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Important: What should be in the Codeine FAQ?

Well have a read of this website it has info about Codeine, Dihydrocodeine, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, and Buprenorphine Metabolism.
http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/44/6/515

I don't know alot about this kind of stuff but it seems that not alot is proven about the mechanism of Codeine & how exactly it works.
Because it's not actually Codeine itself that has its anelgesic effects but its metabolits Making it hard to determine good potentiators.

Unless there have been studies done on a website I havn't found the next best thing would be to simply listen to people experiences

I think there be a thread about ppls experiences with different potentiators including:

1. Rating the potentiators they've tried

2. Stating if they took it before or after dosing the Codeine

3. Whether it produces what seemed to be a stronger codeine high or just a nice synergy like the valium with the codeine ive had tonight.

Problem is, it's hard to tell the difference between a good synergy & actual potentiation, but it would still make a good thread.

Another internesting link: Drugs affected by grapefruit juice from wiki stating it converts more Codeine > Morphine now GFJ is an inhibitor, so is diphenhydromine yet wiki controdics itself by saying it slows down or even eliminates the conversion of Codeine to Morphine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_affected_by_grapefruit

I know this is off-topic but I'm just talking about inclusions of possible potentiators to the FAQ may be misleading.
But potentiating probably wont make up alot of the FAQ anyways
 
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Anyway, I am currently typing up something now. I am running on a lot of coffee and very little sleep so it will probably need some work, but hopefully by later on tonight I will have something to send to the AusDD staff for checking.

Leftwing, Ibis and Drug Mentor I am going to send this to you as well I would like feedback from you guys on this. :)
 
Here's something I could use some help with:

There are a few brands of codeine containing meds out there that include other ingredients besides codeine, paracetamol or ibuprofen. These are often not suitable for a CWE due to the solubility of the other substance/s. These substances can include phenylephrine, pseudoephedrine, doxylamine succinate off the top of my head.

Surely it is in the interests of HR to provide a list of brands that are NOT suitable, as opposed to suitable? If people would like to chip in with some brands they know are not usable and could be dangerous, I would really appreciate it. :)
 
^ yeh could be helpful. I remember a thread (possible by splatt) listing all of the common DXM containing products, which to avoid, and why (detailing all of the additional ingredients) that I thought was really well done. Similar details may be useful for codeine but this would be at the discretion of you mods as it also provides potential abusers with a shopping list....
 
^ Yeah the shopping list thing is what I'm trying to avoid; I don't want to list brands that are usable, just the ones that are potentially dangerous to use in a CWE.

I may have a look at some online pharmacies in a little while and see how it goes. Belarki, are you going to contribute to the mega thread as well?
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Yeah the shopping list thing is what I'm trying to avoid; I don't want to list brands that are usable, just the ones that are potentially dangerous to use in a CWE.

I may have a look at some online pharmacies in a little while and see how it goes. Belarki, are you going to contribute to the mega thread as well?
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Haha I'd offer to help but I honestly don't think I'd have anything to add other than anecdotal experience that yourself, leftwing, mr ibis & drug mentor couldn't already cover... hit me up if you need a hand though. Not sure if p_d would approve as I think I'm one of the heavy users guilty of glorifying it he's talking about ;)
 
drug mentor
I read your thread about codeine inducers & it did seem to make sense
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=507954
that's your post there for anyone who wants to have a look


did u read the information from this post I made?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=511261
So u obviously disagree with the quote from Suboxer in this post (He says to definetely take BEFORE the codeine.)

it's good to see that both u and wiki say that diphenhydromine kills the codeine high
I'm still confused about the promethazine. What's quoted by Suboxer states that it actually DOUBLES the conversion
your theory does seem more logical though.

I might have a look around the internet & try to get some studies involving Promethazine & Codeine.
It would be great if it really did double the conversion, but it seems a bit to good to be true!
U seem to have a better understanding of the pharmocology behind it all than me so I'll take your word for it

A FAQ may help because I think ppl are actually flooded with to much information about codeine when they do a search & don't want to read through the 100s of posts to get the answer to simple questions like the one I had today & am guilty of making a pointless new thread.
 
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This is not the place to discuss whether one means of potentiation works better than another. This can be discussed off the forum via PM with those involved in preparing the FAQ.

This thread is about ideas for inclusion. Any more off topic discussion and offending posts will be unapproved and the thread closed.
 
This is the part of Drug Mentors Post that relates to this thread before I moved it to make this thread


Drug Mentor said:
Anon, in regards to the other thread you made, I included a list of CYP2D6 inducers in my 'Codeine Potentiation and Synergy Thread' courtesy of Mr Blonde. I don't have any experience using these substances, but there is high chance some or all of them would aid in the conversion of codeine to morphine.

I think we have some good idea's for the megathread. I got everyone who seems to have volunteered so far on MSN, so I am positive we can get this up and moving in the near future. I don't go back to school till the week after next, so I might try get moving on something.

I hope the codeine potentiation thread I made will be included, for the record I have more to add to that too! I understand your perspective P_D, where encouraging poly drug use can be contrary to HR. There is a fine line to walk however, I mean as a codeine lover how do you detail dose and effects of other drugs in synergy with codeine without some of your own personal bias enterring your description? Obviously people are better off taking codeine without all that other shit. The problem is, you can find bits and pieces slapped all over the net about random drugs to potentiate codeine and a lot of it isn't very structured. I only became aware of a lot of interactions due to much research, where a less educated drug user may see a few pages on codeine potentiation and combine drugs that they shouldn't. Also, it took a lot of time to find safe products that contain useful drugs as the sole active ingredient. The reason I put my thread in AusDD instead of OD was the inclusion of brand names. I feel there is solid HR value in that, as opposed to people trying to purchase DXM and an antihistamine and ending up with a few products that also contain shit like guaifenesin etc.
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Mr Blonde said:
Here's something I could use some help with:

There are a few brands of codeine containing meds out there that include other ingredients besides codeine, paracetamol or ibuprofen. These are often not suitable for a CWE due to the solubility of the other substance/s. These substances can include phenylephrine, pseudoephedrine, doxylamine succinate off the top of my head.

Surely it is in the interests of HR to provide a list of brands that are NOT suitable, as opposed to suitable? If people would like to chip in with some brands they know are not usable and could be dangerous, I would really appreciate it. :)
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I think here it is best to list which compounds can be CWE'd and which can not. With particular interest to the ones that are particualarly bad for your health.

This way it encourages the end user to actually read the ingredients of the particular product and make and informed decision. Compared to, X is on the buy list while Y is on the not buy list, where X and Y are brands. This way we might educate people a bit further.
 
Something that is over lookedby most is furthur preparation of the codeine after cwe. IMO following this step is a safer way of dosing.

Once you have your cwe seperated from the unwanted materials, spread the liquid across a baking dish, and have a fan blow over it for several hours until all the liquid has evaporated. You are then left with what is hopefully mostly codeine phosphate. You can then weigh out this powder into safe and prefered dosages. Either bomb it or cap it, or whatever other way you want. Important to remember to keep it away from heat or light as it does damage to the codeine. Also you must have the fan, or other means of airflow, otherwise it will go mauldy and discoloured, which I'm guessing isn't really good for you.
 
^ Why do you believe it is safer to dose with powder then liquid? Unless you are weighing it out and finding disturbing anomalies in the mass of the powder then there would be no difference.

I think here it is best to list which compounds can be CWE'd and which can not. With particular interest to the ones that are particualarly bad for your health.
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This would be possible as well, however going by a few posts that phase_dancer made I was under the impression that a shopping list would not be welcome. Is there a consensus amongst the staff on this?

Haha I'd offer to help but I honestly don't think I'd have anything to add other than anecdotal experience that yourself, leftwing, mr ibis & drug mentor couldn't already cover... hit me up if you need a hand though. Not sure if p_d would approve as I think I'm one of the heavy users guilty of glorifying it he's talking about
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I'll send you a copy anyway so you can let me know what you think, always good to get opinions. :)
 
If you leave the liquid too long it starts to go funky. And when you're crushing upto 100+ tabs at a time, it's the only way to keep it. Unlike a lot of fiends here, some of us are still pretty contempt with a 150-250mg dose and I like to cap accordingly. Plus it saves the hassle of doing many extractions and keeping it to one. Why you would want to bare through the taste is beyond me too.
 
^ Cool, well I will write up something into the FAQ I'm writing now regarding drying it out unless anyone has anything to say about it to the contrary.

ETA: I'm also creating a bibliography as I go along, if anyone has any links they believe are essential or interesting reading regarding anything to do with codeine, then post it in here and I will add it in.
 
Has anyone seen any codeine-aspirin combination products? The list that Anon gave on here seems to be kinda outdated, and as far as I can tell aspirin codeine is pretty rare in Australia and seems to mostly be an Rx type thing.
 
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