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Opioids Inflicting pain to deal with withdrawal? wtf!?

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OxyChem

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One of my buddies who has a moderate habit (80-100mg Oxycodone daily, occasionally some Opana) says that the multiple times he's gone through withdrawals he has taken 5-HTP as well as punched himself in the upper leg areas to inflict bruises and "release endorphins"... This sounds fucking crazy to me, but he says that it works really well and that when the WD symptoms set in he punches the bruised area as hard as he can several times and then feels better. He says that since it's not a serious injury and the bruises heal in a few days it's not a big deal. I'm thinking that he's just a lot more of a fucking lunatic and or stupid than I had previously thought, but I figured I'd post this anyways being that I know when the body is injured, endorphins are released to some degree.

Any thoughts, ideas, or whatever?
 
I think there's a lot of young people (I was one too) who have a hobby of playing around with addiction. It is fun to get high, and interesting to develop a little habit and experience mild withdrawals. I never pushed it too far, thank god:)
 
Why doesn't he just go for a long run, which will release more endorphins, plus tire his legs out , without destroy every blood vessel in his thigh?
 
8L4YN3 said:
But yeah this kid just sounds like an idiot to be honest.
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Yea, pretty much what I've decided.

Funny thing is though, when I questioned him about punching his leg, he looked at me like wtf is wrong with you dumbass, of course it works... lols.
 
Self-abuse is no way to escape a drug addiction. Just like it won't help you escape depression, or a bad household, or stress, or anything else...
 
I've UAed all the posts doing nothing more than insulting the guy. Self harm is a serious issue and although this person doesn't seem to be too deep into the psychological aspect of it there's no need to ridicule the subject. I happen to know one person who developed a cutting problem while on MDMA hangovers which then carried over into their regular life and it could be compared to this.

As Sekio said clearly hurting yourself is no way to escape from other pain and vigorous exercise or sexual release are both much healthier alternatives.
 
Look, if I came off as caustic, my bad.
I guess trying to promote harm reduction with a bit of napalm is counterproductive.
I'd say if you can talk to him on a personal level about it, maybe he'll stop the self harm. Above all else, try to listen to what he has to say (you might not agree with it, but talking to him might just knock some sense into him) Hell, when he goes into withdrawals, coax him into a run, it just might keep him from punching his leg to arterial destruction.
 
OP:

You need to have a serious discussion with your friend if you value him as a friend because he is obviously in need of serious help. Inflicting pain on your body to negate withdrawl symptoms is a serious issue that needs addressing. There are plenty of resources on here that can help him deal with his withdrawl and the methods will not cause physical damage to his body.

I am posting this because I used to have a friend that used to cut themself to deal with her pain from being considered an 'outcast' in high school. She was laughed at and mocked daily by the 'cool kids'. She ended up slitting her wrists one evening and died in her bathtub at 16.

Your friend's situation is different, but similar on a base level. He is hurting himself to deal with pain. This is very unhealthy and he needs to seek help. Please talk to him and help him before it's too late.
 
Yea, I'll talk to him about the whole self abuse thing but I doubt he'll listen/care :( He's one of the most stubborn and fast paced persons I've ever met. This guy enjoys doing large amounts (as far as his tolerance goes anyway) of oxy immediately before going to sleep at night. I told him that it's generally a bad idea to do so, and he basically told me to stfu and not tell him what's safe and what isn't. Anyways... I'll tell him about running/exercising as opposed to bludgeoning himself.
 
OxyChem, how old is your friend? Doing drugs right before you go to sleep is just an odd practice...is he a stubborn teenager that thinks he knows everything? It can be hard to deal with people like that and I can understand where you're coming from. It's obvious that you care about him because you are seeking help to deal with his problems.

I really don't know what to tell you what to do, I wish you the best with everything and hopefully he will come to his senses.
 
Well. Didn't see that coming. Guess it is rare....I used to do that all the time. Not in a self mutilating manner or anything. I would just get RLS so fucking bad I would punch my legs in hopes they would stop twitching.

Though I do remember one time I was very, VERY sick, and I was in my car waiting for my guy to call. I couldn't take it anymore and I just started punching the shit out of everything in my car. The steering wheel, the ceiling, busted the dome light, wrecked my entire dash, the ash tray broke off, shattered the shifter casing. Yeah, now that I look back, I think it was because he never came through or something.

Dopesick RAGE!!! heh.
 
I agree with the Captain that self-harm is better handled in TDS and there isn't much to talk about unless anyone has questions about how endorphins work.
-endogenous (ummm from withing the body or inside or something)
-morphine (as in the mu agonist opioid)
=endorphin

It would indeed help somewhat with opiate withdrawal as it helps with psychological pain but it isn't really a viable alternative what with causing physical harm.
 
In my opinion, I think what is going on in this kids mind is, not self-harm at all. He isn't thinking to himself that he is "self-harming" himself in the sense of cutting himself to deal with the outcast thing as mentioned above, but he is doing it because he believes it actually takes the withdrawal away and is a way to lessen the withdrawal. I doubt he is into self-harming himself and doesn't realize what he is actually doing besides helping his withdrawal, anyone understand what I'm saying?

Posibbly he just heard about this, tried this, and it worked somehow for him, but he doesn't notice what he is REALLY doing
 
I have low iron in my blood. I got in a fight once; was bruised so bad on the inside of my upper-left arm ... that the doctors were concerned I could have a pulmonery embolism or whatever...

Bruises can be quite serious.

Better to go long distance running.... or give yourself a tatoo samoan style maybe.
 
I have tried something like that a few times by giving myself a "warrior mark" with my lighter when w/ding years ago when i was stupid and young, and it actually did work *while the burn was burning* but after 10min my focus was back on w/d's except then i had burn bubbling out of my forearm. lol fuckin stupid (im calling me stupid, not the guy who punches himslef, but it may apply to him also)

*For those who don't know what a warrior mark is: its when you light your lighter and hold it upside down and let the metal part get really hot and then stop the flame and press the hot metal onto your skin and listen to it sizzle and keep it there until it no longer feels hot.. it will make a W shape (somewhat) and it bubbles out and you pop it and tear off the burnt skin so only the underlying skin shows as a red/pink W..
VERY STUPID TO DO AND I DON'T ADVISE TRYING.

Mods: if you think this is harm production than feel free to erase my second paragraph where my definition is. I was just letting people know what it is if they were curious.
 
HOODs: I think your post is ok - I'm not too worried about people reading this and going "fuck yeah I want to burn my arm like teenage HOOD!"
 
very interesting post HoOD. I personally could never tolerate self induced pain. on the other hand, I used to think it felt "kinda" good when I would accidentally cut myself playing outside as a kid. perhaps its similar.

To the OP: Perhaps your friend has some sort of affiliation between pain and pleasure from something that happened to him in the past. a lot of people are quick to jump the gun and criticize another, when in reality the person probably has little to no control over it. we all tick differently.

I read somewhere that the best way to give criticism is by starting out with a question, so that the person feels included or invited somewhat. for instance, you could ask, "Do you think that's the healthiest choice for helping with withdrawal?"

Hope this helps~
 
amapola said:
I've UAed all the posts doing nothing more than insulting the guy. Self harm is a serious issue and although this person doesn't seem to be too deep into the psychological aspect of it there's no need to ridicule the subject. I happen to know one person who developed a cutting problem while on MDMA hangovers which then carried over into their regular life and it could be compared to this.

As Sekio said clearly hurting yourself is no way to escape from other pain and vigorous exercise or sexual release are both much healthier alternatives.
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We're not talking about self harm here, like cutting ect. The OP is talking about someone who is punching themselves during opioid with the logic that this will cause their body to release endorphins(opiates) which will inturn relieve with the withdrawal, which is ofcourse completely silly because an opiate addicts body isn't even producing it's own endorphins anymore, and the persons tolerance would be so high that any endogenous morphine that was released into the bloodstream would only be a minute amount in comparison to the amount of morphine or opioid needed to bind to enough receptors to end the withdrawal.
 
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