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Important: What should be in the Codeine FAQ?

PsiloSubNaut

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Hello fellow bluelighters.

The time has come to close all of the 'Codeine romance' threads and put together both a Codeine FAQ and an addiction thread.

So... This thread is here for a brainstorm of sorts. We want to hear your idea's and opinions on this valuable HR matter.

This has been a long time coming and we look forward to your input into both of these threads.

We can not and will not allow the current trends in posting about codeine to continue as it flies in the face of our HR goals.

Sorry to be the big bad wolf =D

Psilo
 
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CWE of course.

Information on the toxicity of APAP and ibuprofen.

Brands that should be avoided (e.g. the ones that combine with an antihistamine or pseudoephedrine or phenylephrine).

Dosage information.

Information on CYP2D6, how the metabolism works, substances that affect the enzyme, etc...

The risks involved (e.g. CNS depression, addiction, histamine response)

Help information for addictions.

WD information.
 
Probably couldn't hurt to mention that there's no point in heating the water up then cooling it down again. A lot of CWE FAQ's suggest this, and it's completely pointless. Just start out with cold water and you're set.

Make mention of the fact that ibuprofen CWE's work, but often require more water (especially with the brand name N+).
 
Mr Blonde said:
Crankinit: Would warmer water perhaps help when dealing with brands that don't dissolve so well?
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Hmm that's actually a good point, I wasn't thinking of it from that angle so much as paracetemol/codeine solubility. I've never tried using warm water to help dissolve the trickier brands.

Maybe make a note of it anyway, then people can decide if they need to use warm water instead of thinking that it's essential, or thinking that it has an impact on the codeine/para/ibuprofen solubility. Quite a few brands dissolve very easily by themselves.
Information on CYP2D6, how the metabolism works, substances that affect the enzyme, etc...

The risks involved (e.g. CNS depression, addiction, histamine response)
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I'd like to highlight these, because I think they're particularly important.

Especially the info on CYP2D6 and enzyme deficiency, seems like an easy way to prevent the regular 'I just took 200mg codeine for the first time and felt nothing halp' posts.
 
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i agree, they (the mods) could have given more heads up to everyone, instead of PMing one or two users letting them know what's going on,

it's this kind of action that disgruntles certain people against the moderators decisions such as this with no forewarning.

i'm not telling how you guys should do your job, just think the wider community deserves more heads up rather than closing every thread without warning.
 
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^ Hey d_m I'm sure your efforts were appreciated by quite a few bluelighters - including myself. Perhaps when compiling this codeine FAQ the author could incorporate a lot of the info you've already complied along with Mr Blonde's CWE FAQ? It is after all relevant (for harm reduction) to know what antihistamines etc are useful and how to safely execute a CWE.

On the other hand you shouldn't feel alienated. I'm sure the mods are closing all current codeine threads because they are a) becoming too social and b) glorifying it too much. Seriously in the last 12 months I have comsumed a metric fuckload of codeine but even I can still see where they're coming from. I think you'll find the mods have had concerns about the codeine threads for years now.... not just months or weeks...
 
Not to mention that other people (especially the media) do read this board. Can you imagine what would happen if some wanker journalist too lazy to come up with a real story decided to write about the 'new drug craze right out of your local chemist!!1' The new laws suck, but things could suck a whole lot more on the codeine front.

I mean it's one thing to have a thread discussing safe CWE methods, but we have what 3, 4 codeine threads on the front page atm? Seems a bit disproportionate.

Wish this fucking drought would end so we can go back to talking about MDMA :D
 
I was mainly disgruntled at a lack of heads up that was given to me, seeing as how I was updating that thread every few days it seemed like some effort on my part (not to mention others who helped me in the thread) could have been spared.

Maybe I was a bit quick to jump the gun, I have since spoken to some of the mod team, and it isn't as though all the already existing information on bluelight is just going to disappear. I will miss codeine discussion but I do see the argument for ending it, although I am not entirely convinced theres no HR value in keeping some of them; a decision has been made.

I guess my issue really boiled down to a lack of a heads up from the mods, because I think we should of had one, but theres no point crying over spilled milk really. The best thing that can be done now is everyone putting their heads together to make the biggest and best codeine thread on the net.

I do hope this codeine FAQ will be kept Australian centric, or ask that my thread be re-opened. My whole mindset for creating that thread was that there are many antihistamines out there and it can be very confusing, throw in the fact you get so many forumlations of different drug mixtures and whatnot, its overwhelming to a noob. I thought listing brand names of specific products/drugs alongside dosing, what to expect and any possible interactions with other potentiators would be an invaluable resource to new codeine users looking to get the most out of their shit.

If you take this information out of AusDD, then it really loses a lot of its HR value in terms of preventing people from buying the wrong products/drugs.

As far as a codeine FAQ goes, I think mr blonde pretty well covered what it needs. I guess one area that could really be worked on is treatment and withdrawal for codeine addiction. I have always sort of felt this would be well covered by general opiate info, but if we were aiming to make BL appear less advocating of codeine abuse then a greater shift in focus to treatment relevant to codeine users could be a good way to go about it.

Obviously I also feel the information I made in my thread should be included. At the same time though, I am not 100% it would fit in well with the likely tone of the rest of the document, and perhaps it would be best to keep CWE, dosing, drug interactions with codeine and addiction support seperate to a thread that gives details on many ways to increase the effectiveness of your narcotics. I guess this is a call for the mods to make, I am thinking that it doesn't neccessarily fit in line with the image you are trying to create with the new codeine megathread. At the same time, it would be a shame to scrap solid HR info in the name of image building.
 
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Firstly, I was the one who suggested closing the codeine threads - 6 on the front page ffs!


Not that the topic hasn't been discussed between mods before - it has, many times. If you read what I've written in the past you'll know I was never in favor of the way these threads seemed to go. Any Blers I've spoken with in person know something like this was coming. CWE is a simple process, it doesn't take pages and pages to explain. It takes a few sentences, or a paragraph or two at best. And romanticizing the drug through the repeated stories seen here was getting beyond a joke.

What other drug do we allow discussion on sources, packaging etc? Availability discussion is now out.

Let's keep this discussion on topic, and not on variations to the CWE method which may or may not work. That can be addressed in more detail in the FAQ.

D_M, as you now know, some of the more important stuff you and others have posted will undoubtedly find its way into the FAQ.

Just so no-one is in doubt. We will permit only 2 threads on codeine; the FAQ which will be a closed thread, but which can be added to if new info is presented to mods; and an addiction/use management thread. Neither of these threads will host social discussion, or talk about taking obtaining large quantities, or where these products can be obtained.


As for my suggestions re the FAQ. Since the topic of using warm water for a CWE has been raised, why doesn't someone who's doing CWEs regularly take the time to do the experiment? Determine various levels of acetaminophen solubility in H2O at different temperatures. Repeat the experiment 2-3 times and average results, also perhaps on different formulations, brands etc, then plot the results and let's see the graph/s.

Secondly, the FAQ needs to include a clear explanation of the increased potential for addiction from using CWE. Saying acetaminophen will damage your liver if you don't is hardly a complete explanation. Some would even argue that a slightly damaged liver that can heal is perhaps better than a habit with tolerance, which, with all it's pitfalls, may stay with you for life.



Most of all when posting in this thread, stay on topic.
 
As for my suggestions re the FAQ. Since the topic of using warm water for a CWE has been raised, why doesn't someone who's doing CWEs regularly take the time to do the experiment? Determine various levels of acetaminophen solubility in H2O at different temperatures. Repeat the experiment 2-3 times and average results, also perhaps on different formulations, brands etc, then plot the results and let's see the graph/s.
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Not as extensive as what you're asking maybe, but courtesy of erowid:

Codeine Type Solubility (31C water) Solubility (21C water)
Aspirin 1g / 100 ml 1g / 300ml
Acetaminophen 1g / 70 ml 1g / 150 ml
Codeine 1g / 2.3 ml 1g / 0.7 ml

http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml
 
^yeah but that doesn't really tie into a codeine FAQ, sure with the addictive properties but other than that it's still a great resource for those wanting off the wagon

nevermind, read your post wrong, get what you mean. if i weren't tied up with a few other projects we're getting going behind the scenes i'd give you a hand. pm me though or get onto me through msn if you want any help, i should be able to give some help at least:)
 
We want an FAQ that specifically deals with codeine. We can borrow from, or link to other posts but the subject material needs to focus on this opiate.

Thanks Crankinit. So, have we any takers for reproducing the above results and adding to them? If anyone who's interested would rather stay anonymous or would like a more detailed idea of how to go about this, ask one of us mods to help.
 
^ Aren't the binders and fillers going to affect the results we get? There is a lot of stuff in those tablets, I mean probably not enough to create drastically different weights but it wouldn't be exact.

If I had some money on me I'd be up for that experiment, if no one else goes for it I will.
 
Since we are Australian specific I think we should be talking Paracetamol instead of acetaminophen
 
^ I prefer acetaminophen as a term for some reason, don't know why. It's the same substance anyway but I suppose for Australian users it's better to use paracetamol.

I will still call it acetaminophen though. :D
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ I prefer acetaminophen as a term for some reason, don't know why. It's the same substance anyway but I suppose for Australian users it's better to use paracetamol.

I will still call it acetaminophen though. :D
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ya, i;ve always been one to refer it as acetaminophen otherwise APAP. as long as they're the same substances you shouldn't run into problem unless abusing it:)
 
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