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In heroin withdrawal, could use some words of encouragement...

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PhrostByte

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So.. I fucked up again. I'm using this week long vacation as an opportunity to get clean... I took some suboxone with me. Only 1.5 pills.. I used 6 mgs the first day and 6mg the second day, although I didn't notice much relief in symptoms... I had been using a lot... sometimes up to $200 worth/day.

Anyway... this is the beginning of my 5th day, and I leave for home in two days. Then, the real struggle will be not picking up again... which hasn't worked out too great in the past. I'm trying to stay hopeful though. Can someone please tell me when this will ease up a bit? My 5th day off dope and my 3rd day off subs... last night was really bad. I didn't sleep a wink (which is weird, cuz before last night I actually did get an hour or two here or there). I thought maybe I had an allergic reaction to either some food I ate (fish) or some pills I took (1 Tylenol, 1 Multi-vitamin), 4 Benadryl, 1 Melatonin). Anyway, I had a lot of anxiety and all my limbs were very restless.. I was laying awake the whole time tossing and turning while cracking my joints and twisting my elbows, wrists, and ankles.... I was KICKING hard... I had considered maybe going to the ER but I just kept telling myself, "this too shall pass". I figured if I did have some sort of allergic reaction... it would eventually just go away. The strange thing is: I took the same types of pills the night before and had no ill effects... actually my 3rd night here I slept great. Now that I think about it.. maybe it had something to do with the Tramadol I was taking.. I was taking up to 8 50mg Tramadols/day but stopped yesterday...

Anyway, if someone who's been in my situation before could please offer some encouraging advice, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
 
Suboxone has a really long half-life. The suboxone withdrawals started for me between 2 and 3 days after I stopped, and peaked at about day 5, lasting all of about 8 days. That dose of suboxone probably didnt do much, besides prolonging the eventual withdrawals. In detox, I think it is given over 4 or 5 days, and you are on 1 or 2 mgs the last days. The 6mgs you took is pretty high dose to stop at. I know you only took it for 2 days, but I'm saying that it would't make the eventual withdrawals easier at that dose.
 
Despite PAWS coming into effect later on....you are close to being out of the worst part. I know nothing we can say will make you feel better, but keep at it man...you can make. Hundreds of people have quit opiates since joining Bluelight....keep reading the darkside forum and look at all the people here to support you. Seriously you can make it!!!! Best of luck!!
 
^Nice. How does it feel to be an asshole?


Phrostbyte, I hate to say it, but taking the Suboxone at all is probably the reason you're still in pain now, especially since you experienced very little relief from it.

The worst of the withdrawal from heroin alone has always been over by day 3 for me, regardless of length or heaviness of habit. I recommend you stop taking anything that affects those receptors (Suboxone & Tramadol). They are just prolonging your withdrawal.

I know this is going to sound like the most impossible thing in the world to you right now, but go out and get some exercise. And eat properly, not just a multivitamin, et al.

And keep repeating "this too shall pass." Because it will.

I pretty firmly believe that the later stages of opiate withdrawal are psychosomatic to at least some degree...... you expect to be sick, so you feel sick. Try to trick your mind into thinking it's over, maybe start with a short walk and some milk & fruit, get as much physical rest as possible, even if you don't actually sleep (it sucks, I know).

Hang in there. You'll be out of the woods soon. :)

And remember, you said it yourself: "Getting clean is easy. It's staying clean that's hard.
 
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Yeah agree. It must suck to be an asshole!

Actually there is nothing weak about making the effort to kick an opiate habit.
Follow FJ's advice and you'll be feeling better soon. As far as not picking up, that takes a lot of work, take it one day at a time. I always thought it was a cheesy saying, but it does make staying clean a heck of lot easier.
 
Memeito: I feel the same way sometimes.. I feel like I should deserve no pity. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life.. but I'm trying to get clean. It's not easy and although I didn't see what your original post said, I assume it wasn't in any way constructive or motivational.

To everyone else: Thanks for the advice.. I don't know about the exercise.. I feel like all my bones are creaking all the time. I've been swimming here and there though... I'm not taking sub or tramadol anymore.. I think I might agree that all it did was prolong my withdrawal. I feel like, with 5 days off of dope, I should be OK... but really I'm far from it. Hopefully I'll start to feel better before I leave here...
 
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In any case- Phrost, you are taking responsibility for your life by getting off heroin. If you can just stop taking all opiates and muscle your way through the WD's, that would probably be for the best. If you need to taper- thats OK too. Sometimes that's the best approach- by slowly weaning yourself off. You can help avoid some of the physical aspects of WD that way. However, even with a well planned taper, you will have to go through sleepless nights, RLS, depression, etc. So I guess its up to you to decide the best route.

Its really hard to say how long you'll be feeling crappy. If you can get some form of physical exercise in every day- you'll really be helping yourself out. Lying in bed all day is actually the worst possible thing to do. If you can just get out and go for a walk for like 30 mins every day, that would be of great help.

Remember- you're going to get through this. Keep posting on here and let us know how you're progressing!
 
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Keep at it!! I just recently kicked opiates, and I have to say it was the hardest thing i've ever done, but so so so so worth it! I'm no longer reliant on that shit, I'm 'well' all the time, without having to pay for the privilidge.

With regards to how ur feeling, from past experience on kicking heroin on its own u should be ok after 7 days and pretty much fine after 2 weeks. My brother also recently kicked heroin and it took this sort of time. For me it was heroin and methadone and it was 21 days till I started to get better

Drink at least 1 litre of water a day, try eat 3 meals a day (little and often if needs be) And yeah Exercise so definately helps. I'[ve been swimming every day since I left my 28 day rehab and within a week I have started getting better much faster. My friend told me a story when he was kicking in prison with a load of other junkies..... The gym instructor guy came and asked them who wanted to do some exercise, obviously everyone was like 'fuck that'. But my mate did it and went and played squash, really pushing himself to the limit.. Anyway that night he slept much better, with no meds, than all the other junkies and they had been given zopiclone! He repeated it and was a week ahead of them in getting better too.

It WILL get better! Trust me I didnt think it would, it just never seemed to, but just keep reminding yourself of it.. and the end result is soooo amazing - being 'well' ALL the time!!

So glad your doing it mate, hate to see people ruined by this evil drug. You should be really proud of yourself, your doing really well so far.

Good luck!!! <3
 
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Thanks for the advice.. I haven't exercised in a while... but I might try to today. I'll try to push myself... it's so hard though feeling like shit 100% of the day.
 
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Thanks for the advice.. I haven't exercised in a while... but I might try to today. I'll try to push myself... it's so hard though feeling like shit 100% of the day.
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I know exactly how you feel! Even anything will help a bit though, a few sit ups/push ups will make a difference.

Lots of water too.


:)
 
Right now it feels like every day I'm getting worse and worse... today I couldn't even go to Orlando Studios with my girl and her friends.. I just felt way too horrible to venture on that journey.
 
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Right now it feels like every day I'm getting worse and worse... today I couldn't even go to Orlando Studios with my girl and her friends.. I just felt way too horrible to venture on that journey.
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Phrost, if you had a case of raging flu would you take that as a sign to paint your apartment? Of course not! Sweetie you are sick right now. You need time to heal. Give yourself as long as it takes to feel better. I feel like shit too. Had a UTI a few weeks back and now have back pain which could mean a kidney infection or God help me...a kidney stone! Probably don't want to taper off the morphine the same time I have a stone going through.

Just take it easy. Make yourself comfortable. If you are too hot find a cool place to hang out. If you have restless legs then walk in circles. Above all though talk to the doctor who can prescibe some meds that will help with the WD. I don't know a lot about subs but you may need a lower dose but for a longer time. You won't know till you ask the doctors. As wonderful as the people here are and your own drug dealers may be too, we didn't go to medical school. Get better soon :)
 
I don't really have any doctors here on vacation.. I've been trying to medicate symptoms as they come with OTC meds... I really hope I start to feel better tomorrow cuz this is getting really old. I wanna blow my frickin brains out... but I know that's not the right thing to do. :[

EDIT: Just did some research... apparently the Benadryl can make the RLS-type symptoms of opiate withdrawal EVEN WORSE. That explains my crazy body anxiety last night. The bad part is that I took my multi-vitamin with a Benadryl before I did my research. I took one though, not 4 like last night.... so hopefully I'll be OK.

I also read that high doses of Loperamide can actually do wonders for withdrawal. Anyone have any experience with this? I'm thinking about going to the nearest pharmacy and eating a box.
 
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I haven't been in your situation dude so I don't really know what you're going through, but I just wanted to say that my brother in law was on heroin for 16 years, lost everything, prison four times, watched his smack buddies die around him, done things he wasn't proud of etc etc, you know the drill.

He's been clean for three years now, in love with a great girl, has a job he enjoys and a great bunch of friends.

Just wanted to say, hang in there it will be worth the struggle

Peace :)
 
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