About an hour ago I IMed about 110mg of powdered ketamine into my bicep. Ive felt the drunken, intoxicated side of the k, but did not k hole. I havent done ketamine alot so I shouldnt hav a very high k tolerance. I was just hoping for that k hole. Does anyone have any ideas of things that could have gone wrong or is my product just not that good?
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IM Ketamine Question - can't find the k-hole
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When is the last time you did ketamine?
Also, how much do you weigh?
If you have a baseline ketamine tolerance, and you are not heavily obese, then I'm about 95% certain either you ketamine is heavily cut, or you made an error along the mixing/shooting process somewhere.
I was quite psychologically addicted to IM'ing K for about a year, and unless my tolerance was high (3 day break was all it took) I would just about K-hole, every time. My dose was almost always 100mg (one 'point'). I weigh ~165lbs.
Also, how much do you weigh?
If you have a baseline ketamine tolerance, and you are not heavily obese, then I'm about 95% certain either you ketamine is heavily cut, or you made an error along the mixing/shooting process somewhere.
I was quite psychologically addicted to IM'ing K for about a year, and unless my tolerance was high (3 day break was all it took) I would just about K-hole, every time. My dose was almost always 100mg (one 'point'). I weigh ~165lbs.
^ What type of syringe did you use?
(# of units) + (needle length) + (gauge #)
All of the above information should be on the syringe, or on the package they came in.
One time I kept IM'ing shots and they were failing to k-hole me each time, and I could not figure out what was wrong, and finally I looked at the box and the medical supply company had accidentally sent me .5ml (50 unit) syringes instead of 1ml (100unit) syringes. 100mg of ketamine will not dissolve completely into .5ml of water, so I wasn't getting the full shot.
The errors you could have made as I see it are:
1. Syringes were too small (in capacity)
2. The needles weren't long enough, thus the solution didn't go deep enough
3. Somehow, somewhere, you spilled/leaked/didn't make the whole shot into the muscle.
But the far more likely issue is the quality of your K, which leads me to my next point. Don't shoot this stuff again. Wait until you can find quality K. IM'ing impure substances is absolutely begging for infections or abscesses.
So double check you syringes and processes, and if they check out fine that the ketamine itself is the culprit, you'll need to find a purer product.
(# of units) + (needle length) + (gauge #)
All of the above information should be on the syringe, or on the package they came in.
One time I kept IM'ing shots and they were failing to k-hole me each time, and I could not figure out what was wrong, and finally I looked at the box and the medical supply company had accidentally sent me .5ml (50 unit) syringes instead of 1ml (100unit) syringes. 100mg of ketamine will not dissolve completely into .5ml of water, so I wasn't getting the full shot.
The errors you could have made as I see it are:
1. Syringes were too small (in capacity)
2. The needles weren't long enough, thus the solution didn't go deep enough
3. Somehow, somewhere, you spilled/leaked/didn't make the whole shot into the muscle.
But the far more likely issue is the quality of your K, which leads me to my next point. Don't shoot this stuff again. Wait until you can find quality K. IM'ing impure substances is absolutely begging for infections or abscesses.
So double check you syringes and processes, and if they check out fine that the ketamine itself is the culprit, you'll need to find a purer product.
rath
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The K-hole is .75mg/lb for IM so, I'd start around 90mg, and work my way up to no more than 125mg.
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Find some ketamine vials, I find the thigh a better place to inject but inject where you feel comfortable.
^ No smaller than 29 gauge. 28G 1/2" 1CC Needles are my preferred IM needles.
The more important factor here is the needle length. You want it to be 1/2" or longer.
Make sure to read up (google, bluelight, other forums) on IM injections before attempting one.
The more important factor here is the needle length. You want it to be 1/2" or longer.
Make sure to read up (google, bluelight, other forums) on IM injections before attempting one.
Good advice.
Check this thread. I've been considering IM'ing for a while now and that thread has a lot of good info in it.
I would recommend first-timers start by practicing with a shot of sterile (very important) water. Minimal/Significant risk of infection or abscess if you take all the necessary precautions. No pain, other than that of the needle entering your body.
After water, K is definitely the most forgiving drug I've ever IM'ed. The solution causes absolutely no pain during absorption, unlike some things (2C-E hurt like hell!). Also IM injection is the medically accepted and most common method of administration. It's also the most enjoyable and useful, in my opinion.
The buttocks is the most painless place to IM.
After water, K is definitely the most forgiving drug I've ever IM'ed. The solution causes absolutely no pain during absorption, unlike some things (2C-E hurt like hell!). Also IM injection is the medically accepted and most common method of administration. It's also the most enjoyable and useful, in my opinion.
The buttocks is the most painless place to IM.
Deionized/distilled water is hypotonic... don't you think an isotonic solution should be used if for injection? I'm no expert, but it seems to me cell death is far more likely with plain water.
Personally, I'd use bag-in-can technology preservative free saline solution/wound wash, as it is isotonic. If the ketamine is from a sealed vial, that is good for injection. Injectable ketamine has more ingredients than just ketamine, also preservatives, and some kind of salt, I assume just to add tds.
Actually you should use a 23 gauge needle. This is what is used medically for an I.M. injection. A half inch needle isn't long enough to reach the muscle. It will work, yes but it is a subQ injection and not I.M. This is important if you're injecting a large amount of fluid (over 2mL) because that is not recommended for subQ. I haven't noticed much difference effects wise between I.M. and subQ though.
No, they are not. You might be able to get into the muscle with a half inch needle depending on your body fat, injection site, etc I'm not gonna say it can't be done but if you want to guarantee you're in the muscle you need a longer needle. Therefore there is no reason to recommend anyone to use a half inch needle if they want to do an I.M. injection.
Well the hordes and hordes of IM ketamine users certainly have no problem with 1/2" needles. And maybe you have way more body fat then me or something, but I can definitely hit muscle in my thigh with a 1/2" needle.
They are long enough. Maybe just not long enough for you.
They are long enough. Maybe just not long enough for you.
I have little body fat (6 ft 153 lbs) but I am telling you what is recommended medically and why it is recommended. No doctor would ever choose a half inch needle for an I.M injection into an adult. You might be able to get away with it, but it's not ideal.
I'm aware that hordes of ketamine users use half inch needles and I have done so many times myself with no noted difference in effects. However, when I finally tried the 23 G needle I realized it was a lot better because it was less painful and I could inject a whole 3 mL of fluid at once. Most syringes made for half inch needles don't even hold that much.
I guess whether it is subQ or whether there is even a difference could be answered by intentionally injecting some ketamine subQ and observing the effects. Either way though, I see no reason to steer people away from the generally accepted medical techniques for an I.M. injection. There is no reason that ketamine users should do things any differently.
I'm aware that hordes of ketamine users use half inch needles and I have done so many times myself with no noted difference in effects. However, when I finally tried the 23 G needle I realized it was a lot better because it was less painful and I could inject a whole 3 mL of fluid at once. Most syringes made for half inch needles don't even hold that much.
I guess whether it is subQ or whether there is even a difference could be answered by intentionally injecting some ketamine subQ and observing the effects. Either way though, I see no reason to steer people away from the generally accepted medical techniques for an I.M. injection. There is no reason that ketamine users should do things any differently.
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^ True, I guess it comes down to personal preference, and if you'd rather use a 23g then by all means go ahead. The only downside I can see (for an addict, or chonic user like myself) is that repeatedly stabbing yourself with such a large gauge needle may cause bigger marks and more muscle damage. Its probably minimal difference, though.