVing dope and this morning was very unsuccessful. I have trouble hitting the vein, I have no problem finding it I am skinny and have very pronounced veins but no matter how Manu times I stick myself I can't draw blood so I get frustrated and end uP shooting it anyway causing there to be a med sized bump. Is this bad or anymore harmful then mainlining? An am I wasting my fix?
 
Yeah, a missed shot is worse than a good hit. There is an increased risk of infection and the BA drops(wasting product).

Are you going through the vein? Have you tried a tourniquet? Have you tried a larger gauge needle, like a 27 or 28? Have you tried creating a bit of suction right after you pierce skin?


If you're often missing shots you should seriously consider a different route of administration. Severe iv complications from missed shots aren't as common as most think, but they DO happen and you're obviously increasing your changes with every miss.
 
So I'm new to IVing dope and this morning was very unsuccessful. I have trouble hitting the vein, I have no problem finding it I am skinny and have very pronounced veins but no matter how Manu times I stick myself I can't draw blood so I get frustrated and end uP shooting it anyway causing there to be a med sized bump. Is this bad or anymore harmful then mainlining? An am I wasting my fix?

the real question here is why did you make that huge leap from normal to IVing?

and to answer your question. Yes, you are wasting your fix:|
 
you are probably going through the vein, you need to go in practically parallel to your arm, just a small angle. Also like he said what you do is as soon as the needle is in the skin before you push it down any further you pull back a little on the plunger and keep it held back to create suction, as soon as you enter a vein the blood will come in so you know you are in the vein and also you can tell if you go through cause a little blood will go in and then it will stop wwhen you go through it, so then all you need to do is pull it back a little until you are back in the vein.

Also if you use the pull back method and still don't hit the vein you can kind of dig around with the needle until you find the vein, its not reccomended cause digging around a lot can damage your veins but it will help you find the vein and once you find it once it is a lot easier to hit in that same spot again. Either do that or find someone else who knows what they are doing to do it for you.
 
There's a lot of threads on this site on how to IV. Use the search engine and look up how to IV. Or go to the directory and find the IVing mega thread. There's even a map on where the veins are and which ones are best to hit.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=553554

^Check out this tread. It could really help you. I can't find the link to the IVing mega thread but this one has good info in it. Plus I posted a step by step way on how to iv.

Hope this helps. But use the search engine too.
 
Thanks guys. I'm a reg user but I sniffed. I think I'll stick to that cause I did everything you guys advised and still couldn't hit. It prob doesn't help the I'm a rail thin addict who doesn't do much eating. My arms are tore up so maybe well try again next week
 
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