Im pretty sure my dealer crushed up suboxone pills

[Tintman1974]

So I usually buy half a G of fent/ H per day. Few days ago he had some "new " stuff as he called it, and it was orange , so immediately my brain starts wondering.
Take it home, make up a shot, taste of the water and it had that suboxone taste, so I did just a tiny amount and almost immediately I felt it, but it didn't knock me into withdraw.
My question is if it is crushed up orange suboxone pills, shouldn't it of knocked me into withdraw after I did the shot ? It's not a bad high and seems to last a while, but I don't want to be IV...Subs especially if there is a increased risk of something

 

[4DQSAR]

I knew a French guy who happily whacked up buprenorphine + naloxone. He said it didn't even make him ill - just dulled the initial few minutes.

The thing is, they simply compete for receptor occupany but naloxone has a very short duration of action.

Naloxone has a MOR affinity of about 0.6nM
Buprenorphine has a MOR affinity of about 0.21nM

So while naloxone might briefly compete (I assume the mixture must have a lot of naloxone in it to compete), it's unclear if it even causes brief WD.

To be clear, one person has no statistical value but looking at the science, it does appear that naloxone was added for political reasons rather than it's ability to stopping people misusing the stuff.

I NEVER recommend people inject anything that wasn't explicitly designed for the purpose and even though you suggest it may be buprenorphine, that doesn't preclude other drugs being present. I mean, if it was a pill, the moment it was popped out of the patient pack, you cannot assume it to be sterile. So where between the crusher's home and you vein has that stuff been? A LOT of unknowns.

If you decide to take the plunge - at least ask the guy to cut a single pill from the strip and handed it to you still sealed.

Maybe try snorting it? Then at least you can take a line and wait. Like smoking H, the limited speed of consumption is key to preventing overdoses.

 

[pixies+]

From everything I understand, bupe is what causes precipitated withdrawal. Naloxone was for patenting/money (political?) purposes.
That’s why you’re supposed to be in pretty bad withdrawal from other opioids before you take suboxone. If it’s taken too soon after another opi, it’ll kick them off the receptors and throw you into withdrawal.

I don’t have enough understanding of how drugs actually work in the brain to make it make any more sense than that.

It may be that there’s only a tiny tiny tiny amount of it in there… just enough to give it colour. Unfortunately, you may never know.

I’m sure someone will be along shortly to explain lol

 

[Tintman1974]

Well I talked to him and of course hes deny it. Said thats what he got from his plug, but even doing a tiny amount it hits hard and last maybe 15-20 min so like you said alot of unknowns I just wish there was a sure fire way to tell

 

[4DQSAR]

Well I talked to him and of course hes deny it. Said thats what he got from his plug, but even doing a tiny amount it hits hard and last maybe 15-20 min so like you said alot of unknowns I just wish there was a sure fire way to tell

Well, get test-kits from your local HR agency.

But I know I keep repeating myself but there are only one CERTAIN way to know what you have - instrumental analysis.

Pharmacutical companies have been known to fuck up. Last year they mixed up 30mg morphine tablets and 60mg morphine tablets.
RC vendors regularly misrepresent their products
Street dealers, WTF knows?
Even if you make it yourself - you still need that instrumental analysis to be certain.

BL really should consider contracting an analytical laboratory to undertake say 1000 tests at a fixed price. I think a lot of BLers would pay to be members if it not only gets them the instrumental data but also experts who can confirm or deny the stated compounds in a sample and people who have experienced the same dubious mixtures can inform the rest of us if the result is good, bad or indifferent.

I believe in HR and if I could afford the instruments needed I would just buy them and offer testing for free - because that would yield a vast amount of important information. Sadly I can't, but if any group is in a position to do this, it's BL.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Did you have a tolerance/dependence in the days leading up to getting this orange "fent/h"?

You say per day, so I assume so.

Cause if not, then yeah, Suboxone will get you pretty damn high if you have no tolerance. It's just not a very euphoric or good feeling high. It's basically the same potency as fentanyl, it's just a partial agonist, so it's not as good feeling.

I doubt that's the case though, cause if you have a fentanyl tolerance, then even a little bit of buprenorphine isn't gonna be giving you much effects. Especially if the "high" only lasts 15-20 minutes, considering bupe is a very long acting drug.

 

[Jaysoul]

Dont shoot subs....thats all!

 

[4DQSAR]

Dont shoot subs....thats all!

Hitchen's Razor - What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

 

[gymguy30]

Did you have a tolerance/dependence in the days leading up to getting this orange "fent/h"?

You say per day, so I assume so.

Cause if not, then yeah, Suboxone will get you pretty damn high if you have no tolerance. It's just not a very euphoric or good feeling high. It's basically the same potency as fentanyl, it's just a partial agonist, so it's not as good feeling.

I doubt that's the case though, cause if you have a fentanyl tolerance, then even a little bit of buprenorphine isn't gonna be giving you much effects. Especially if the "high" only lasts 15-20 minutes, considering bupe is a very long acting drug.

I disagree with it not being a good high. Subutex use to provide me with a great high (not quiet as good as a full agonist ) when I first started using opioids. If I didn’t feel like driving all the way to my plugs crib to get Roxy’s id get subs from someone close to me and I’d get a very decent long lasting high from a very low dose of subs

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I disagree with it not being a good high. Subutex use to provide me with a great high (not quiet as good as a full agonist ) when I first started using opioids

Cause if not, then yeah, Suboxone will get you pretty damn high if you have no tolerance. It's just not a very euphoric or good feeling high. It's basically the same potency as fentanyl, it's just a partial agonist, so it's not as good feeling.

We pretty much said the same thing. Buprenorphine will get one high (whether they think it's good or not is subjective), but the high isn't as good as full agonists, And if you are some one with a daily tolerance to fentanyl like OP, then doing buprenorphine is probably gonna do fuck all for a "high".

So what's the part you "disagree" with? That the high is "good"? Sure, you can get a "good" high from buprenorphine, if you have no tolerance. But it'll never be as good as full agonists because it's not a full agonist. And it has a ceiling effect. And if OP takes fentanyl/h every day, then they aren't getting a damn thing from buprenorphine other than maybe some precipitated withdrawal or WD-relief. But they sure as hell aren't gonna get a "good" high out of it.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Dont shoot subs....thats all!

Yup. There's a BL page here dedicated to why shooting subs is dangerous.
You need a micron filter & even then you can't be totally certain.

Shooting citric acid & artificial sweeteners into your circulatory system is not a good idea.

I've also been through all the ingredients lists for brand name & generic Suboxone's & they put all kinds of carcinogenic & nasty stuff in the films & pills, so that's really why you don't want to shoot them, unless you wanna lose an arm or something.

 

[4DQSAR]

My logic is the advice Sir Humphrey Appleby once gave a British Prime Minister, to whit 'If you insist on doing this damned stupid thing, at least don't do it in this damned stupid way'... and then explained how to enact a (pretty badly thought out) law.

I can't help but reflect that researchers have figured out ways to remove that N-methylcyclopropyl and norbuprenorphine isn't controlled anywhere - an N-2-phenylethyl moiety would likely produce a potent agonist.

 

[paranoid android]

Id invest in some micron filters if your going to shoot pills. Sadly they are not cheap these days

 

[gymguy30]

We pretty much said the same thing. Buprenorphine will get one high (whether they think it's good or not is subjective), but the high isn't as good as full agonists, And if you are some one with a daily tolerance to fentanyl like OP, then doing buprenorphine is probably gonna do fuck all for a "high".

So what's the part you "disagree" with? That the high is "good"? Sure, you can get a "good" high from buprenorphine, if you have no tolerance. But it'll never be as good as full agonists because it's not a full agonist. And it has a ceiling effect. And if OP takes fentanyl/h every day, then they aren't getting a damn thing from buprenorphine other than maybe some precipitated withdrawal or WD-relief. But they sure as hell aren't gonna get a "good" high out of it.

I misread my bad brotha