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Bondmaker

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In the study of pain research, they test for in vivo narcotic activity first using the "hot plate rat tail reflex" test. Before that a host of receptor binding tests are performed to determine, mu , kappa, delta and sigma opiod profile. I'm not totally up to date on all of this, but do know that kappa receptor binding is an indicator of how the compound will affect smooth muscle, and thus the "constipating effect" of a particular opiod. Constipation is an ugly side effect of opiods that hospitals would dearly like to eliminate, and would be a godsend to chronic pain patients (and , yes, those who like to take opiods recreationally).
Since research in CNS active compounds these days is usually to find a more "Selective" compound, why hasn't anyone come up with an opiod that has a high mu binding profile, with little kappa binding and an acceptable delta and sigma profile? It would seem that this could be done, especially in the "non-phenanthrene" classes of opiates.
 
I don't think kappa agonism has anything to do with it. Most opiates don't have much affinity for kappa. Only ones I can think of are the 'zocine's.

Constipation from opiates is a problem that's already been solved- by non-CNS penetrating antagonists.
 
really?

First by 'zocines , you mean Talwin analogs (pentazocine)?
And "non-CNS penetrating antagonists" doesn't quite register. I know butorphanol is a pain killing , but CNS penetrating antagonist, but i'm completely at a loss as to what you mean by"non-CNS penetrating opiod antagonists". Please elaborate.
 
Allow me ;)

Constipation is caused by opiates binding to the opiate receptors in the gut, slowing your bowel motility, causing more fluids to be drained from what you intake and causing your shit to be hard as rocks and painful to pass...lol

What Ham means by non-CNS penetrating opioid antagonists is chemicals that will bind to those opiate receptors in your gut and not allow your opioid of choice to bind there. Then, you get normal bowel movements. :)

It is important that this is not a CNS penetrating compound, otherwise you won't get high 8o
 
So if we take a compound like Loperamide (or any other opiod with a fat polar group which ruins it's abillity to penetrate the BBB and elicit CNS effects) and tack on a particular structural feature in a region of binding where it won't be tolerated, so we get antagonism - methylcyclopropyl groups seem to be good for this - we should get a compound of this type yeah?
Damn i'd like one, the only thing i've got which gives any relief is large doses of MgSO4, ugh.
 
Do you mean..

First of all, isn't loperamide an anti-diahorreal (anti-motility) so it would be an agonist at peripheral opiod receptors, that doesn't pass the BBB because probably of that cyano group on the N-chain moiety, and also it's not a fullly elaborated (acylated) 4-Chlorophenyl-4-piperidine-4-ol?
So you must mean bisacodyl analogs?
If that's what you mean, then the question that i posed is still up in the air because bisacodyl is notorius for causing cramping (even in slow release form). The only other things that i'm aware of that are used in the clinic are things that add fibrewhich swells taken with alot of water (metamucil) to counteract the dehydration somewhat, or stool softeners like sodium docusate, milk of magnesia, or the dreaded Rear admiral, in charge of the Fleet=D, or a glycerin supository.
To say that this problem has already been solved, I would, IMHO disagree. Ideally what you want in a market successful compound, is to have in one pill something that does the job it is intended to, and be selective against side effects, and not so much now, but certainly in the past, the FDA frowned upon "mixtures" of compounds to counteract side effects or potentiate intended effects.
This is why i bring up Kappa opiod. I am not totally certain, but i believe that Kappa binding is responsible for the opiods effects on smooth muscle contraction (bowel motility). Is this untrue? Is it the mu agonist component that is not only responsible for the strong central effects of opiods as pain relievers, but also the peripheral affects on smooth muscle tissue? If so, then the two effects are truly inseparable, and unfortunately something that all mu agonist opiates will share. I remember reading a long time ago that mu agonists in certain piperidine derivatives(demerol?) have less of a tendancy to cause constipation? At any rate, thank you people for the input.:)
 
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Matt said that if a non-BBB penetrating opiate like loperamide was modified to become an antagonist it could be administered along with a regular opiate and counteract binding of the opiate to gut opiate receptors.

Its a really nice idea i think!
 
I reread..

what Matt said and it all boils down to manipulating the phenanthrene type of opiod skeleton so that it is impermeable to the BBB, since we know that tacking cyclopropyl or cyclobutyl groups on the basic nitrogen in the skeleton imparts antagonism (or mixed antagonist-agonist activity). Ideas anyone?
Or we could easily see if cyclopropylmethyl demerol is an antagonist and then think of ways to make it non BBB permeable. Better not put your ideas down here. If you've got a lab, this is the kind of stuff you should be doing in it, you just might get a patent and exclusivity and then megabucks, Legally=D
 
This has already been done, btw. AFAIK, combo painkiller/peripheral antagonists are already in human trials.
 
Looking at the structures, im suprised naloxone penetrates the bbb but loperamide doesn't. It doesn't look much (if any) more polar to me.

Apparently though:
Any (molecules of loperamide) that do cross the blood-brain barrier are quickly exported from the brain by P-glycoprotein (Pgp), also known as multidrug resistance protein (MDR1).

and
Concurrent administration of P-glycoprotein inhibitors such as quinidine with loperamide has been found to produce respiratory depression, indicative of central opioid action.

So maybe it needs an antagonist that can be transported out of the brain by this P-glycoprotein thing.
 
Almivopan:
http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5488547

(loperamides antagonist twin so to speak)

Many patients treated with opioids suffer from constipation. Opiate- or opioid-related constipation is not only a frequent but also a distressing symptom and difficult to treat. There is emerging evidence regarding a novel approach to the management of opiate-related constipation. The aim of this paper is to collect, critically appraise, and summarize the evidence on the effectiveness of recently developed peripherally acting micro-receptor antagonists in the treatment of opiate-related constipation. A comprehensive search of 11 computerized databases was conducted and efforts were made to identify unpublished and ongoing research. Twenty studies were identified; 13 were randomized controlled trials (RCTs) and 7 were Phase II studies assessing toxicity. Studies were mainly executed in healthy volunteers or members of methadone programs with opioid-induced constipation as a model to mimic the condition of patients on opioids. Two RCTs were conducted in hospice patients. Quality of study design and validity of the findings was assessed in all studies. Data show proof of concept but do not allow a definitive answer concerning the effectiveness of the peripherally acting micro-opioid antagonists methylnaltrexone and alvimopan in managing opiate-related constipation. Further research is needed. If future Phase III trials provide supportive data, opioid antagonists may become a standard therapeutic option for the treatment of opiate-related constipation in patients with advanced cancer.
PMID: 17900855

lots more articles on it
 
Alvimopan fine, looks polar! But how does (O?)-methylnaltrexone not get into the brain while naltrexone does? Surely its less polar.
 
what's the dose on O(?)-Me-Naltrexone? ^^^ -- links...?

Brand new and interesting:

: Pain. 2007 Dec 28 [Epub ahead of print] Links
Alvimopan, a peripherally acting mu-opioid receptor (PAM-OR) antagonist for the treatment of opioid-induced bowel dysfunction: Results from a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, dose-finding study in subjects taking opioids for chronic non-cancer pain.Webster L, Jansen JP, Peppin J, Lasko B, Irving G, Morlion B, Snidow J, Pierce A, Mortensen E, Kleoudis C, Carter E.
Lifetree Clinical Research and Pain Clinic, 3838 South 700 East, Ste. 200, Salt Lake City, UT 84106, USA.

Our objective was to investigate the efficacy and safety of alvimopan, a peripherally acting mu-opioid receptor (PAM-OR) antagonist, in subjects with non-cancer pain and opioid-induced bowel dysfunction (OBD), and to identify at least one treatment regimen that improves OBD. Following a 2-week baseline period, 522 subjects reporting <3 spontaneous bowel movements (SBMs)/week (with 25% accompanied by a sensation of incomplete evacuation, straining, or lumpy hard stools), requiring analgesia equivalent to 30mg oral morphine/day were randomized to alvimopan 0.5mg twice daily (BID), 1mg once daily (QD), 1mg BID, or placebo for 6 weeks. Compared with placebo, there was a statistically and clinically significant increase in mean weekly SBM frequency over the initial 3 weeks of treatment (primary endpoint) with alvimopan 0.5mg BID (+1.71 mean SBMs/week), alvimopan 1mg QD (+1.64) and alvimopan 1mg BID (+2.52); P<0.001 for all comparisons. Increased SBM frequency and additional treatment effects, including improvements in symptoms such as straining, stool consistency, incomplete evacuation, abdominal bloating/discomfort, and decreased appetite, were sustained over 6 weeks. The most frequently reported adverse events were abdominal pain, nausea, and diarrhea, occurring more frequently in the higher dosage groups. The alvimopan 0.5mg BID regimen demonstrated the best benefit-to-risk profile for managing OBD with alvimopan in this study population, with a side effect profile similar to that of placebo. There was no evidence of opioid analgesia antagonism. Competitive peripheral antagonism of opioids with alvimopan can restore GI function and relieve OBD without compromising analgesia.

PMID: 18164818 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
 
Thanx...

I am overwhelmed by your collective knowledge of CNS pharmacology. You people sure are up to date!
 
Increased SBM frequency and additional treatment effects, including improvements in symptoms such as straining, stool consistency, incomplete evacuation, abdominal bloating/discomfort,

How exactly do they measure these symptoms? I hope it's self reported... I'd hate to be measured for incomplete evacuation?
 
hehe yeah, and straining! maybe put a piece of wood in your mouth and measure the depth of the tooth marks!
 
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