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chaseconroe

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I've been IV'ing bth tonight and everytime I re dose I make sure I register before I push plunger down and everything goes good until I pull the syringe out, then It burns like hell! And kinda swells a tiny bit wtf? I've iv'd H plenty of times this has never happened before. Any ideas what's going on?
 
This would happen to me with certain batches, I assume it was from a particular cut. But make sure you aren't injecting into an artery or nerve. It shouldn't be burning. A little swelling is not unusual from the histamine reaction. Also, where are you injecting it? Small delicate veins can get irritated/inflamed.
 
Got nothing to add since I dont IV, but BTH is made especially for smoking. I heard that BTH fucks your veins up waaayyy quicker than powder...And ive seen it first hand, an acquaintance showed me his vein it was hard as shit and its only been like 3 years at most that hes been IV'ing! I would think that it might be a cut thats doing that, so Why dont you try purifying it if you dont mind spending some time on it?
 
No, you shouldn't heat it (assuming it's powder hcl (North American powder) or tar heroin - UK base heroin needs citric acid and heat). Are you filtering it? Have you used this particular dope (same supplier and batch) before?
 
Could be a reaction to something in the dope. It's happened to me before. Do you normally use tar without this problem? Tar can be more burny and damaging. What kind of filter are you using?
 
are you injecting in the same direction as your blood is circulating (ie. towards the heart) it's important as there are valves in your vein and it only meant for 1 way dude... just a possibility..
 
What are you injecting? *EDIT* BTH is black tar Herion!! ahh ok - from what I know like crack to coke it's alot hasher ANYWAY on your veins. Now the answer to your Q, This I call WITHDRAWAL STING.

Heroin is acidy. Even #3 H you add citric so per 170-250mg you ONLY need 25mg. Exchanges usually give 100mg and people mistakingly dump the whole lot in for 1 bag. IMO they need splitters of 50mg/50mg.

So ok you have a hit, plunger is down? now on the END of the needle is SOME heroin even a drop and about the needle and as you wd it you get what I call WITHDRAWAL STING.

The way round it is a semi flush? You know after a hit when people flush or boot? which is where they shoot, draw back more blood then shoot that?? Basicallyjust suck up some blood which sucks back any 'ting and then wd the needle. Also this double checks you where still in.

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No, you shouldn't heat it (assuming it's powder hcl (North American powder) or tar heroin - UK base heroin needs citric acid and heat). Are you filtering it? Have you used this particular dope (same supplier and batch) before?

Odd you say that, here in the Northwest I've never once seen someone NOT cook up their shot of BTH. Ive been using for 6ish years now and if you get shitty regular tar you best believe you are heating that shit. Since that nasty shoe polish you need like a gram of it per shot with any tolerance. Good good tar where you shoot .1-.2 and thats more comparable to the east coast powder still requires heat. Maybe if you left it oovernight. But even then I think heat would still do it good.

Unrelated I know., just found it interesting.

On a more related note: Reasons my shots have burned..vein is too thin and even tho you register you still slightly miss/irritate the vein. Another, pushed too far thru so still slightly in and slightly out as well (if that makes sense).. It could also be an artery (red frothy blood) or the possible cut (anti-histamine e.g. benadryl burns when shot)
 
^ I have black tar only here in California and I never heated it. It can take up to 20 minutes to dissolve in cold water. Just leave it there and check back on it. If you're in a hurry then you can mix it to make it break down faster.

Heroin is soluble in water though and by heating it you can make all the cut that's normally insoluble break down and become soluble. So you end up injecting that stuff whereas if you inject cold that stuff won't go through the filter.

OP, just because you register doesn't mean the needle can't slip out. I think you're not holding your hand steady enough. Also, sometimes you're just barely in the vein so you'll register but the tiniest movement and you slip out but there's no way to tell. What I would do was inject 1/3 of the shot, re-register, inject 1/3, re-register, inject the last 1/3. It's a hassle, but trust me, it's worth it. Also, make sure you get ever last bit out of the syringe before pulling it out. If you pull out in a hurry the needle can still be dripping a little when you take it out of your vein and through the skin before it touches air and that can burn.

And I agree with Swimmingdancer, some stuff just burns. But 80% of the time it's user error.
 
Odd you say that, here in the Northwest I've never once seen someone NOT cook up their shot of BTH. Ive been using for 6ish years now and if you get shitty regular tar you best believe you are heating that shit. Since that nasty shoe polish you need like a gram of it per shot with any tolerance. Good good tar where you shoot .1-.2 and thats more comparable to the east coast powder still requires heat. Maybe if you left it oovernight. But even then I think heat would still do it good.

Unrelated I know., just found it interesting.



It's not unrelated :) the OP asked if it needed to be heated. But just because a lot of people do something doesn't make it necessary. Whether tar heroin requires heat has been a very discussed issue on Bluelight and the consensus seems to be that it shouldn't require heat, that heat just causes crap other than the heroin to dissolve. When you don't heat it, it doesn't all dissolve so people assume they are not getting all the heroin, but in reality only the actual heroin needs to dissolve and heroin is plenty soluble in room temp water. And you should be filtering it properly of course. I don't have a lot of personal experience with BTH myself, so I can't guarantee that BTH never needs heat, but I am just going by what most of the "experts" on the board have said (see this thread for example). I probably should have said "to my knowledge it shouldn't need heat" or something to that effect. Personally, although many disagree with this, I don't think that whether or not you apply heat is a huge issue, because most of the most commonly used cuts are relatively non-toxic and heat can kill some bacteria and viruses (definitely not all though!), so if you really feel you need to heat it that's up to you. But I don't think that not heating BTH, if you're filtering it properly, should be causing the issues that the OP is experiencing.
 
The idea to re register before I with draw it is a good idea also, I am unsteady with the needle so it slipping out is a good possibility. As far as filtering I'm using cigarette filter that should be plenty efficient right?
 
^A cigarette filter is definitely better than nothing, but a micron filter would be ideal. Other options are Sterifilt filters, or putting a cig filter or cotton inside a syringe, then shooting your liquid into the syringe barrel, then depressing the plunger to shoot it through the filter and into a fresh syringe. But that takes 3 syringes to do, I don't know if you have that many to spare.
 
The idea to re register before I with draw it is a good idea also, I am unsteady with the needle so it slipping out is a good possibility. As far as filtering I'm using cigarette filter that should be plenty efficient right?

Yeah, I used to be unsteady as well and had some similar issues as a result so I had a feeling that was it.
No, a cigarette filter is not even close to plenty efficient. You should be using a real filter. If you're not, at least use cotton.
Someone posted an experiment someone did recently that proved that micron filters were the best, of course. Cotton was second. This may sound weird but use the cotton from a tampon because it's sterile at least. Wash your hands and arms with antibacterial soap then use alcohol swabs to clean the area you're going to inject into. Roll the piece of cotton between your fingers to minimize cotton fibers which can give you cotton fever. And use only cold, sterile water to IV with.

Cotton is better than nothing and better than cigarette filters but if you're going to IV at all I strongly suggest micron filters. This is your health we're talking about... do you really want ruined, collapsed veins for the rest of your life? Think long term here.
 
I would assume some of whatever your injected is seeping back out the hole you just made into the tissue. Apply better pressure.
 
^ you are exactly right on that batch i found i simply just needed to re-register after i pushed plunger all the way down. As far as the health to my vein im pretty sure somethings already messed up with my vein its bruised from my elbow to my hand even if i dont shoot up for a week :/
 
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