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I'm a reporter. I wanna hear about your experiences with any of these 15 chemicals

IAmChris said:
Methylone - How did it make your experience at the festival better? How do you think it would've been if you took MDMA instead?

MDA - What's the trippiest thing you've experienced? What kind of trippy things do you normally experience?

Methamphetamine - Are you talking about meth by itself, or meth mixed with MDMA (or both)?

Ketamine - Can you tell me more about how it helps hangovers? Also, what are k-cramps?

DXM - Do you remember what kind of thoughts were going through your head when you felt "dirty?"
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I was kind of neutral on the methylone experience. It didn't really enhance my festival experience as much as I'd hoped, it was nice but it didn't have the huge rush/push/loved up feeling that I get from MDMA. It would have been a better experience had I'd taken MDMA for sure. I guess I was expecting more. When you have high hopes for something and it lets you down it kind of takes away from the experience.

MDA for me when I finally come just make things look different, the one trip I had everything looked very clear. I could look at peoples faces and they looked like they had clear complexion. I also felt as though I had kind of a fish bowl effect on my vision where the corners had barrel distortion (effect you get with a wide angle/fish eye camera lens). Everything is brighter and kind of wavy and I also see some patterns forming on the wall.

For Meth I was talking about by itself and also when I had mixed it with MDMA, I typed that experience under the MDMA line.

Ketamine just numbs you since it is an anaesthetic. It numbs out any feelings you have and I believe it to be because of NMDA antagonism? Also k-cramps/k-pains is when you do way too much ketamine (I did like ~14 grams over a 3 day period) and it causes your stomach to overproduce acid. It is the most intense pain I have ever felt, feels like someone stabbing you in the gut over and over. I was in pain for 4 days, on day 3 I drove myself to the hospital crying in pain and they shot me up with morphine and I think it was ativan. Brought the pain level down from an 11 down to a 7 and they kicked me out after 8 hours and then they came right back for another day and then they went away. Don't ever hope to experience that again.

With DXM all I can remember was laying on my couch sweating and very confused. Maybe it was the body high but it didn't feel right. I then got very tired and woke up the next day and had this weird head pressure/feeling behind my eyes. I don't remember the exact thoughts as I did that a very long time ago.
 
Methylsufonylmethane? Lol

That's health food stuff. If it's ending up in e it must just be a available cut. I can't see a reason to add it...

interesting stuff I find when I leave the add cave
 
Sorry OP, but your premise is bs.

If your starting point is "cuts in MDMA, 1996-2013" then your next line of questioning should not be "which ones were better/worse?" That's akin to asking "what would you prefer your MDMA to be cut with?"

The point is we want it cut with nothing. No impurities. No prohibition to create the conditions for impure, dangerous drugs. That's what your article should be about if you are starting with cuts in MDMA. Why those cuts were used. Not which piperazine we prefer.

You also seem keen on how we knew what we were taking. You should know the obvious answer is, because of prohibition, we don't know what we are taking.

Anecdotal evidence of experiences with cuts in ecstasy. Sorry man, well, no I'm not, you're talking utter bs.
 
The OP is using that as his starting point, drugs which were substituted or used as cuts in drugs purchased as MDMA by users. The first MDA sold in my country (UK) was marketed as ecstasy. No-one told us we were going to be flat on our arses seeing stars. And enjoying it. So yeah, MDA was a substitute drug sold as MDMA.

He should be asking why our drugs are cut and mis-sold, not which cuts turn out to be accidentally brilliant or crap.
 
severely etarded said:
^ MDA is sure a funny cut to use in ecstasy lol... 8)
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lol that makes no sense :sus:


even your Armanis are sold as ecstasy, your dealer may know it's MDA but the majority probably do not

StoneHappyMonday said:
You also seem keen on how we knew what we were taking. You should know the obvious answer is, because of prohibition, we don't know what we are taking.
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Speak for yourself, friend.
 
- Methylone : I love it, it's comparable to having a few beers being a methylone high, and getting piss drunk on an MDMA high. It feels much safer, and the effects are easier on your body.
- Methamphetamine : Hardcore sex drug, it IS exactly that.
- Methylsulfonylmethane (a.k.a. MSM) : Crystal drug cut, not active in the brain. I get very pure chemicals selectively though, I've never seen this.
- BZP : Never tried it.
- TFMPP : Never tried it.
- DBZP : Never tried it.
- 5-MeO-DiPT (a.k.a. Foxy Methoxy) : Sensual enhancer, you feel sober but much more sensual and sedated.
- MDPV : Think meth, but without the feel good and double the feel bad.
- Ketamine : I do small doses, it's comparable to drinking a beer or two, but happier.
- Procaine : Never tried it.
- MDE : Sedating and seemingly slightly dissociating MDMA, I watched chunks of my life happen when I closed my eyes.
- Pseudoephedrine : My daily allergy medication.
- MDA : MDMA but less entactogenic, more stimulating and more psychedelic.
- Dextromethorphan (a.k.a. DXM) : Makes you feel like your life is lagging.
- Caffeine : Coffee ain't bad :)

And I get my chemicals very pure and unadulterated. I purposely bought all these chemicals in their pure state from an online source which shall not be named on this forum.

StoneHappyMonday said:
Sorry OP, but your premise is bs.

If your starting point is "cuts in MDMA, 1996-2013" then your next line of questioning should not be "which ones were better/worse?" That's akin to asking "what would you prefer your MDMA to be cut with?"

The point is we want it cut with nothing. No impurities. No prohibition to create the conditions for impure, dangerous drugs. That's what your article should be about if you are starting with cuts in MDMA. Why those cuts were used. Not which piperazine we prefer.

You also seem keen on how we knew what we were taking. You should know the obvious answer is, because of prohibition, we don't know what we are taking.

Anecdotal evidence of experiences with cuts in ecstasy. Sorry man, well, no I'm not, you're talking utter bs.
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Don't blame prohibition for your own ignorance. I have never had adulterated drugs in my life, I have paid to get "ecstasy cuts" in their pure form to take by themselves.

People that have the correct equipment have the pure drugs, people that don't have the correct equipment should not be buying drugs at all, simple as that.
 
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People that have the correct equipment have the pure drugs, people that don't have the correct equipment should not be buying drugs at all, simple as that.
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What do you mean by this?
 
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Folley said:
Speak for yourself, friend.
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No, I'm speaking for the general drug-taking public, the vast majority of whom do not use reagent testers (and for some of whom it would be illegal to even do that).

cyberius said:
Reagent tests. If you don't have the proper tests to find out what you are actually putting in your body, you shouldn't use drugs at all.
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Reagent tests are indicators, miles from the exact breakdown of what is in your pill. I'd say few of us have mass spectrometry equipment laying around the house. Your reagent might indicate MDMA and you turn out to have 2mg of that and 198mg of god knows what else.

If we didn't have prohibition we would have regulation. Then you'd get proper pure drugs.
 
Reagent tests are indicators, miles from the exact breakdown of what is in your pill. I'd say few of us have mass spectrometry equipment laying around the house. Your reagent might indicate MDMA and you turn out to have 2mg of that and 198mg of god knows what else.

If we didn't have prohibition we would have regulation. Then you'd get proper pure drugs.
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Yeah StoneHappyMonday, that was what I was meaning to come back and try and say, but you said it very well. Unless someone was making the pills, or had some hi tech lab equipment (mass spectrometry, is that what would do it?) then impurities are going to happen, the producers of pills are not regulated and therefore would add who knows what into the mix, and surely some or alot of what is added into the mix would not show up on reagent tests, there are so many RC's these days that i'm pretty sure would not show up on reagent tests at all, so we'd never know we are taking impurities as consumers.

Pills back in the 90's seemed to be generally stronger where I live, and they were way more expensive, but I didn't mind paying that price for them back then as they seemed like good strong pills, but over the years we had so many that Im sure we must have had other shit in them as well, now days in my neighbourhood the pills are generally alot lower strength (and cheaper) and alot more bunk or totally adulterated with god knows what. I think over time alot more backyard rookies kind of got involved with manufacturing and pressing and I imagine they dont have the same type of set up or access to various chemicals than the manufacturers of the pills in the 90's we were getting which I imagine were commonly imported from Europe and were probably more MDMA and less shit and hopefully made in cleaner, more advanced labs. It's all speculation of course. I wont be surprised if someone comes and tells me I am wrong or picks holes in my statement, I'd be interested to hear some replies.

But basically the pills scene where I am from (Aus) has seemed to have got alot worse since the 00's till now, imports have slowed right down for whatever reasons, various local, large scale importers and manufacturers have been busted and now we get alot more shit pills, pr.com and my friends over the yrs indicate this, I hardly take pills anymore, but I still do a few times a yr, and I always test them, some average to above average ones every now and then, but some really shit ones too, the crystal mdma seems more like the go here now, but even that can be of low strength even tho it looks and tests good, the last lot I got and tested tested up really well with smoke and fizz but when we had it, I thought it was pretty average really.

To OP, the only drug I am interested ever taking nowadays out of the ones on your list is MDMA or MDA. I would not purposely buy any of the other chems you listed. I'm not interested in any of them. But I know over the yrs I have had pills with BZP in them and also had a K pill (Ketamine) which we were sold as MDMA (this was back in the 90's before i tested pills) and me and a mate snorted a whole pill each at the rave thinking it was an E, then we went into a massive K hole and could hardly walk or see more than 2 feet in front of us, I was very disorientated, it was only 11.30 pm and I didn't know where I was, when infact I was in the car park of a venue on 20 mins from my home. Some friends tried to assist us to walk into the venue, with a person under each arm pit, but I was still dragging my feet and looked fucked. Im a pretty big guy, over 6 foot, and they didnt get me very far, so back to the car, spun out in the car for another 30 mins then a friend went and bought some speed for us (methamphetamine) but it wasnt crystal, it was powder, we didnt have any crystal meth in Aus back then in the 90's and anyway me and my mate snorted a few lines of speed, that got us out of the k hole and charging, we were able to walk (and run and jump) again, so we went into the rave, had a good dance for a cpl of hours, then scored real mdma pills of someone at 2 or 3 am. Eventually got home, and on Sunday arvo I went and confronted the contact who sold me the initial (ketamine) pills and told them I wonted a refund because they were not MDMA, he said he knew they were ketamine and said sorry and gave me half my money back. These days with a reagent test kit it enables me to test my pills and ketamine or meth shows up of they are in the pills, I've had to bin a few pills for the reactions or no reactions over the yrs. And as I said I dont want meth or ket, only mdma so that's what I am testing for. Also had some bzp pills once and they were shit as, gave me a headache bad. I used to consume alot of MDA in the 90's at raves as well, we had a contact who used to get it alot and we would always be happy with the results. It came in powder form, not pills, but I have also had pills off other sources that were MDA (reagent tested). I like MDA, and Im not fussed about whether it is MDA or MDMA, I like both of them, but I dont do them much anymore, I've had my days of going hard, now I just do them in moderation a few times a yr for special occasions, getting too old for all that, in my late 30's.
 
- Methylone - garbage, like diet MDMA, similar effects but only lasts about 2 hours max
- Methamphetamine - no thanks, had pure amphetamine sulphate in the 90s which was similar. Great high but the comedown is terrible and it's extremely bad for you
- Methylsulfonylmethane (a.k.a. MSM) - never had it
- BZP - garbage, felt like caffeine
- TFMPP
- DBZP
- 5-MeO-DiPT (a.k.a. Foxy Methoxy) - felt trancey and a bit trippy. Nothing special
- MDPV - no thanks
- Ketamine - never tried it but it sounds ace. However I am going to pass because it causes bladder problems.
- Procaine - had coke that was cut with it, it just numbs a little no psychoactive effects
- MDE - did a 200mg MDE pill in 1994, mild trance effect nothing more.
- Pseudoephedrine - no thanks
- MDA - totally badass and rude - and much better than MDMA
- Dextromethorphan (a.k.a. DXM) - stupid ghetto shit
- Caffeine - I like coffee

IAmChris said:
In case you're wondering why so many, it's because according to EcstasyData's data, these chemicals were popular at different times between 1996 and now, so I'm trying to cover as much ground as I can. (And besides that, Earth Erowid recommended I ask Bluelight forums).

Based on some people's responses and messages, I'm curious: Which of these chemicals do you like/dislike the most, and why? Do you feel better or worse compared to MDMA?

Plus, how did you know you were using the chemical you were using? For example, if you say you used methylone, how do you know it was methylone?

If you would like to tell me about how you've experienced these chemicals, then email me at [email protected]. And if you have any questions for me, post them here, and I'll answer them as best as I can.

Thanks!
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--Methylone is essentially a by product of poor creation of MDMA. It's effects are quick, heavy and enjoyable depending on perception of course. But the comedown is a lot heavier than MDMA itself.
--Ketamine is of course, an animal tranquilizer with very low required dosages for effects. It would be classified as a dissociative, i suppose. It's definitely a great time. Creates an out of body experience, along with a fractal vision of sorts, slurred speech and in with too much can cause a "K - Hole" which I would define as a total incapability to function in general.
--MDE is also very similar to MDMA, but with a slightly higher required dosage and less methamphetamine sort of kick. Great body high. The hardest i've ever rolled was on MDE.
--Dextromethorphan is also a dissociative, and a very intense one at that. Commonly found in cough medicines, but can be purchased in crystal/powder form. I would consider this more of an immature drug in it's own. Semi - childs play/hopping into the world of drugs. It can cause heart palpitations, seizures, and temporary insanity even.
--Caffeine... Caffeine is just a way of life. It is highly addictive, of course. And has the capabilities to decrease bone density, but also prevent type 2 diabetes. It's a beautiful thing, fuck my bones.
 
IAmChris said:
Where do you think I should start if I want to find this out?
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Perhaps you could begin with analyzing the effects of illegalizing drugs: Sold by profit-driven criminals = impure/ cut MDMA or even different dangerous copycat chemicals (PMMA). None of us want to take drugs that aren't enjoyable or are dangerous, and the reason many people do take these chemicals is because they're misold, by criminals, as MDMA. So what's the point in gathering anecdotes about them. That will just make the drug community look like a bunch of people who will take anything for a quick buzz.
 
Hey Chis, glad to see you're continuing your research on Bluelight. I'm definitely interested to see how your article turns out since I know you've been researching the topic thoroughly.

(This is Ryan's friend who originally referred you to this site, btw.)
 
JWills20 said:
Perhaps you could begin with analyzing the effects of illegalizing drugs: Sold by profit-driven criminals = impure/ cut MDMA or even different dangerous copycat chemicals (PMMA). None of us want to take drugs that aren't enjoyable or are dangerous, and the reason many people do take these chemicals is because they're misold, by criminals, as MDMA. So what's the point in gathering anecdotes about them. That will just make the drug community look like a bunch of people who will take anything for a quick buzz.
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^^This. People never used to have to worry much about adulterants or cuts other than the few common ones (meth, ketamine, caffeine, MDA, etc). Unfortunately, there are chemists domestically and internationally cranking out new chemicals every day now it seems that mimick the effects of the classics (cocaine, ecstasy, heroin, weed, amphetamines) making the unknowing user (in many cases) a lab rat. These drugs have no history and are untested research chemicals. The government can't keep up with regulation so they are legal for a time period. They are made cheaper and cost less which is why shitty drug dealers buy it cheap and resell it as something that has more value such as MDMA. Novice and unexperienced drug users don't know the difference of the effects or possible dangers of said substituted drug. Even some veteran drug users can't tell the difference or if something is cut these days which is why everyone should be educated and use test kits to test your drugs before you do them so you know what you actually have.
 
ShaunG said:
^^This. People never used to have to worry much about adulterants or cuts other than the few common ones (meth, ketamine, caffeine, MDA, etc). Unfortunately, there are chemists domestically and internationally cranking out new chemicals every day now it seems that mimick the effects of the classics (cocaine, ecstasy, heroin, weed, amphetamines) making the unknowing user (in many cases) a lab rat. These drugs have no history and are untested research chemicals. The government can't keep up with regulation so they are legal for a time period. They are made cheaper and cost less which is why shitty drug dealers buy it cheap and resell it as something that has more value such as MDMA. Novice and unexperienced drug users don't know the difference of the effects or possible dangers of said substituted drug. Even some veteran drug users can't tell the difference or if something is cut these days which is why everyone should be educated and use test kits to test your drugs before you do them so you know what you actually have.
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I think I can see yours and JWills20's points (correct me if I'm wrong): What's the point of knowing the symptoms of these chemicals, when you don't want to take most of them in the first place?

My thinking is that there are people who will take pills and powders without knowing what's in them -- or who have done so in the past. I figure that knowing the symptoms would help those consumers know what they took.

Though I think I should include info on how to test samples before taking them. Besides reagent testing, are there other methods you think regular people can use?
 
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