Opioids In need of advice, support!

[weliveinawheel]

Here is my situation, &a few questions...

I started taking opiates about a year ago. Currently, I take anywhere from 10-40mgs a day. I take upwards of 40mgs to get that good feeling. I take 5-10 on days where I don't have many - &to avoid withdrawals.

I guess my first question is... I don't know what is considered a high amount of mgs/day. So I am not sure if the above stated is a really bad addiction (not saying that any dependency on these things is good...). So I guess what I am asking is, if I were to begin a taper/quit plan - how bad/long of a withdrawal am I looking at? Again, this is just for advice, as I have no where else to go for it.

Also, I have terrible restless legs and arms. I found that even taking a small dose before bed, about 2mgs of percocet (btw, this is all about percocet), I can fall asleep &stay asleep.

I have a prescription for Ativan - I have also kicked a Klonopin addiction about 2 years ago (I was taking about 7mg a day). So, I don't take my Ativan alot, unless I am having really bad panic attacks - but, does Ativan help with the initial few days of withdrawal?

I am just looking for support, advice, anything really.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I appreciate more than any of you know.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

At least from what i know about oxy which isnt that much mind you..
Thats a tiny habit.
I wouldnt taper from that, id just stop. Probably psyching yourself out.
When i detoxed from heroin twice last summer, id shoot a half bundle to get anything close to a high, and the main thing igot when i just stopped, no taper no detox was being freezing for a week in the summer, no eating, and still being really constipated...

 

[weliveinawheel]

Thanks.
I don't see much about other people's percocet background as far as doses. I do have anxiety, so there is a good chance I am psyching myself out, haha. But, unfortunately for me, I need other people's points of views &relation to find out for sure. If that makes any sense...

 

[Harrisment]

Thanks.
I don't see much about other people's percocet background as far as doses. I do have anxiety, so there is a good chance I am psyching myself out, haha. But, unfortunately for me, I need other people's points of views &relation to find out for sure. If that makes any sense...

Percocet is just oxycodone w/apap (tylenol), so just research oxy withdrawal if you are looking for information.

40mg isn't a very big habit. If you stopped cold turkey you would feel pretty crappy for a couple of days, but I wouldn't expect the withdrawal to be too serious. You'd likely experience diarahea, insomnia, some muscle aches. But very unlikely to get the more serious withdrawal symptoms like puking your guts up for a week. If you take a few weeks to taper down to 5mg and then jump off, your symptoms should be minimal. The most difficult side effect, even with fairly small dosage like this, will be the psychological aspect. That is by far the hardest part for me whenever I have to get off of oxy, or greatly reduce my dosage. Good luck, and lean on the people here at BL! Lots of us have been there.

And yes, the Ativan will be a huge help and will make you feel a lot more comfortable when going through the w/d. It will be especially useful for those first few nights, when sleep will seem impossible without it. I would also recommend researching the use of Immodium (Loperamide) for help with opiate withdrawals. It can be very helpful.

 

[weliveinawheel]

Thanks Harrisment.

Being able to talk about it makes it alot easier. This really scares me &the fact that I kicked Klonopin, makes me kick myself in the ass for allowing this to happen.

I hope that you are right when you say that the w/d shouldn't me too bad. I assume that since I made in through the above-mentioned w/d, that this shouldn't be too too bad. I think it is the restlessness that kills me. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't even take that small 2mg dose at night.

Ugh, I feel discouraged by the thought of it all.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

I know that percs are oxy with tylenol.
Im saying i dont know much about oxy because i didnt get into opiates till i started snorting heroin.
But i know from when i tried oxy a handful of times a few years ago when i was like 15, being opiate naive i needed like 20mg to get much of a high...
If on a bad/(good?) Day you kill between 10 and 40mg id be very surprised if you actually had any wd.
10-40mg, over time, over a whole day, doesnt even sound like enough to pin your eyes after a week to a month...and thats errday.
It took me a while of shooting heroin everyday before i started feeling sick, and i would mainly just be edgy, depressed, and anxious, without much physical wd. I was still using everyday, i still identify as a heroin addict and was sick earlier somehow now...but i didnt wd bad ever when ive quit dope, taper or not. And my definition of being "not even bad" with regards to heroin i am sure is far worse than a tiny, oral oxycodone "habit".
Habit used very loosely.
If it takes you a whole day to blow through 40mg and thats you at your worst, you probably cant even taper with methadone/subutex like they do when you go detox...
Youd probably get very sick if you did half an 8mg subutex/suboxone, let alone 2mg actually...2mg would probably be as much sub as.you could handle without getting sick, and youd probably get fucked up if you tried to sub/methadone taper.
If you cant even take half of a sub 8 you shouldnt have any need to taper, nor should you wd at all id bet...
I know with heroin it takes everyday use for a while before youll get much physical wd (that movie shit seems exaggerated. At least for myself.)
Let alone tiny doses of oxycodone..
The worst thing ive gone through opiate wd wise is the sweats, insomnia and waking up while sleeping, and being freezing cold.
And those symptoms havent ever been too bad ime when ive quit. An thats with IV heroin, let alone takimg oxycodone orally.
If you kicked a 7mg a day klonopin habit this should be no trouble for you
Cause 7mg a day every day of.klonopin is a decent amount.
Protip:never quit benzos cold turkey if youre taking high doses.

 

[T. Calderone]

You're taking a pretty low dose so if you have gotten to where less than 5 mg holds you, I think you will be in pretty good shape. I've come off oxycodone many times but the one benzo withdrawal was much harsher for me. It's good you have the Ativan to take during the first few days and you might not even need them. The thought of it is scary but really you will be fine!

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

Try this
Tell yourself you wont get sick and jusr stop.
I used to tell the people id do dope with that i was the magic dopefiend cause i wouldnt really get sick if i couldnt get at least one small shot a day, if not one full size shot per day.
And i never.felt sick when id go a day off. When id detox, id get the chills and insomnia, thats it.
So im sure it will help if you.just tell yourself nothing is gonna happen, cause tbh you shouldnt wd from this.low of.an amount, id think. The people i knew who did percs, all did 15s and 30s, and theyd be fucked up off one bag of dope, high off of like a half bag snorted.. but theyd need a 30 or two snorted to get good high on percs, no maintemance really necessary.

 

[weliveinawheel]

I seizured when I went through klonopin withdrawal. &I think remembering back to that withdrawal is making me twice as nervous about this one.

So, I shouldn't be too worried then this time around...

Thank you, you are making me feel much better.

 

[weliveinawheel]

Also, this may be TMI and maybe sound a bit silly...

but I love sex while on perxocet. Somebody tell me that it is just as good without! (lightening the mood also makes me feel better...)

Anyways. Yes, I discovered that half of a 5mg perxocet is enough to completely curb my restless leg at night... so that makes me wonder if it is all in my head that I need it to sleep... i dunno.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

For rls try neurontin, for real.
Go to the docs and cop a skrip for it, not controlled/recreational so shouldnt be a problem.
That stuff helps a lot for rls.

 

[Tommyboy]

You should be fine to stop cold turkey. I've never quit a habit as small as yours, but even the ones that I quit that were easily 3x that of your weren't so bad. As LSDMDMA&AMP mentioned, a lot of it is mental so just don't expect any withdrawals and it will be that much easier.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

This is an incredibly small habit. Your withdrawals are never going to be as mellow as they are going to be right now, so just stop. On that low of a dose, you'll be slightly uncomfortable but not bedridden, still able to function normally.

 

[teological]

Weliveinawheel, I reckon you are a perfect candidate to do what I do EVERYSINGLE time I want to withdraw....the last time I did this was just before 2013 ended. It has worked every time. Your habit is small, and very similar to mine. I get a good buzz from around 30mg of Oxycodone. Do this and you will have minimal symptoms since your habit is not that strong to begin with.

Day 1: DO NOT TAKE ANY OXY. At night, use some meds to knock yourself out so you can sleep, as you may have trouble sleeping as withdrawals start to creep in.
Day 2: You will wake up in full blown withdrawal, take half your dose you use to get high. So in your case, take 20mg of Oxycodone early in the morning, as soon as you wake up sweating.
Day 3: You will wake up in such a weak withdrawal, it will be laughable.
Day 4: Most PHYSICAL symptoms are over...well done. Now get ready for PAWS

Don't mock this as most people do when I post it. It works for me every single time, and it is the only way I do it. Basically pain free. It probably won't work for the heavy duty habits, but habits like yours and mine, this should work a treat. Try it, and then let me know...trust me.

 

[miss_kugelblitz]

I've been on 40+ mg/day of percocet for several months now for chronic pain, but I've had several forced, cold-turkey withdrawals for highly annoying reasons. (Same thing with other pain meds before that, but I can speak specifically to percocet, so I will.) I think the wds are different for everyone, especially depending on what else you've got going in your system. It was hell for me every single time, but life without pain meds is naturally hell anyway for me so it was just an amplification of my norm. I'd wager that you'd feel at most like you caught a very bad flu, so plan accordingly. When I know that I'm going to be kicked off the meds for whatever reason, I tend to dope myself up with otc sleeping pills (Unisom, Benadryl) and just try to sleep through it. That's worked for me a few times. Good luck!

 

[weliveinawheel]

I thought I was going to have a month long withdraw. I tried today but got so antsy, I took a 10mg around 3pm. I am fine now, I took a .5 ativan. I feel pretty comfortable. No restless legs as I lay here and watch t.v. I have an appetite, and I am actually tired. I could easily get to bed for the night.

My doctor will not prescribe me neurotin...

what is PAWS?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.

 

[Treefa]

I personally have to recommend against Ativan during opioid withdrawal as it seems to make me depressed. But that's me personally.

Honestly you shouldn't have too hard a time coming off that dose if you do a fast taper and smoke weed and drink alcohol.

I didn't hardly get any withdrawal coming off about 100mg hydrocodone/day, but then again I don't take them every single day of the year..Lord knows i'd like to lol. I always abuse my shit and run out and then WD, usually very mild, and then get more about 3 weeks later when my refill is due!!


But trust me bro, it's mostly mind over matter. Smoking weed is good IMO because it fuels my appetite which, in turn, causes me to eat food, which, causes me to feel ALOT better.

If I don't have pot in WD I won't eat and I will feel waaaaay more crappy than I need to all because I've not been eating right. Eating and excersice, and staying occupied and entertained really helps a lot of the symptoms..except pain.
My back still hurts so I end up begging/stealing/lying/cheating people out of whatever Opioids I can get.

 

[defanged]

if you're going to take a benzo (and if you already are, for the love of god, don't stop that cold turkey unless you want a one-way ticket to seizure town...), see if you can get a scrip for clonidine. it's a non-controlled blood pressure med that is mediocre at it's intended purpose, but when combined with a benzo (klonopin works best for me... don't know why), makes a nightmare of a withdrawal much, MUCH easier. Also, if you get the kicking-leg thing (those who have experienced it know the horror), neurontin (another no-biggie multi-purpose med) helps a lot. And if you really want to go crazy, there's always the subutex/suboxone induction crapfest.
hang in there (and remember: this is nothing. stop now, cuz when it's heroin you're kicking, it will be a whole 'nother, MUCH BIGGER and MEANER animal)

 

[weliveinawheel]

I cannot get neurontin because of a previous issue I had with it, not addiction wise.

I am a female, btw.

I will never resort to heroin. I am sure lots of people say that but I have never wanted to try it. I've never almost tried it when I ran out of percs. If I take too high of a dose of percs, I get anxiety. So I've never wanted to chase a high such as one you would get from heroin.

My main wd issue is restless legs/arms. I get it without wd, and so I get it alot worse. I was prescribed requip but haven't tried it yet. Anybody have any relief or experience with it?

I think I have a tendency to worry more than I should.

I get myself to thinking that regardless of my usage, I will suffer the same wd as somebody wding from a 200mg/day habit. or perhaps the same withdraw i had when i stopped a 7mg/day for 2 years habit with klonopins cold turkey.

I agree, it seems way more psychological than physical. I don't sweat, vomit, get diarrhea. I can't sleep and lose my appetite.... but i think my appetite loss comes from the anxiety i am causing myself.