In recovery and getting RX'd benzos?

Regardless of whether or not you abuse them, you'll still become dependent on them (if you take a daily dose) and that is the essence of the horror that is benzodiazapines. I've never heard of a successful taper story in person. There's always a piper to pay in the end.

I've been physically addicted to heroin and I would take that over what I've seen people experience with benzo withdrawal any day.
 
that's exactly what i'm trying to say. again if the question, can an addict stick to a prescribed dose of benzos, the answer certainly yes.

but that's far less important than it seems and actually sort of irrelevant when it comes to the long term affects. it's like saying could you stick to a prescribed dose of arsenic? well sure, but it will kill you regardless.
 
kc - you're an intelligent woman who has asked for genuine advice. Others have better addressed the underlying issues than I have, and your doctor is the primary person with whom you should consult about your anxiety.

I have never been steered wrongly when I was expressive about how my anxiety adversely impacted my life. Benzodiazepines are no magic cure, nor is anything. But when I'm taking therapeutic doses under my MD's supervision, life is really quite manageable. Therapy helps immensely as well. I cannot overestimate that point. <3 The statistics show it over and over that meds + therapy are as close to a cure for anxiety that any human could possibly achieve. Benzos work for many people. Misinformation never does.

Much love, support, and all the good things, however you decide.

Mods - apologies for having quoted that; I should know better. <3
 
Do not make personal attacks.


I would be careful who I took advice from.

If Im taking sobriety advice from someone it wouldnt be from someone with a nickname whos name was actually promoting drugs. Im not ponting this at anyone, this is just my general opinion.

Thanks

You were a heroin addict for longer than me. Who should take advice from you? I certainly would not.

This is not a "please convert me to Christianity!" thread, all of your posts have been off topic. Please do not post any thing else off topic.

And you're such a great person for not following your own advice on not making personal attacks. I'm not personally attacking you either. I'm choosing to take the higher road on this.

I was simply stating my opinion after he took my advice completly out of context.
You never gave any advice! You just said negative things about benzo use. And you also said what people you work with would do. That's an observation, and is not advice.

Have you taken benzodiazepines before? Or just heroin? 8)

And Mariposa theres a difference in Judging, and useing discernment.

And there's a difference between rational thought, and emotional thought. You clearly can't separate the two.

no one needs long term benzos

You must not have PTSD. That's a good thing, but trust me, some people need long term benzos. Not every day long term benzos, but some people will and should be on them for the long term.
 
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"But when I'm taking therapeutic doses under my MD's supervision, life is really quite manageable. "

same here, i never thought i would be on them, but i have now for several years, along with lithium, something else i didnt ever think id be on. both of these drugs have given my life some major relief, freedom from my own thoughts, and the ability to control them more. im not overwhelmed with being so hyperanalytical, up & down, chain thinking, intrusive thoughts, my emotions are more in check as well.

i could see why, being overwhelmed with tooo much BS, and a nervous wreck could lead you to lead you relapse. of course it would be ideal if you could just get over it, but no its not that easy sometimes, and maybe you where taking the downers, because you needed to be some. it happens.

benzos can help you slow down to make decisions, and not jump into situations.

but you have to be very very careful if you go this route, to take them as recommended, and do not drink!!! enough alcohol and benzos can make heroin look timid.
 
This is not a "please convert me to Christianity!" thread, all of your posts have been off topic. Please do not post any thing else off topic.


Ohhhh.... So thats what this is all about.. Me being a Christian.. You mad about that Mr. Heroin sir?
 
You must not have PTSD. That's a good thing, but trust me, some people need long term benzos. Not every day long term benzos, but some people will and should be on them for the long term.

by long term benzos, i was specifically referring to every day (since that is what this thread was asking about). if we are talking about more sparing use, that is a completely different story. occasional use is when benzos have benefits. with long term daily use, benzos tend to cause harm. very serious harm in a lot of cases. that's why i say no one needs them. it does not matter what you are diagnosed with. taking a drug that tends to make it worse and cause serious harm will not help the situation. but as i said, occasional use over the long term is a completely different story.
 
I know your set in your ideals burn out and your more then entitled to your opinion but i know many more people that have done fine on benzodiazepines for years with no harm then people who have gotten screwed up by them. Ive been on 4-6mg's of clonazepam a day for about 5 years and my tolerance to the anti-anxiety effects have not gone up at all. Also i have no negative cognitive effects due to my use of benzodiazepines. Alcohol and excessive amounts of certain other drugs are another story 8)

I also know lot's of other people who have been on diazepam, clonazepam and others long term with no problems. I would say (this is my personal opinion) that the people who have the benzo horror stories are well in the minority. But nothing i can say can change your mind nor would i expect it to.
 
Regardless of whether or not you abuse them, you'll still become dependent on them (if you take a daily dose) and that is the essence of the horror that is benzodiazepines. I've never heard of a successful taper story in person. There's always a piper to pay in the end.

Well, you've now heard one :) and hey, we might end up at the same party this summer if you're going to any of the big SoCal events, which would be cool, as I've always respected your posts. Not calling you out in the least as it is absolutely true that benzodiazepines are physically and psychologically addictive.

I'll take my 5 mg Valium - to which I have not developed a tolerance - over having panic attacks which often include strong vertigo to the point of vomiting, inability to leave the house for fear of having one in public, and inability to be in crowded, confined, or public spaces - which are a few of the symptoms I experience when my panic disorder is not treated. My anxiety has an additional physical component - muscle tension.

My panic attacks don't happen, generally, on low-dose benzodiazepine therapy. For when they do despite the Valium (always triggered by a life event or stress trigger), I have Xanax PRN for "breakthrough anxiety". I don't abuse it.

I've never experienced heroin w/d as I don't use heroin. I hear it sucks but is not life threatening. I do know that benzodiazepine w/d is potentially life-threatening and can cause many bad things such as seizures. A sensible taper schedule followed to the letter has prevented anything like that for me. When I wean, I'll post about my protocol - won't be for a few months as I have major life events upcoming for which I have to be calm and functional.

In my case, daily low-dose benzodiazepine therapy works. I've tried SSRIs (useless), meditation (which does help), CBT (also helpful), and countless other types of therapies. Nothing has ever worked as well as a low dose of an intermediate to long-acting benzo at a maintenance dose plus weekly therapy with a psychologist who specializes in a form of therapy that is somewhat of a hybrid of CBT, meditation, and DBT.

kc's level of anxiety appears to be driving her to the point where she is considering resorting to SI and ED behaviors to feel some level of relief. Taking a benzodiazepine could stop her from resorting to those behaviors. Who in their right mind would deny someone suffering in such a situation a safe and effective medication?

kc - my continued empathy and <3 - and I encourage you to talk to your new doc about every pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical option available to you, especially CBT. I hope you achieve relief from your difficulties soon. You get what you give when you place your trust in a competent doctor. Hang in there and keep yourself well until your appointment. <3
 
If I had a script for #90 2mg Alprazolam tablets (bars) - I simply would not have the willpower to not abuse them....
 
If I had a script for #90 2mg Alprazolam tablets (bars) - I simply would not have the willpower to not abuse them....


Most addicts wouldnt have the willpower thelung. Maybe for a short period of time.. But eventially it would catch up to us...

The second we had that bad day.. There goes the script down the throat!!

The second me and my wife had a blow out fight!
 
I myself don't like the idea of benzo's at all. And feel they should only be used for short term increased anxiety and such.

It just seems that whenever you get on a benzo it keeps getting less and less effective so you have to take more the longer you use it. Then if you stop, shit hits the fan so to speak. Do you expect your troubles to fade anytime soon so you could cease using them when this happens?

I don't know.. Have you been in therapy or do you just go to the psych for scripts?
 
I've been in therapy on and off for the past 5 years and have had quite a few inpatient treatments.

I'm currently waiting on a clinic to set me up with a new therapist since I lost my insurance.
 
Most addicts wouldnt have the willpower thelung. Maybe for a short period of time.. But eventially it would catch up to us...

The second we had that bad day.. There goes the script down the throat!!

The second me and my wife had a blow out fight!

Spot on. I don't believe that every addict would down the whole script the minute they left the pharmacy but all it takes is that one time... that one stressful day and they could trigger that abuse cycle. I'm sure there are addicts out there who can take controlled medications over a long period successfully, but when the risk of triggering that addictive behavior is so high, the therapeutic necessity has to outweigh that.

KC, you know how I feel. I can appreciate that your necessity IS high and so is the risk. My best advice is to do everything you can with CBT and DBT and try some other less dangerous anxiolytics in the meantime. If these prove insufficient then I think you should reevaluate and consider options involving benzos.

best of luck, love. Take care
 
I know your set in your ideals burn out and your more then entitled to your opinion but i know many more people that have done fine on benzodiazepines for years with no harm then people who have gotten screwed up by them. Ive been on 4-6mg's of clonazepam a day for about 5 years and my tolerance to the anti-anxiety effects have not gone up at all. Also i have no negative cognitive effects due to my use of benzodiazepines. Alcohol and excessive amounts of certain other drugs are another story 8)

I also know lot's of other people who have been on diazepam, clonazepam and others long term with no problems. I would say (this is my personal opinion) that the people who have the benzo horror stories are well in the minority. But nothing i can say can change your mind nor would i expect it to.

even if it is a small minority (which i'm not convinced of) it's not worth the risk. i wonder if you even realize how bad things can get.
 
Maybe you could try a one off prescription for 50?
I have been diagnosed with panic disorder and I found that sometimes just knowing they are there, if I really really need them, is enough.

It could also be a good way to test whether you will abuse them, and if you don't, perhaps your doctor would be cool with prescribing 50 every few months just so you have them for those acute events, but don't need to take them every day.

I would be wary of getting into the habit of taking them every day, but at the same time benzos have literally saved my life in the past, so ultimately it's upto you to weigh the potential risks/benefits and make the best decision for you.

I've even been put on a daily pick up for benzos in the past, so asking your pharmacy/clinic to do that is def a possibility.

Good luck, you deserve to be happy <3
 
even if it is a small minority (which i'm not convinced of) it's not worth the risk. i wonder if you even realize how bad things can get.

Plenty of people can use benzos without abusing them.

You'll get a lot of "don't do it!" responses on a site full of drug addicts, that's for sure.

Ask your parents how they did on valium, they likely won't tell you a horror filled story of drug addiction and seizures.
 
it's not a question of abuse Captain.Heroin, it's what happens to the brain if benzos are taken every day for extended periods. dependence occurs regardless of why you are taking a benzo.
 
I had 14'ish months clean from a benzo habit, and I started taking them daily for the last month to kick this last bit of opiates. Now I am getting w/d already. Its fuct. I tell myself dont take a kpin today, take some neurontin instead. I can make excuses about opate w/d [8 days clean!!!] and needing to function but its all bullshit I am an addict, I lack self control BIGTIME. 30 days and definite w/d symptoms. I should flush um but I dont. Its kinda bugging me that I am taking them again, well not kinda it is bothering me. I am completely shaking at 24-36 hrs. and its only been a month of use. Its like I just... Its mainly psychological.

I dont know, just rambling sometimes I wonder what is the point. I will stop soon. It like I am an idiot for taking these this last year has been a hell of a w/d from a 8 yr habit. I dont understand why I do what I do sometimes. Its like I like to beat myself down.

Peace,
seedlesss
 
i can't imagine taking them again, unless i am forced to in the case i never recover from the withdrawal. but not for any other reason.
 
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