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If you have Tar don't Slam it, Plug it!

That's interesting. I can understand this would apply to morphine, but heroin has the extra acetyl groups that are amazingly lipophilic, which would make snorting (in theory) just as good as rectal with quicker onset (assuming most is NOT swallowed by drip). Well anyway, here's the article, the intranasal and rectal analysis is on page 5...

http://www.bentham.org/ccp/samples/ccp1-1/Rook.pdf

Routes of Administration: "Considerable peak plasma concentrations of heroin and a fast absorption rate were established after intranasal application (snorting) or inhalation in the lungs... because of its lipophilicity and low ionisation grade at physiological pH, heroin is rapidly absorbed through the mucous membranes... the first pass effecdt by the liver is avoided in these routes of administration."

"When heroin was administered orally or rectally, no heroin or 6-monoacetylmorphine could be detected in plasma... Probably hydrolysis of heroin into morphine occurred under the alkaline condition of the duodenum and colon before absorption. Moreover, heroin could be subject of the first pass effect by esterases in the liver."

Next is some ambiguity regarding what was said previously about rectal absorption...

"The first pass mechanism by the liver is avoided to a high extent after application of a heroin suppository, resulting in a lower M3G/morphine ration after rectal administration than after oral administration of heroin. Scores on euphoria were significantly higher after rectal application than after an equal oral heroin dose."

The inconsistency between the second and third quoted parts confuses me about what is actually being said. Can anyone understand this?


That's pretty confusing indeed. In my experience, when plugging I use a slightly higher dose then IV. I've only snorted heroin once, and I used a bit more then I would plug, but I can't really compare because I never plugged any of that stuff so I don't know if it was just lower quality or what. Seeing as I live in Tx, I've only seen powder once and thus have only snorted heroin once, the first time I did it. Good times in the middle school bathroom....
 
how can it be just as stong as IVing if its more "stretched out?"

That doesn't make any sense. Thats like saying sniffing is the same as eating it just takes longer to hit you.

The whole point of IVing is an intense rush, the drugs rapidly entering your bloodstream. There is no way in HELL plugging is the same thing.


Plus if your an opiate addict how are you supposed to plug shit when you are constantly constipated?
plugging is the same thing as IV its just longer onset, longer duration, and less intensity. Other than that its the same ;). And if your an opiate addict then you shouldn't be doing heroin in the first place. I'm just saying that if you care about your health, and you care about efficiency, then plugging is your best option if you have tar.
 
Same thing as IV but DIFFERENT ONSET, DURATION, INTENSITY. Listen to what you just wrote. Its the SAME THING but yet different in every way?

By that logic..I guess they are the same haha. Oral is the same too by your logic, just different onset, duration, intensity. Why don't we all start swallowing our dope.

Call me old fashioned, I'll stick to IVing before sticking that jagged pin up my ass. Then again there is no tar out here on the east coast of the US. Maybe if all my veins were FUCKED...no I still can't see doing this. Id probably start IMing first.
 
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Same thing as IV but DIFFERENT ONSET, DURATION, INTENSITY. Listen to what you just wrote. Its the SAME THING but yet different in every way?
The onset is less than 1 minute, which is nearly identical to IVing just slightly longer
The duration is 3-5 hours which is about 30% longer duration than IV
The intensity is about 40% as intense as IV, the euphoria can still be overbearing but it doesn't give you a full body orgasm

Yes plugging compared to IV is still different, but they are remarkably similar
The differences in the high are not negligible, but almost identical just "stretched out"
its basically comparing a smoked DMT trip to an oral dmt trip
or a smoked THC high to some bud brownies
anyways the difference in high is strickingly similar, whereas the difference in health consequences is enormous
go with plugging if you care about your health but not so much about a 120second rush
got tar?
plug
got china?
IV

-Dr.DOB
 
^DMT isn't active orally unless taken with an MAOI. Anyways... Reading this sparked my interest and I tried it for the first time last night. As far as the results, I had mixed feelings. First of all, I don't think my bowels were fully evacuated... Which obviously fucks up this ROA. I just have a few questions. First of all, to OP, that syringe is a 1 mL, right? (I assume it is labeled in units, like they do for insulin). Anyone have any input on how much water is optimal? Secondly, I'm hearing different things about how far you should put it in your ass... Far? Not too far? I didn't put it in very far (about 1-2 inches)... Could this attribute to my lack of results? I just had a BM so I'm going to give it another go right now. I will post back if I have results this time (I hope I do).

This thread is exciting to me because I can only get tar where I live and before reading this, my only two options were to smoke or to spend a half hour in the lab preparing a clean, clear solution for IV.
 
^DMT isn't active orally unless taken with an MAOI. Anyways... Reading this sparked my interest and I tried it for the first time last night. As far as the results, I had mixed feelings. First of all, I don't think my bowels were fully evacuated... Which obviously fucks up this ROA. I just have a few questions. First of all, to OP, that syringe is a 1 mL, right? (I assume it is labeled in units, like they do for insulin). Anyone have any input on how much water is optimal? Secondly, I'm hearing different things about how far you should put it in your ass... Far? Not too far? I didn't put it in very far (about 1-2 inches)... Could this attribute to my lack of results? I just had a BM so I'm going to give it another go right now. I will post back if I have results this time (I hope I do).

This thread is exciting to me because I can only get tar where I live and before reading this, my only two options were to smoke or to spend a half hour in the lab preparing a clean, clear solution for IV.

Answers-

It's important to have bowels empty before doing it.

How much water to use- I always use as much as possible. This helps spread the solution out more and I've always found plugging to work better when I used enough water to fill whatever device I was using, which is usually either 1 mL or 5 mL.

How far to put the syringe in- As far as possible. The goal is to get the drug to the colon I believe. I always put the rig in all the way to the hilt, if that's the term (the part just before the plunger). It sounds kinda uncomfortable, but if you put a liberal amount of oil on the rig then it's a lot less uncomfortable then snorting imo.

One other thing, is that when plugging a drug you should stay laying on your stomach or in whatever your favorite enema position is, for 20 minutes- 1 hour after administration, to help the drug go farther in. I usually remain in the position I administered the enema in (bent over) for around 5 or 10 minutes, and then just lay in my stomach or in another good enema position and watch tv or read or get on the computer or whatever.

I have the same problem about only being able to get tar, it sucks to have to prep it for any method except plugging, it's such a fucking hassle. Enjoy!

Also, yes, that's a 1 mL syringe in the picture. I find that to be the best kind for plugging because it's longer then the little 5 mL oral syringes, so you can get the drug farther in and it's much thinner then the oral syringes, so it's less uncomfortable. I honestly don't feel any discomfort at all when using a 1 mL syringe. I did the first few times I tried it, but I've got the technique down now and every thing's peachy. I find the oral syringes to be kinda uncomfortable when initially inserting them, but not too bad. Lots of canola oil, especially on the parts where the rig gets bigger suddenly (right after the tip and at the tip), help a lot to make it a smoother experience, literally.
 
Thanks for the info psychomim! Well I tried this a second time and it didn't seem to work again. I think my problem is that I have residual shit in me from being constipated. I'm debating whether or not to take a laxative before I try this again. But yeah, I have a 1 mL norm-ject syringe that works really well for this, like you said, there is hardly any discomfort at all (except when I pull it out I have a sudden reflex to take a shit). Next time I think I will try more water, I used about .7 mL the last two times, and this next time I think I will fill up the syringe once and wash it down with another .5 or so just to clean out any substance left in the vial I used to mix up my solution.

Wow all the way into the colon?! I have read that it is pretty far up there... Is that the purpose of laying on your side? To let the liquid pour into your colon? Haha thats an interesting thought.
 
Nothing against plugging, I've done it with lots of drugs and it does work well. But if I ever do heroin I'm slamming it. Haven't waited all these years for the chance just to do it any other way.
 
Does anyone know if the cuts used in heroin can be harmful to your anus or colon in the LONG TERM? For example if you plug often, will these things build up over time to contribute to health problems or cancer?
 
I've wondered that myself but I believe it doesn't build up that you pass it out your system. And besides, if you sniffed or smoked it wouldn't you rather have buildup in your colon instead of your lungs or nostrils?
 
I've wondered that myself but I believe it doesn't build up that you pass it out your system. And besides, if you sniffed or smoked it wouldn't you rather have buildup in your colon instead of your lungs or nostrils?

Ok, well the actual opiate gets in to your body after you plug it. What makes that so special? Why is everything else automatically blocked? It just doesn't make sense, there have to be some water soluble cuts in heroin that get into your body, or even non-water soluble ones that can pass through mucus membranes.
 
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