If you could only take 1 drug for the rest of your life what would it be?

[Eveleivibe]

Hey, if you've managed to give blood with those huge fuckin' needles they use, bangin' yerself up with a tiny little insulin needle would be a relative breeze... (not that I'm suggesting you ever should do, mind..)

LOL.... I guess so hahahaha.... you've a way with words lol are they really small compared with the ones for given blood? I never really looked at the needle to be honest. With that being said, I want off subs so I can give blood again and do my bit... sorry slightly off subject.

Evey

 

[Inflorescence]

LVE of course! ... of the one-on-one 'in-love-with' variety.

We manufacture all the best chemicals ourselves and between us ... and they're free!

2nd choice would be shrooms. They're also free and both nutritious and delicious, with many other beautiful functions.

I nearly put it..and really couldn't agree more. Am very lucky to be in love and loved back...oh christ stone the hippy

Oddly cocaine is/was and will always be my favourite 2nd long term love affair.

 

[Shambles]

No matter how many songs say it love is still not a drug. It does release several chemical substances that do fairly similar things to some drugs but that would make it a combo so would still be cheating

It's a fair point though. I know I tend to be considerably less interested in the level and type of consumption of more druggy drugs at such times. Am also rather fond of combining the two though. This is yet another reason why this question never does compute with me.

Nobody considered mentioning antibiotics yet? Gonna be a lotta ex-druggies deaded over shaving cuts and the like in this strange monodrug world.

 

[SummerSerenade]

You'd have to ask somebody who stigmatised the use of needles I suppose. For obvious reasons, I'm rather partial to 'em myself :D

I suspect much of it is that so many are just plain squeamish (or indeed phobic) about needles in general. Certainly doesn't help anyway. Although - as it happens - I was incredibly needle-phobic... right up until I started sticking 'em in myself on a regular basis. Had to get somebody else to do it for me at first and couldn't even look... then addict mentality took over cos obviously you're expected to donate a bit to the fella doing the injecting so didn't take long to work out there'd be more for me if I learnt to do it myself. Actually funded much of my habit(s) through 'doctoring' for dealers and stuff in the end.

I'd imagine the other big reason is that it's so closely associated with heroin addiction which is such a massive taboo even compared to other drugs and addictions. The phrase is 'dirty junky' not 'dirty cokefiend' or 'dirty alky'.

In truth it's not necessarily more dangerous than other ROAs per se (assuming you know and adhere to the safety aspects - sterile, fresh pins every time and so on). The main problems are that most drugs are cut to buggery with fuck knows what and you don't really want a lot of that crap going directly into your bloodstream. It gets there however you take the stuff but it gets a bit filtered through things with other ROAs. Other than that there's obviously the onset - if you OD you drop like a sack o' shit with no warning. Happens so fast you don't even know it's happened unless you come around. The real problem is needle fixation though. It truly does become an addiction all of its own. Once you've had that experience of going from nothing to uberfukked in seconds nothing is ever quite the same. You end up sticking anything and everything in a needle just to see what happens. Another one of those bad roads go embarking off down.

All in all, I can't say I'd recommend it wholeheartedly to anybody. Needle fixation is no joke - there's not a functioning vein accessible anywhere on my body these days. Actually there is but that's probably more luck than judgement. One of very few lines I said I'd never cross that I actually managed to stay the right side of. Would fukkin kill for one or two usable ones in pleasing places just for a treat now and then though

Off topic but I cba making a new thread.

That was a really good answer. I totally get the idea of needle fixation, though I've not injected anything so far I can already imagine how compulsive it would be. I find snorting drugs pretty compulsive as it is so I would guess that I'd get pretty bad with needles too if I ended up going that way.

I don't see injecting as any worse than any other ROA myself which was why I'm struggling to understand why it's so like, looked down upon by most people. I used to be a bit iffy about needles when I was a kid but to be completely honest, I could easily do it myself now if I was shown how and probably will end up trying it one day. My secret and kinda 'forbidden' desire is to try IV coke of course but I can see that going all kinds of bad what with how into it I am already so I'm going to be sensible for as long as I can.

As for giving blood, I've never done it - and am not allowed to until I'm 21 anyway because my blood volume is too low or something (based on my height/weight). I couldn't either way because 99% of the time a few drops of my blood would probably be enough to get someone high

Back on topic I'm surprised about people choosing weed. I haven't done much of it but I just find it a bit 'meh' compared to other stuff.

 

[ColtDan]

You have a desire to IV coke? fuckin ell

Each to their own and all that... the thought of IVing makes me almost cringe

 

[Eveleivibe]

slightly off-topic but they almost told me not to give blood ever again at one point as I was all fainty afterwards. I soon sorted myself out to stop that happening by drinking lots of fluid and eating sugary stuff beforehand like Cadbury's Cream Eggs n mars bars (or was that an excuse? LoL).

I don't think everyone looks down at people who IV. I just thought it's something that a lot of people don't understand so thus react to it. For instance, they may wonder why anyone would want to stick a needle in themselves when it hurts, that type of mentality.

Evey

 

[Shambles]

First time I saw somebody shooting up I kinda knew I was going to end up doing the same sooner or later. I got a contact high just from watching it. Admittedly this was right when I first started having the odd toot of gear and he'd given me a few lines off the foil in return for letting him hide from his missus to take drugs at my place. I totally get the fascination of it that some have. Can also see why it repulses so many. There's something deeply appealing about it all - the 'wrongness' and the rituals combined with the intimacy and the thrill of the potential risk. The rush, of course. Fascination is replaced with fixation almost overnight in my experience and things tend to go downhill rapidly from there.

Initially it seems almost sensible cos you don't need as much so you get more bang for yer buck in more than one way. Problem is that it goes in quick and comes out quick too so you soon start to need more than you ever did previously just to get to a similar place. Eventually it plateaus and you either have to play a bit safe and just maintain or keep pushing into territory where ODs become a regular occurence. Mostly it just becomes a chore. You don't know the meaning of frustration until you're in acute withdrawal - or fiending like a mofo - and no matter how hard you try you just can't find a working vein for love nor money. You will keep trying until you're a bloody mess sobbing, begging and pleading with your vascular system to let you just have this one dig and that will be it.

That's how it went for me and for a great many people I know (or knew - most of them died years ago). There are always exceptions but as a broad and general rule it's a Pandora's Box best left unopened.

Incidentally, there is a particular problem with IV coke habits that is not there for IV heroin habits. Cocaine is a potent vasoconstrictor and after a few digs your veins are all shrivelled and your blood seems to take on the consistency of putty making it nigh-on impossible to properly register and actually get the stuff into you. Heroin (specifically the citric acid used to break it down) made a mess of my veins but coke/crack destroyed them.

It's something worth bearing in mind. Once you cross the rubicon there's often precious little chance of turning back before some serious damage is done to your person, your friends, family, relationships and social life in general. You do get to make plenty new friends along the way who share your interests. They do tend to drop dead on a worryingly regular basis, mind.

I know somebody will chime in to say this is not what it's like for them or for somebody they know - I've known a few like that myself - but I suspect it's more or less the way I describe for a fair majority.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Awh Shambles, I'm sorry to hear that a lot of those people in your life died. I expect that must have been heart-breaking. Although I've never IVd I've pretty much heard the same advice given by many others on BL. You really do know your stuff and genuinely care for others in giving HR advice. You're factual but sometimes it needs to be like that in order for people to see the potential dangers / risks and the path they are choosing to walk down.

Evey

 

[SummerSerenade]

Yeah, same as you Sham really, I wasn't going to say it before because I knew I'd get my head bitten off (in a nice way) but I've always been kinda attracted to the idea of IVing and am pretty certain I will do it one day. Guess it mainly goes into two types of people, those who love it and those who are digusted by it - not many in the middle as far as I can see, it's the kind of thing that generates strong opinions isn't it. Funny you should mention the forbidden nature of it, when I first started doing drugs that was one of the things that excited me - nothing like going into the club toilets, snorting some coke and coming out with that secret 'I'm cooler than you' smile. Injecting is like that x10 in my mind I suppose.

I know about the problems with IVing coke in particular, I happen to have done a LOT of research recently. Got to admit that IV coke has been top of the list of drugs I want to try for a while but I know how fucking risky it is so I'm trying to resist the temptation. Do you think it's possible to do it once or every so often and not get fucked up (not fucked up high, that's what I'm hoping for, fucked up in life terms) from it? Or is it just one poke and you're always chasing it? Also, would I still enjoy powder coke as much after or would it feel lacking all the time?

 

[Inflorescence]

Love really is umm like a drug

Love (or maybe lust) not only blocks pain, it also seems to stimulate the same parts of the brain as cocaine

 

[SummerSerenade]

Drugs are more reliable than love I find.

 

[Shambles]

Funny you should mention the forbidden nature of it, when I first started doing drugs that was one of the things that excited me - nothing like going into the club toilets, snorting some coke and coming out with that secret 'I'm cooler than you' smile. Injecting is like that x10 in my mind I suppose.

Definitely. It's one of many reasons why I believe legalised drugs would be less attractive than one might expect. Take away the forbidden fruit and rebellion side of things and you take away a fair chunk of the appeal for many. Forbidden fruit only tastes so sweet because it is forbidden. More mundane fruit tend to seem that bit blander.

Do you think it's possible to do it once or every so often and not get fucked up (not fucked up high, that's what I'm hoping for, fucked up in life terms) from it? Or is it just one poke and you're always chasing it? Also, would I still enjoy powder coke as much after or would it feel lacking all the time?

It's possible to only inject anything occasionally. Can't think of many who manage it, mind. I'm not a betting man but if I were I'd put it all on being in the latter category no matter who you are. If you feel the pull even before having done it I would strongly suspect you'll be feeling that pull a helluva lot stronger if you were to do it. It's a mighty strong pull and it really is incredibly hard to do anything but keep chasing that first time. You never do get that first time feeling back, not really. You'd be surprised how many excuses you can manage to find to convince yourself to keep at it all the same. I'd often inject just water if I had nothing else - it's a common thing. The drug side of it is one thing but the needle itself becomes an addiction all by itself and you will feed it anything no matter the consequences. In my experience it's when you first start to use needles that is the most experimental stage - when you just want to inject anything and everything to see what the rush is like. This is not a good thing to do to yourself and the damage done can be a lot more than you bargain for at the time. I consider myself incredibly fortunate to have 'only' mangled just about every vein I can reach.

You're spot on with your last sentence. It's not that you can't enjoy drugs via other ROA anymore so much as you are sure it's a bit of a waste. Even now when I've not shot anything IV in a long time I kinda resent having to snort something or whatever when I know there was once an alternative I liked even more. Lacking even when it's not even very feasible for me to even try to inject. Not as intensely lacking as when I first accepted it was no longer feasible but you can't unknow something like that. You can avoid having that particular problem altogether though and I would recommend that you do try to avoid it or at least think long and hard and realistically about how it tends to pan out for most who go that route.

Love really is umm like a drug

Love (or maybe lust) not only blocks pain, it also seems to stimulate the same parts of the brain as cocaine

Indeed. But still a cocktail of drugs not just one so still cheating

As far as drug cocktails go it's a bit of a belter though for sure

(... if memory serves 8))

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Heroin (specifically the citric acid used to break it down) made a mess of my veins but coke/crack destroyed them.

This is so true!!! I was shooting speed for years with no damage to my veins. Then when I started on the gear, the citric started to slowly take its toll. But as soon as I began speedballing, they disappeared virtually overnight . The other major problem with shooting coke is that as it's a local anaesthetic, you don't feel any pain from bad hits and misses.

 

[Chatative]

Definitely. It's one of many reasons why I believe legalised drugs would be less attractive than one might expect. Take away the forbidden fruit and rebellion side of things and you take away a fair chunk of the appeal for many. Forbidden fruit only tastes so sweet because it is forbidden. More mundane fruit tend to seem that bit blander.

You are definitely right but the RC market goes against that a bit. I mean, everyone & their dog was trying Mephedrone back when it was legal. A huge amount of people who wouldn't have taken illegal drugs were trying it. Although I suspect perhaps the forbidden nature of drugs is so ingrained that even legal ones are seen as forbidden fruit too. A mere technicality that they are temporarily legal.

It's a sorry state of affairs that drugs are so misunderstood.

 

[ScotchMist]

So do IV heroin users who are lucky enough to have access to #4 have a better mileage with the ol'veins then?

My veins were always the envy of my peers as I do have large veins in my arms, you could throw a pin in them from the other side of the room..

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

can summerserenade just stick to the anti talking-ignorant-bollocks drug from now on please, thread needs some respite

 

[Raasyvibe]

Definitely. It's one of many reasons why I believe legalised drugs would be less attractive than one might expect. Take away the forbidden fruit and rebellion side of things and you take away a fair chunk of the appeal for many. Forbidden fruit only tastes so sweet because it is forbidden. More mundane fruit tend to seem that bit blander.

Yes but it replaces the "I'm naughty and I know it" notion, and replaces it with a far more dangerous "It's ok to take the drug, it's legal" notion. I do see the merit in your argument on the whole... it's a very considered argument. Legalisation solves many of the issues surrounding drugs.

I stand by what I say, however. The law must consider society as a whole, it can not be individualised. There's too many vulnerable people in the public and these substances are best kept away from them.

I kinda like the system how it is. if you really DO want to take drugs you can still get hold of them if your keen enough, but the illegitimacy presents a stance towards drugs which serves as a severe warning for those who may be susceptible to substance abuse.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

So do IV heroin users who are lucky enough to have access to #4 have a better mileage with the ol'veins then?

I believe so, yes. Unfortunately I've never had access to water soluble heroin, but it stands to reason that water is better for yer veins than acid.

 

[SummerSerenade]

can summerserenade just stick to the anti talking-ignorant-bollocks drug from now on please, thread needs some respite

Surely the cure for being ignorant about something is asking questions? I've never claimed to know everything, I'm only 19 and no one's born with a comprehensive knowledge of drugs (apart from you, clearly). If you can't talk about drugs and how you feel about them on a err, drug forum, then where can you?

I don't mind people being off with me when I'm being a twat which I frequently am but not when I'm trying to have a sensible discussion. If I'm that offensive to you then ignore works as well. I may be ignorant but at least I'm working on it unlike most people who dive into taking drugs without even considering the consequences. You should work on whatever issue you have that makes you feel the need to act like a cunt over the Internet for no reason.

Thanks for all the proper replies, has given me a lot to think about. Nice to know there are some helpful folk around.

 

[ScotchMist]

Yes but it replaces the "I'm naughty and I know it" notion, and replaces it with a far more dangerous "It's ok to take the drug, it's legal" notion. I do see the merit in your argument on the whole... it's a very considered argument. Legalisation solves many of the issues surrounding drugs.

I stand by what I say, however. The law must consider society as a whole, it can not be individualised. There's too many vulnerable people in the public and these substances are best kept away from them.

I kinda like the system how it is. if you really DO want to take drugs you can still get hold of them if your keen enough, but the illegitimacy presents a stance towards drugs which serves as a severe warning for those who may be susceptible to substance abuse.

I know this is derailing the thread and yourself and shambles batted this topic back and forth until you gave Mr S a headache but.....

How can you say that the current laws are keeping vulnerable people safe, they either seek out drugs which contain many an unknown adulterant or failing that ( which I dont see as a valid argument as drugs are nearly as easy to obtain as orange juice) they'll just consume a legal substance whether it be food, booze, cigarettes, codeine or whatever.. keeping drugs completely of limits in the eyes of the law doesnt address peoples wants/needs to feel something other than themselves. People will find ways to soothe themselves regardless of laws, so surely leaving the drug trade to self regulate by money grabbing crooks with no regard for the consumer is causing more harm than good. Surely

Someone brighter than myself would have to iron out the details but a regulated market is better than a non regulated one, no?

Drug use is rising, laws are failing. Fact