injecting K..

[~*MEOW*~]

Ok, I've always wanted to know what it would be like to IM K and now I'm going to get the chance.. I have 2 friends who are doctors who are willing to administer the injection and supervise. If anyone has any info on the topic please post it here. There's very little in the trip reports. I'm also going to check out Erowid. I'm 5'10" and weight 150lbs.
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[Peetie]

mmm im k my fave.. sine i take roids i use a big pin usually 23g 1 inch and goes right in the ass..lol but you can gt away with using a slin pin 29g 100iu = 1cc for firts tiem i suggest 50iu or 1/2 cc...then again 2cc for me and im feelin good

 

[Roches]

well since you seem to be taking this pretty seriously (which is a good thing)...
if you have much experience with k already you should do 1-1.5 cc. 0.5cc would be good for someone who had no experience with it, but if you already have some idea of what to expect it's probably better to find yourself totally dissociated. 1.5 may be too much, but the ideal dose is probably in the range of 100-150 mg.
setting is extremely important. you will want near-total darkness or at least very dim light. you have about 2-3 minutes after IMing before you come up (but you may suddenly *fall* into a k-hole any time after that) to get ready. be positive, be relaxed. expect something deep, and you will get something deep.
stimuli of all kinds should be kept to a minimum; no music is good, actually, though it may calm you. it's best if you have no frame of reference whatsoever, no watches, no clocks, no light, nothing that changes with time. if you're really scared and comfortable with someone watching, fine, but don't expect to talk, don't try, and ask your observer not to talk, disturb or interact with you unless its totally necessary...
as for the IM thing itself, it's fairly easy, but if you're worried, you could have someone help. there are several acceptable sites for IM, some of which are better than others.
equipent: 25 gauge, 5/8", 3cc is about right, and it doesn't hurt much. if you do it yourself, remember to go very slowly. it may end up hurting less if you self-administer, if you're aware of what you're doing. you prolly already know that IM tends to get really sore after.

 

[vibr8tor]

Tap- that's fucked up. You did that 2-3 weeks ago and it's only gone down "a bit" since then? Did you inject yourself, or have someone do it for you?
Upper arm injections go in the deltoid muscle. If you rest your arm down along your body and look at the muscle on the very top part of your arm, under the shoulder, it forms a triangle. You can tense up your muscle to view it. That's the area you want to inject into. Feel around and find the center of it where the muscle is thickest.
When you inject, have the person do it quick and with a dart like motion. You really can't give yourself a deltoid IM injection- someone is going to have to do it for you. After they inject, they should pull back on the plunger and make sure that there is not a blood flashback into the syringe, cuz if there is you're in a blood vessel. If they inject it smoothly you might still have a little muscle soreness, but you shouldn't have any swelling or bulges.
I don't know what the fuck you did, but it sounds messed up.

 

[~*MEOW*~]

Well since as far as injecting I have no idea what I'm doing I figure it would be a good idea to have my DR. friend help out with the injection part and be there incase something happens. (I'm totally new to injecting) and my ex boyfriend who I'm friends with wants to try it too. I turned him on to K so maybe we can trip together. I've always snorted it before and have been doing it for a little more than a year.

 

[PhreeX]

Any doctor will be able to give you the injection with no problems, hell, you could hit yourself if you wanted to..
100mg is a good dose, and yeah, you're in for a wild ride.. others have given good advice on the setting and all that crap..
But you have doctor friends, you're a hottie, why not gobble a little cack for some scripts? Shit, for a months supply of OC80's there is, well, NOTHING I would not do..
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[~*MEOW*~]

PhreeX they'll write me scripts for whatever i want.. =)~

 

[Jabberwocky]

Did someone say K injection?!?!?
Aaaaah, my favorite subject - and my favorite drug! I think there is some great advice on this thread, but I want to add one last thing - be accurate with the dosing. I read a lot of replies saying: "Start with 1cc, or 1ml". please be careful and make sure to check what your concentration IS - when talking Ketamine I prefer to deal in total milligrams, thus eliminating the confusion inherent with liquid volumes and solution concentrations. Most Ketamine is sold in either 50mg/ml or 100mg/ml. As long as you calculate the total amount in the solution, you will be fine.
Also for first dose, I will beg you to start off conservatively. Ex: I have been doing Ketamine for a while now, and I have been doing lots of it. I am 5'8" and well built (ladies, please!) - keep this in mind when I say that I never need to inject more than 100mg... 90mg is usually my upper limit. That is a lot of K!!!
I actually injected 20mg my first time, just to get a feel for the drug. Each additional time I injected, i would increase the dose by 10mg. Many might see this as being overly cautious - but I can assure you that few people have had the opportunity to see what the full range of a drugs effects are like, as I was able to in titrating my Ketamine up slowly.
Furthermore, long ago I posted an email about the first time I injected my housemate. He is 5'9" and pretty thin, so we also started him with 20mg. For him, the dissociative experience proved to be so overpowering that he wimpered like a child for about 20 minutes begging me to make it stop. He literally couldn't move, just babble and cry. I know this is by no means a "Typical" response, but bear it in mind when you choose your starting dose. Make sure you are properly prepared for the sensation of dissociation - it is a powerful one.
The following is a link with a good dose chart/ body weight:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml
Again, I suggest starting low. Perhaps 30-45 mg? Glad to hear you're going to have a sitter - even better that it's a doctor.
Good luck however you decided to approach your trip. It's a powerful drug, but truly wonderful if used wisely. Keep us posted!
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[vibr8tor]

Hey S.G.- had your roomie ever snorted k before he injected, or was that his first experience with it?
The reason I'm asking is cuz I'm 5'1 and 100#, and I was planning on trying 50mg for my first injection, but I've snorted it bunches of times. I want the full k-hole experience, but at the same time, I don't want to over-do it.

 

[~*MEOW*~]

SG- also I've read on Erowid I believe not to have more than one injection in a sitting.. What's your advice on this?
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[Jabberwocky]

No, it was his first time ever doing K, so bare that in mind as well.
As far as injecting K multiple times in one sitting I have mixed feelings. If you are going low dose... let's say 20mg, then jumping up to 35-40mg on a second "Bump" wouldn't be so bad, but when you are talking about full on "K hole" - trips over 60mg... this can easily lead you down the road to addicition. It also greatly diminishes the intensity and impact of the trip. This is a very special drug, so I suggest you take steps to keep the experience special (Maybe saving K injections for certain occasions?). Take my word for all this, as I have had to deal with my own ketamine addiction. The desire to again dissociate... to chase after that last glimpse of enlightenment that you supposedly JUST BARELY missed out on can be overwhelming. I can't stress this enough, a ketamine addiction is a powerful one. It's the only type that ever got hold of me, opiods and benzos included.
I posted a link a few weeks ago to a great FAQ on ketamine's potential risks, in particular "Olney's lesions" on the brain. Something to remember is that the potential neurological damage is supposedly greater the longer you dissociate - so bottom line, multiple dosing = not good!
Learn to draw your line in the sand with K, and keep to your "Rules" so to speak, ie. max dose, max amount of times you would ever want to inject over time, etc.
Again, good luck - and keep us posted.
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"I dislike the drug you are using, but I would defend with my life your right to use it."
- Paraphrase on Voltaire
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
- Dr. Johnson
"We do not sense imagination enough to sense what we are missing."
-Jean Toomer

 

[vibr8tor]

Just wanted to post that I did it last night. I used {about} 50mg, maybe a little more, and dissolved it with sterile water from an injecting vial. I had my friend give it to me in my deltoid. It didn't really burn going in.
I was expecting to feel it instantly, but I think it actually took about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes until I could no longer sit up. I was on the couch, and gradually I started to feel like I really needed to lay down. After that, I think I was unconscious for about 5- 10 minutes, although my friends said that I periodically opened my eyes and looked around.
The first thing I remember after being out is trying to sit up and figure out where I was/ what was going on. Moving felt strange as fuck; I can't even try to describe how much effort a simple thing like adjusting my hands or licking my lips took. And occasionally I'd get a strong feeling that I needed to concentrate and breath. I couldn't make out who people sitting in the room were because my vision was so fucked up. At first I thought I was tripping super hard, but when I'd try to put things together I could remember somehow that I had injected K and that this was a k hole. I still had a cotton ball in my hand that I had held over the site and the texture of it was crazy.
Thoughts were just fragments and they moved pretty quickly but yet time had a really strange aspect. The two things that surprised me most was that injecting it is like a completely different drug than railing it; there's no comparison whatsoever. Snorting it makes me feel aware of things and brings my surroundings in clearer, even when I snort a lot. Injecting it made me feel numb from the inside out, and just sort of trapped me into dealing with the drug. Also, I wasn't expecting it to be nearly as powerful as it was, even though going into a k hole was my goal.
Although I'm borderline agnostic/athiest, when it was hitting me the hardest there was a powerful feeling that god was in the room. I remember feeling that very strongly, but yet when I try to think back on the experience I can't remember the thoughts that I had about it at all. I just remember that it was a big focal point. I guess that's probably one of the things that makes people want to do it again. It'll be a long time before I work up the nerve to inject K a second time, but I'm pretty certain that I'll eventually want another experience.
I was extremely worn out after it. I was able to walk to the bathroom with some help 40 minutes after injecting, and stumbled into the bedroom after that to lay down for another 20 minutes. I think it was about an hour after injecting that I was thinking a little clearer and was able to walk around fairly well, but I still felt pretty beat up for almost 2 hours after.
All in all, it was an interesting experience and I'm really glad that I got to safely go through it. Thanks to everyone here that offered advice. One funny thing was that in all the weird thoughts going through my head, I had thoughts and images of Bluelight and I realized that it was somehow connected to the fucked up existence that I was dealing with