INJECTING hydromorph-contin for the FIRST TIME, plz verify i'm doing it right

[ABadPerson]

Alright I'd like to start off by saying I've been doing hydros alot and i've always wanted to try IV'ing it so i got a couple insulin needles (only for this one use) off of a friend and i'm going to finally try it. To nod out I usually insufflate 12-16mg. For my first time IV'ing i will be using 4mg. Injecting the first time only half, and then using a separate sterile needle to dose the second half. (or should I do it all at once?)

So I read this guide on how to IV these timed-released capsules of hydromorphone and it seems to be quite thorough on what to do exactly. I read all of the replies as well and have decided i will not be 'cooking it' as the OP had mentioned in the guide, because common sense is kind of telling me not to cook down pharmaceutical pills.

So I'm just going to explain exactly what i'm going to do step by step, and i would like it if an experienced user could verify i'm not messing anything up and going to end up in the hospital or even worse, dead..

First I will crush the beads up into as fine of a dust as i possibly can. I will probably crush it for 20 straight minutes in a shotglass with a screwdriver just to make sure it is completely ground up. (I don't have a pestle and mortar nor would I like to keep one in my house, but the rounded-bottom shotglass with the rounded-bottom screwdriver make a pretty good alternative)

Once it is dust, I will put it onto a spoon, and then i will then measure out one cc of purified, distilled water into the spoon and mix it with the plunger. (I will mix it slow but thoroughly) question I have 1cc BD Ultra-Fine insulin syringes and it says '1cc for 100 units or less'. The increments on the needle go up in 10's to 100. This step means I fill the syringe with water all the way to the 100 unit line, correct?

After the solution is mixed, i will then put a compressed ball of cotton onto the syringe and suck up all of the liquid into the syringe until I notice it is sucking in only air. (I know i should be using a micron but I don't have access to them.) I will then hold the needle vertical and and tap the air bubbles to the surface and remove all of the excess air.

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NOW i wonder if i should repeat this process again by squeezing the solution back out of the needle onto another sterile spoon and again put a ball of cotton on, suck the liquid up and then use a new needle to get the liquid from the cotton. Would it be safer/necessary to do this step again or would it be pointless and unnecessary and make no difference and/or possibly just reduce the amount of hydromorphone being extracted?

If i repeat the filter method or not, I will then tightly rap a thin shirt around my upper arm and flex a bit to get the same needle nurses take blood samples from, and sterilize the area with alcohol and then inject the needle from an upward angle with the tip facing toward my shoulder. I will pull back slightly on the plunger to make sure i'm in the vein and verify some blood has been sucked into the syringe. I will then slowly inject the solution into my arm at a slow and steady rate. Once it is in my vein i will slowly pull it out and remove the shirt from my arm.



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Is this correct? Is what I have step-by-step said to you seem like the safest way to do it, and that i won't mess up and do something wrong?

I should be using COLD water too, correct? How long should i let the water and the powder mix before putting the cotton in it? Does it take a while to become soluble in the water or does it happen fast? Also by the end of this will i be putting 100 units of a 1cc syringe into my arm? Is that a lot of liquid or am I just tripping.

Thank you, I plan on doing this in 16 hours from now so hopefully someone who is experienced can help me. Thank you in advance.

 

[OsamaBinNoddin]

Yes, the guide you wrote up sounds exactly the way i was prepping hydro's. Yes, use cold water, and do not add heat at all to the solution, I would stir for atleast 3-5 minutes before sucking up the solution. Only reshoot out the solution on to a different spoon to re-filter, if you feel like you did not filter that good and particles got through.

 

[ABadPerson]

Another question - Can I prep the rig whenever and save it in the syringe for when i'm ready to use it or should i only prep when i'm about to use it? I'd like to prep it tomorrow, but just incase i don't get the chance to do it i'd like to put the cap back on the needle and store it for when i'm ready... Or is that a bad idea and i should only prep when i'm ready?

 

[Tommyboy]

I can only answer the actual act of IVing part, as I have never IVd hydromorph-contin.

I suggest filtering a second time as you have alluded to. Use a new needle the second time, as some solid particulates may stick the the inside of the first needle after you squirt the liquid out.

You are correct in using cold water, and if you cannot get an ampule of bacteriostatic water, you should use a new unopened bottle of water. The amount of water that you mentioned seems like it may be a lot, so wait to see what others have to say, as you will need some room to register blood. I have only IVd very small amounts of things, so I would only use a small amount of water, eyeballing it out to a half full syringe.

Mix it around for a few minutes. Keep in mind that the solid that you see on the bottom is not any of the "good stuff."

When you are going to inject, you may not need to tie a tourniquet around your arm, but this will depend on whether or not you can see the vein without using one. I do not use one since I rarely IV, and my veins are easy to see. It also eliminates a step, and make things easier since you have to untie the tourniquet before injecting the solution. Failure to do say may result in blowing out/rupturing a vein.

There is an easier method for registering in order to tell if you are in the vein. Once you have the tip of the needle the slightest bit in your skin, pull back a tiny bit in order to create a vacuum. This will make the blood flow into the barrel of the syringe right when you are in. I find this easier than pulling back at that shaky moment when you first think that you are in.

Only prep this when you are ready to use it. You don't want to give the solution any chance for bacterial growth, because even if you are being extremely cautious, you are still going to end up with a small amount of something in there. Also, recapping the syringe can cause the tip to become slightly damaged, and there is also the risk of pricking your finger. For these reasons, prep when ready, unless the conditions that you will be in later are less than favorable for that of IV drug preparation. In that case, you must refrigerate the preparation.

 

[effie]

^ Ninja'd by Tommy! :D

Overall that looks pretty good. As Tommy said you are going to want to leave some room to register though so 100 units / 1cc does seem a bit much (although there is a bit of extra space) - but like Tommy I've not prepped this particular drug so I'm not sure how much water you need. Less than that I would imagine, to dissolve 4mgs hydromorphone.

It makes me nervous when people don't use microns - please try to get hold of some, you can get them online (links in the micron filtering megathread) and here is the reason why... I would never IV a pill/beads without a micron; I appreciate that you are going to this time but if you repeatedly do so then particles from the filler/binders will accumulate in your lungs causing pneumoconiosis (also called talcosis if talc is the main culpret) which is a progressive lung diseae causing shortness of breath cough, and eventually death.

Apart from that - sounds good! Only prep right before you shoot, be prepared for it to take a while to get the hang of IVing if you haven't got brilliant veins - in fact it is sensible to practice a few times with just water (still don't inject unless you are sure you are in a vein though) until you get the hang of it. Always go for your crook first - most people have at least one good vein on one side; if you're lucky you'll have two on each side. If you don't have any obvious veins in your crook, have a feel, they may just not be visible - but it can take some practice being able to feel for veins. The next best place is your forearm but this is a little more tricky and I recommend having someone to show you and help out. Hands are not good as the veins are so small and roll, and are easily damaged, and feet are definitely not good! Make sure you rotate your sites to keep your veins healthy (without resorting to feet etc) - oh and always use a fresh needle! You should do this even if you fail to register with a shot (I appreciate most people won't, but you really should) - and you certainly should use a new one for a new shot.

Take a look at this pic:

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Any more questions, come back and ask

 

[ABadPerson]

^ Ninja'd by Tommy! :D

Overall that looks pretty good. As Tommy said you are going to want to leave some room to register though so 100 units / 1cc does seem a bit much (although there is a bit of extra space) - but like Tommy I've not prepped this particular drug so I'm not sure how much water you need. Less than that I would imagine, to dissolve 4mgs hydromorphone.

It makes me nervous when people don't use microns - please try to get hold of some, you can get them online (links in the micron filtering megathread) and here is the reason why... I would never IV a pill/beads without a micron; I appreciate that you are going to this time but if you repeatedly do so then particles from the filler/binders will accumulate in your lungs causing pneumoconiosis (also called talcosis if talc is the main culpret) which is a progressive lung diseae causing shortness of breath cough, and eventually death.

Apart from that - sounds good! Only prep right before you shoot, be prepared for it to take a while to get the hang of IVing if you haven't got brilliant veins - in fact it is sensible to practice a few times with just water (still don't inject unless you are sure you are in a vein though) until you get the hang of it. Always go for your crook first - most people have at least one good vein on one side; if you're lucky you'll have two on each side. If you don't have any obvious veins in your crook, have a feel, they may just not be visible - but it can take some practice being able to feel for veins. The next best place is your forearm but this is a little more tricky and I recommend having someone to show you and help out. Hands are not good as the veins are so small and roll, and are easily damaged, and feet are definitely not good! Make sure you rotate your sites to keep your veins healthy (without resorting to feet etc) - oh and always use a fresh needle! You should do this even if you fail to register with a shot (I appreciate most people won't, but you really should) - and you certainly should use a new one for a new shot.

Take a look at this pic:

NSFW:

Any more questions, come back and ask

My only question remaining is just how much water (exactly) should i be using (in units)?

 

[Tommyboy]

My only question remaining is just how much water (exactly) should i be using (in units)?

You may want to PM muvolution so ask him that. He knows a fair amount on the topic.

Also, you can try googling "hydromorphone solubility in water" and that may lead you to your answer.

 

[ABadPerson]

Okay so i thought i had sterile cotton somewhere in the house but i don't. All i have is (unsterile) cotton face pads or a whole bunch of sterile gauze pads.. (from the dentist and nose surgeon) Can gauze be used as a substitute for cotton?

i decided I'll just put on some sterile gloves and use q-tips as reccomended in the bluelight wiki for drug injection filters.

(*Personal note: I STRONGLY suggest NOT USING cigarette filters. Clean cotton balls would be ideal and Q tips pulled off with clean hands run a close second.)

i've put about 6 qtip heads in a sterilized shot glass. I will now resort to using purified, refrigerated water in a seperate sterile glass to put inside of the needle.

 

[ABadPerson]

k well i missed my god damned fucking vein like 6 fucking times when i did the second shot. I started freaking the fuck out with frustration cuz i couldnt draw any fucking blood into the damn needle so now i've got like 8 holes in my arm when i sohuld have only had two. The first shot was way more intense (even tho when i double filtered it i lost half the liquid) and the second shot now my arm just hurts.. Guess next time ill have to do a bigger dose. quite disappointed actually.

Why was the 'rush' so disappointingly short? It was incredibly powerful for five minutes and now i just feel stoned on them

 

[ABadPerson]

so here's the aftermath:


3 failed vein attempts on the left arm. Never made a successful injection on this arm. (this is where i was getting really angry because i kept missing the damn veins and didn't want to keep trying the same ones over and over. (also lol, the square on the very right of this picture is actually a freckle not an injection site)

here's the right arm where both injections went in. there's 3 holes in the one square, and then a weak and non-deep hole on the other side.

I don't get how i kept missing so much. The first time it went it, it was perfect, blood drew into the syringe and it was completely successful. All the other holes are just failed attempts after the first and successful attempt.

 

[muvolution]

You should get some sterile water and practice.

Also, your prep looks OK, but I would micron filter it anyways. The purer your solution, the less chance of complications, and microns remove bacteria, too, so its a win-win.

If you have further questions at this point, let me know.

As far as solubility, Go to town, bro. Solubility at room temp is 330mg/mL. You will never have a problem with using too little water.

 

[effie]

^ mu's right, practicing with sterile water is def a good idea. Still remember not to inject unless you are sure you are in a vein, and don't keep reusing the needle, but at least you can get yout technique down without wasting your drugs and potentially missing a shot and risking an abscess..

And definitely get some micron filters, link in my earlier post

Thanks for the solubility info mu! You def want to leave enough space in the syringe to register easily..

 

[muvolution]

When I am failing at life and injecting, I usually use no more than 95 units, just so there is some space to register.

Please remember that Hydromorphone does not give a strong and lasting high - it is by far the easiest opiate to chase the nod with, but you will never get there. It is just an intense 1-2minute rush followed by a very weak high. It leads to compulsive injecting and skyrockets your tolerance, I can recommend against this strongly enough.

If you must, though, try gpzservices for micron filters (get the .22 micron Whatman brand, sterile)

Also, it may be a good idear to read through the links in my signature to get more familiar with what to watch for, how to shoot safely, how to register, etc...

Check out this link for what happens when you skip the micron filter. Case Studies Thread.