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Heroin Increasing pins and needles effect from powder H shot - same batch

blime84

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I have a bag of some very potent #4 heroin which is a greyish off-white colored powder. I have been using the same batch for about 9-10 days now. I am 100% sure its the same, since I have had it in my possession the entire time. When I first got it, I would get a slight pins and needles effect with the larger shots, but lately, more specifically I noticed it in the last 12 hours, when I take a shot, I get a pretty intense pins and needles effect through my whole body, even to my teeth. It sort of radiates outwards ending in the finger-tips, then subsides.

I am confused as to why this is happening. The only thing I changed is the injection spot. The last few injections were on my right hand the vein that runs between the thumb and pointer finger(right in between, I can't remember the name, bit I think bascacilic or something). That vein has not been used for about a month because about a month ago, I was injecting tar and I took too many shots there, so it was damaged. To this day, I think there was still some scar tissue or something there because when my hand is in certain positions, you can see a little lump there. Today, since I am trying to rotate injection sites, I decided to give that spot a try. The skin was a little harder to break for some reason, and it hurt a little more to do so, but once I did that, I registered super easy and fired up the shot... I actually have only done 2 shots from that area(I tried to space it a little bit, but its only a couple milimeters difference, so essentially the same spot).

I am wondering could the pins and needles that are extra caused by some sort of left overs from the tar I did before? Is that even possible? After my last binge on injecting Tar I will never do it again, it fucked up a bunch of my veins for just 2 weeks. the powder I have now does little to no damage. I rotate on 3-4 sites and do about 4 -5 shots a day. the powder product, though not that much more potent(the tar I got was very strong in the first place), it is stronger, so I use less, but also you can see the difference when you make a shot. it dissolves completly in cold water, after pulling into a syringe through a coton, there is no residue. With tar, sometimes tthere was a scary amount of residue, usually its not too bad, but looking back, anything left in the spoon is kind of nasty. Even the fact that I had to heat it up to prepare the shot should have sent some warning signals off that it would fuck up my arms. A missed shot with tar results in a big lump at the injection site which is there even after the pain goes away. USually for about a month. When you miss with powder, it swells slightly for maybe 20 minutes, then subsides and feels like its slightly bruised. You can't even tell in a few hours.


The other explanation I can think of is that the person who produced this powder made some mistakes and the batch is not homogeneous and parts of it have morphine which hasnt acetylated, so certain shots are more of a morphine shot than heroin? the only way this would make sense is if the morphine is a different density than the heroin, since this started happening toward the bottom of this bag I am using. I have another bag from the exact same batch which is more full, so if this is the case, the next time I try it I will use the other bag and I will see right away(but I kind of dont want to use that injection site again so there is a dilema)


It amazes me that powder though not much more potent is so much cleaner(and more expensive) than tar. The source for both the tar and the powder is the same. Is the production process to get white powder so much more expensive or ineffficient than the production for tar? from what I understand they use the same ingredients pretty much. Both seem to need acetic anhydride. Perhaps the powder needs a lab to be made while the tar can be produced in the back of a truck? Or is the production time the issue for why they produce it? Other than those reasons, the main reason I can see tar being produced is to market the drug to people who dont want to use needles and prefer to smoke. Tar is 100x more efficient than powder at smoking. In fact, I would say the only way the powder is worthwhile is if you inject it. Snorting it is a much weaker effect and smoking it doesnt work. Many people are afraid of the stigma with needles and they are perfectly ok with smoking it. The question then is if tar is intended primarily for smokers, why isnt it available on the east coast in addition to powder and vice versa, why isnt powder available on the west coast for users who use needles? The only reason I got it was a favor. My guy set aside a nice supply for me and sent the rest out east. besides me, maybe one other person purchases the powder. The majority of the people prefer to smoke so it doesnt make sense for them or if they inject, they are usually pretty broke and since the powder is literally twice the cost they go for tar since the powder isnt twice the potency(I have tested the tar several times in ranges of 70-85%, I ran out of tests before I got this powder, but if the tar is 70% i would say powder is 90-95% pure based on the reduction of usage.

I know this strays off topic, so just a reminder main query is about pins and needles despite not changing the product.
 
How did you test the tar at purity levels as high as 70-85?% I wasnt aware there was a common way for street level users to test gear outside of expensive GC/MS labwork and even then youd have to do it with each new batch of tar and powder. Unless your boy is getting the tar pretty near the source from Mexico or South America I suspect its quite a bit less than 85%ish and I highly doubt youre getting 90-95% pure powder especially if youre on the west side (considering you said your boy ships out East).

Tar is notorious for being hard on the veins. Im a straight West Coast head and I got love until I die but our heroin is less pure and much harder on the veins on average than our partners on the East Coast. Not to say bombass tar doesnt exist because Ive seen people fall out off next to nothing but most of the time, on average, our tar has more impurities than the powder they receive on the East Coast. They make it differently in the countries of origin, and tar tends to be made with more impurities from our countries of origin.

As for the pins and needles, I cant comment, and Im sorry I dont have anything more to add. But if you do really have some shit guaranteed in the 90%s, you better shoot me a PM on the quick fast. Finders fee plus some.
 
I tested the tar using a purity test availble online. You can purchase it on Amazon among other places.

As for the pins and needles, Yes I am keeping it dry. Today, I took 2 shots so far. First one gace light pins and needles, no problem. The 2nd shot though was some of the worst pins and needles I have had. In fact it was so bad it went through my whole body, it was so strong that my feet started hurting, Also while it was happening I got super itchy
 
Yeah, my first thought that it was turning back into morphine. Maybe you got a batch cut unevenly, or it's just old dope. I used to buy 4 buns at a time to save money and get me through the week, and I would find "hot spots" in the buns, with one stamp having way more potency then the next. Might just need to find a better Dboy.
 
well the dope is just as potent. It fucks me up, but the pins and needles were way more intense than ever last time. It didnt do it when I first got it.

Quick question, I think may be the reason - Does leaving my bag in a hot car break the H down? I had left the bag inside the trunk on a 100 degree day for 2 days. and I got it out this morning. I always leave my tar in the car like this, no problem what so ever. The pins and needles are not so bad on a regular sized shot - ie. 100-200mg. It happens when I do a shot to put me on my ass(prefer these so I only need a few a day). Today I did a 350MG shot 4 hours ago, then I spent the next 3 hours nodding out, I finally smoked a bit of crystal cuz i had work to do so I could be awake.

The only reason I dont think its breaking down is that my dosage hasnt needed an increase really from before pins and needles. Hotspots may be a possibility though, as over the weekend I took a couple shots which barely gave them, but they were smaller ones, 250mg was the largest. - is it possible to have dope which is not completly converted to dope with parts still morphine? Or could it be possible that they cut the dope with morphine powder to keep potency and reduxce their cost? its a greyish white powder turns ice tea color when put in a shot. Fully dissolves cold water, no residue left over. Any way I can figure out if theres a lot of morphine in it without a lab? I can get heroin potency tests, but I am not sure what chemical the ones the sell use to check it(they are sold by tri-state forensics on amazon - 10 for 50 bucks), for all I know they could be checking opiate content overall, because from my understanding, tar when potent is still high parts 6mam and my tar showed potency in 70-85% range, but if the 6mam fact is true, that was probably part of the 70-85%., so the test will probably show the morphine content as well.
 
Also, Dank Plant grower, I am sure my tar is in that range due to my tolercance. I have taken pills to substitute my habit - 1200MG morphine was about 1 gram of tar equiv for me so was 800mg oxy. these numbers arent exact, but pretty close. The powder gets shipped out east, then cut and put in stamp bags. I am sure its high quality, the connection pretty much gets all of it direct from mexico. Also, regarding tar, I am within 2 -3 hours from the border, and there is plenty of good quality tar around if you know the right people, especially if your like me and you buy a piece at a time for yourself(25g) then you get it uncut. I know what your talking about with the shitty tar. When I lived in the bay area of california, even in santa barbara, the majority of the tar was shitty, it was cut to shit by the time it reached me. The tar i get is never that way. I am allowed to return/exchnage it if my guy ever gives me something I dont like. a couple weeks ago a old friend from santa barbara had me get him like 6 grams and he turned it into 15 before taking it home. I watched how he cut it with sugar. It is amazing how well it works if you know the process It can be made to look exactly like high quality shit. How it hits though, I wouldnt know. Would never even smoke that shit anymore, let alone put it in my veins.

PS. I used to be a dankplantgrower myself, technically still am for personal use. Though now I only have 1 clone which I kept from those days an OG kush I got in 2002, I am pretty sure its the original cutting, as at the time the OG kush sold for 6000-8000 a pound still. All those crosses started coming around 2006-2007 - ie. skywalker, louie 13th, 818 kush, SFV kush, Church - these are all crosses of the original one which became a pain in the ass because the med shops always asked what kind of OG it was, and explaining its just OG sometimes put them off. Either way the prices got so fucked the last 4 or 5 years that it wasnt worth it anymore(once the price dropped below 3500 a pound like 3 years ago actually). Now I am seeing OG kush(badly grown admitedly) for under 2k a p, the topshelf stuff doesnt even break 3k in my area, I mean like the best herb u ever saw. its ridic. To make a living doing that now you have to blow out a whole house, like 15 light setup at least
 
also regarding the purity again - another example, recently I shot 24MG of hydromorphone, which according to the calculator converter on this chart is 320mg of oxy. I barely even felt a rush. I would have to quit dope if i had crap. last one that was more recent than oxy or morphine - methadone - I get on at 200-250mg when I start my schedule, i could get away with 150mg, but i get anxiety. 100mg I am ok for 6-8 hours then get sick
 
it does sound like it's slowly degrading. it's hard to tell though. could be heat or lack of food or anything.

antihistamines will help reduce the itching.
 
So, I was able to get rid of the pins and needles completely. I just pop a benedryl about 30 min prior to using, then the effect is completly gone. An extra bonus is that benedryl is supposed to help potentiate the high. Luckily my chick has some allergies so I have benedryl and claritin available on demand in large costco bottles, so the cost is minimal(I have seen 6 pill packs for like 10 bucks)


another thing I did(which I am not sure affects it t all) was slightly heating the shot prior to putting it in the syringe. When I first got this dope, I would do that, put a lighter to the spoon for 5-10 sec at most, not even close to boiling. I eventually just stopped doing that and would use it with cold water since it fully dissolved. Anyone know if its better to do it completely cold or if heating helps with something? I know that with tar, its horrible, firstly dissolving takes for ever, when it does dissolve, the water looks pretty disgusting, even after filtering it. Also the left overs seem like they may have product in it still. This is also with better quality tar, not sure what crappy tar would look like cold. either way, for Tar I have decided that it no longer will ever touch my veins. Its good to smoke, especially if your tolerance is low, you can get high quick as hell with potent shit. My buddy who was clean for 16 months picked up a small bag of tar last month, like .15 gram. I was with him when he smoked, he smoked about 1/3 of it, 50mg, .05, and was nodding off with the stuff in his hands(he smokes with paper clips like hot knives on a stove, I saw him nodding off when I walked into the kitchen; meanwhile I had my tolerance to a level where I could smoke 10 times that and be ok.
 
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