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if you could give dealers advice ,what would u tell them

Don't be an ass. Be a professional. Sure it is drug dealing, but every profession, regardless of what it is, should have people acting professionally. It is just a good way to conduct yourself. And sell a product you can be proud of. I get mad when I expect one thing and get another.
 
I would also like to say this: dealers, please, take what you say to heart and don't get upset when your customers practice what you're preaching...

I had a dope dealer who would get so mad whenever someone asked for a deal; he would always say, "this is what it is, and if you don't like it, then go somewhere else..."

I didn't like it, so I went somewhere else one day and on one of those days when he was taking much, much too long, and he (and his girlfriend) threw an absolute conniption fit when they found out. I swear, for almost an hour straight, they blew up my phone... "just lose our numbers and don't go through us anymore."

I'm OK with him now, and he's still a dealer I keep in my pocket, but it was absolute insanity... I had no idea a dealer could get so pissed off for that reason. I don't go around bragging to my dealers that I have other dealers, but they know I go through other people from time to time, and they all know each other so they just laugh about it... it's no big deal.
 
lazylazyjoe said:
You know , it's just as much a pain in the ass on the other side too
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In many ways being a drug dealer is worse than being a drug user- you actually deal with and get fucked around by more dealers (most of the time) when you are a drug dealer than when you are a drug consumer, then you'll generally only have a handful of people you'll actually be actively seeing at any one point in time.

The fact that drug users are the absolute worst fucking customers in the world certainly doesn't help the situation, combined with the fact that the more drugs they buy off you (in normal sectors you want customers to buy lots, right?) the worse they become as customers, often culminating in them developing some form of problematic pattern of use which they then blame on the dealer and narc on. This is probably how the police get 80% of their information on the drug trade- bitter fucking junkies pissed at their dealers that they aren't high because they're so in debt no one will deal with them, but they can't get money because they're so drug ravaged...so they flip. This is why most dealers are total shitbags- the only people who actually stick with dealing are complete fucking assholes.

I've had a lot of dealers in my time, and although I've never really dealt (sometime I'd try to get 'free weed' when I was at uni by selling, but it never worked out- I'd just end up ticking a couple of tinnies and smoking most of an oz...so i stopped trying that one) I've seen a lot of my mates go through cycles of getting into dealing, a couple quite seriously (Selling lb weed, selling oz of MDMA/Ketamine, selling kg's of Mephedrone/MDPV hehe) for a time and they all got out of it and, in the very end, came away with virtually nothing to show for their efforts because they got fucked at every turn- often by their suppliers, who often treat dealers who actually see customers little better than they treat dopesick junkies, but overwhelmingly by customers who feel entitled to try to get away with anything and everything that they can while buying drugs.

Seriously, I've heard some fucked up shit. You would not believe how entitled some people are when it comes to drugs, let alone some of the stupid demands- for instance, demanding to be sold a quarter of a blotter...for less than 1/4 the price of the blotter...
 
limonov said:
Ugh, I'd hate to think of how many hours of my life have been wasted by dealers bullshit. Here's a little rundown of tips for all the dealers who, undoubtably, frequent this board-

1) As many people have said TIME MOTHERFUCKER! We aren't buying pizza, we drug users are a pretty understanding bunch, most of us know that there's every chance that we're gonna have to wait around for a few hours when we call you and we're gonna accept that you might text us telling us that you're gonna be an hour late- but BE REALISTIC WITH YOUR TIMING! If you are 2 hours away on the other side of town don't bullshit me and say you'll be 20 minutes, you're not gonna be 20 minutes- it's gonna be 2 hours. Tell me, honestly, how long you're gonna be. Similiarly, if you get delayed- say you're waiting on some shit to be delivered to YOU and your guy texts you being all "Yo, another hour. Patience is a virtue bitch" while smokes a little more meth and refuses to give up on that orgasm that he's been working on for the last 3 hours- tell me you're gonna be over an hour late, don't say "I'm a little behind, prob be about 20 minutes".

2) This leads nicely to- don't act like you're a fucking high-rolling drug baron. The fact that I, a grubby drug user, is talking to you and handing you money means you ain't shit. I hate this shit, every fucking knickle and dime pot dealer thinks they're fucking scarface. Not only does it make you an asshole to deal with but it also means that you end up looking bad. What do I mean? If I'm buying an oz of weed off you and it's a good price and good weed and that, but it's a bit leafy because you bought a lb 20% of which was cabbage- and although you kept most of it for butter each oz has a few g's of cabbage- fucking tell me! Explain that you got a bit of a shitty pound, the price is still right and it's not like I'm not gonna understand. Similiarly, if your acid/MD/speed/whatever is weaker that usual because that's just what you got, fucking be honest and tell me- there's every chance that I'll just buy more because I wanna get high and I know what it take to get me high, underdosing me is just going to make me have a crap experience because of you and that is gonna piss me off.

3) Get good scales, calibrate them (although this can work both ways- once had a dealer who's scales were obviously fucked- every oz of weed weighed 31.7g) and fucking USE THEM. Sometime I'll get more than I pay for when you eyeball shit, but most of the time I won't and I'd just prefer to know how much I'm actually getting. Oh and don't assume I'm not going to weigh it, because (evidently) I have better scales than you and I DO use them. Also, I'm not paying for the bag- weigh the bag and deduct it from the weight of the bag with teh powder in it and that's how much powder is in that bag, dumbass. I saw a guy who actually SOLD fucking EYEBALLED doses of 2C-B. Fortunately he only had a gram (which became 30 heafty doses) I suppose? And meth dealers, all of whom sell 'points' (100mg), yet don't have scales- point bags generally run at about 50-75mg-ish heh. Fuck, I knew a guy who bought half grams of really good crystal, he'd smoke about 300mg then turn the 2 points left into 2g of 'speed' which he then sold to get his money back. Was a fucking cunt.

4) I understand that you have no desire to be my friend. Believe it or not, I have no desire to be your friend either. I already know enough dumbass drug dealers that, sadly, I went to school with and consequently am never getting away from. This does not mean that you have to be a hostile motherfucker, be friendly, make a little small talk as we walk from where we meet to where the transaction takes place you know? I'm not trying to befriend you, I'm trying to get a feel for you to see if I should trust you- if you seem trustworthy and on to it and your gear is good I may well buy a larger amount next time. But even if your gear is good but you seem like a shady motherfucker I'm not gonna risk the hassle/getting fucked over by trying to get larger amount.

5) Don't try to intimidate me. I'm not scared of you, mainly because as a person who wants to buy drugs I don't feel like I should have a lot to be scared about. Besides, why are you trying to intimidate your clients?

6) If I have bought off you a few times, don't get all outraged if I ask about getting larger quantities. I'm not expecting you to make nothing out of middlemanning a bigger quantity from the person who supplies you, but don't take the fucking piss- $50 off a grand is such a token discount that you should just say that you don't do bulk instead of making such a ridiculous offer. This is particularly true of people who sell pills- there are just so many middle men between the importers and the street-sellers (much like weed, huge divide between growers and tinny dealers) that a lot of people who sell individual pills may only be making $50 off selling 10 pills- if you can't afford to do bulk, don't do bulk, but don't bullshit me about it (relates to 2)

7) I understand that drug dealers are often drug users and that drug dealers often became drug dealers to supplement their drug user however you don't need to be wasted all the time. I understand if I've just given you a ring out of the blue, or at night/the weekend/other times you'd expect someone to be fucked up- but trying to do a deal with someone who has taken 8mg of cloanzepam before lunch, even though we had arranged all of this the night before because he needed to mission out and get it last night, is both nigh-on-impossible and fucking infuriating! If you really want to sit around all fucking day and take drugs while you deal you basically have to deal out of your house, and let people come to your house, or else you're going to be a shitty dealer that noone wants to deal with- atleast if you deal out of your house then people will be able to come and find you and, if needs be, have a place to sit around for 45 minutes while you come out of the k-hole (I actually had a dealer go into a K-hole at my house once- sold me some K, asked if he could use the bathroom, he was gone a while- went into bathroom to find dealer holed on the floor, a fat line of K still laid out on a shaving mirror sitting on the toliet lid. Took the line and dragged him outside and put him on the couch on the porch. Dickhead)

8) Actually know what you're selling! The bullshit drug myths that I have heard drug dealers propagate about the DRUGS THAT THEY SELL is fucking headspinning! The amount of people who sell pills who actually genuinely believe that mephedrone IS MDMA is actually tragic. Similiarly, the amount of people who think that 'speed' (cut meth that is snorted) is a different drug to 'crack' (crystal meth for smoking/iv) is kinda disheartening. Do some research on what it is you're selling, if you're selling things like pills/MD get a bloody pill tester kit, use them and BE HONEST- people understand that a hell of a lot of shit are at least partially RC's, we understand- it's just most people want to know if they're about to take 200mg of mephedrone not 120mg of MDMA.

9) Don't invent slang for drugs, don't start using your in-joke name for drugs with your customers. It's ok to tell me to use different 'codes' when talking on the phone/texting (like, what to ask for/about) but really, when I'm standing with you weed's weed baby. On a similar note, don't use motherfucking hip-hop terminology/slang. Just because you understand it does not mean that I do and it makes you look like a fucking idiot using black LA slang standing around in Wellington, New Zealand in the ass-end of the South Pacific. Don't start using terms from that rap song you just heard just because you think it makes you sound cool. It just makes things even more complicated, drug already have a bazillion names for fucks sake.

10) Don't act like you're put upon, that selling me drugs is some terrible burden that you have to bear. I'm sorry I assumed that this was something that you did to MAKE MONEY and that me GIVING YOU MONEY would assist you in doing so. If you're not 'really' a dealer, you just middleman now-and-then, then be honest/clear about this- once again, I understand how irritating it is if you're not actually a dealer and people are always hassling you to cop for them, I won't bother you if it's not gonna be worth you while (and if I'm desperate I'll know to offer you a little something because it isn't you're job, you're just doing me a favour). Similiarly, if you are a part-time dealer (i.e. you have a legitimate job and deal on the side) then tell me when you work and when is best for me to try to meet up with you and I'll keep that in mind when I'm thinking about trying to get shit off you. If you are a full-time dealer and it is your job then you have no excuse for not being consistant. I know that there is a lot more to dealing than people think and that there are times when you will just be genuinely busy with real world stuff- but tell me, keep me in the loop. Just like if you're going on holiday and you've know about it for months- tell me a few weeks in advance, I may well put in a particularly big order prior to you leaving (which gives you extra spending money for your trip- everybody wins). Dealing may be fairly easy money, but it's a bitch of a lifestyle and if you don't want to do it DON'T DO IT! If you are a drug dealer people will treat you like a drug dealer, they will absolutely assume that you have nothing better to do than schlep your way around to sell them drugs- don't belittle/patronize/generally be shitty to your customers or the first time they come across a better connection you'll never see them or their money again. I've seen people go from literally making thousands of dollars profit a week to making nothing simply because no one would deal with him anymore once his cliental hooked up with another guy who sold (this was involving social dealing, so there was more whining and bitching about this turn of events than legs being broken and guns being pointed in faces)
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Great post! I think that you touched on something in #10 that nobody else really mentioned. Middlemen not saying that that's what they are. I have had dealers that I suspected were middle men, but I wish they were honest about it so I wasn't bothering them about either timing, or certain quantity and/or product. If I think that you have the product on you, then I am going to be trying to meet with you/calling more than if you have to get it from someone else. Just let me know "hey, I don't always have stuff on me, and usually get it from my boys, so place the order and I will get back to you after I see my boy."

Another thing that I will add that I have been hearing more of lately; Don't try to charge more saying "these are my last 2, so I have to charge more.' By that rationale, if I buy the first 2 they should be cheaper than the rest.
 
I think a lot of dealers lose their mind in the game eventually.

I had a friend who sold excellent products.

Then just a month ago I completely lost it, because the said item was completely cut to shit with caffeine. I pretty much OD'd on caffeine. Jitters, stomach cramps, chest pains. Now I don't know whether I want to trust him again. I'd like to teach him how to properly cut his products, but he'd take it as an insult. Oh well.
 
When you sell heroin, you should know that your customers get sick without it. they will go crazy when they need something and you wont pick up your damn phone. if you don't like it, either answer your damn phone or stop selling a drug that leaves people in miserable withdrawals.
 
I would just like to reiterate how much I hate, hate, hate it when dealers get so upset over their customers asking for deals.

I just picked up five bags from one of my dealers; they're good bags, but she rarely gives those deals that many other dealers give, dealers with bags comparable in size and quality to hers. I called her up today and told her that I was five dollars short. I didn't think that it would be too much of a problem because I was buying five bags and that's just $1 off per bag... but she got mad!

I politely explained to her that I could get a better deal from another dealer but that I wanted to bring her my business, which was the absolute truth, and so she did it.... but c'mon.... I understand that you've got to make money, but I'm not being all that unreasonable here.
 
^ Amen!

To me, the world of street drugs is perfectly fair game for haggling, since the dealer has complete control over the prices he charges, and it's an entirely private person-to-person transaction. There's a world of difference between being a manipulative (or intimidating) drug fiend, versus politely asking a dealer to lower the price for a perfectly rational reason. If I am able to get a better deal on the same quality product elsewhere, or am buying in bulk, or have done the dealer a favor in the past, I am not at all out of line asking nicely but assertively for a discount. The dealer also has no right to bitch if he tells me to pay his price or walk, and I walk, especially if he was rude or intimidating in the way he refused. Business is business, and letting you rip me off sends the wrong message (namely, that I'm either naive or desperate, and have ceded all rights to haggling or complaining in the future).

As the buyer, it's your responsibility to know what the current going prices are in your area, both retail and wholesale, for the products you want. It's also your responsibility to know how hard the drugs are to find in that area, and what demand there is for them. If you're buying a drug that's hard to find and/or the dealer knows he can sell at a high markup without difficulty, your power to bargain will be pretty limited. Still, if, say, you're offering to buy a dealer's entire inventory, it doesn't matter if he's peddling the rarest and most coveted substance around -- you're doing him a favor and do not deserve to be charged full retail price, unless you come off as desperate.

Granted, like in all private business negotiations, haggling is all about timing. If your deal involves you calling your dealer and him taking the time to go get the product from "his boy" before meeting you, any haggling takes place in your initial phone call to him, not when you meet up. If you're copping in an open air market situation such as at a festival or in a dive bar, you haggle only after you've seen the product and are sure you're interested. As in all business, never begin haggling if you're not serious about buying the product.

I've met dealers -- typically one-off encounters in open-air situations -- who seem put off by the fact that I know my drugs well, and can tell the difference between an offer not to be missed from a complete ripoff. It seems some would rather just sell to uncomplaining, fairly eager customers, who'll just buy what they're offering without any questions. Again, this sends the wrong message. Customers who buy like this are encouraging the spread of low quality or even fake product.
 
I'd tell em: dont drop out of the game forever you pussy, give me your hook if youre gonna drop like a rock, dont cut your shit to shit, dont smoke meth, dont get addicted to anything, get a test kit, you gotta re-up in back alleys well tough shit, if you dont smoke weed then dont sell weed, dont extract the resin from whole buds with alcohol and then sell me the dried husks, dont leave your doors unlocked, dont wave you bag of stash in anybodys face unless they have money on hand and are buyin some, invest in a safe, if you cant step up then get down, AND for their benefit: dont ever evr evr evr trip or sketch about anything ever. worrying about shit never helped anybody. keep a level head, follow your gut. if all else fails, set the cruise control and climb out the sunroof... come out shootin like the sundance kid
 
On the flip side...my advice to "clients" (note: I don't deal anymore but I did years back to fuel my own addictions).


1) Don't call me after I've "closed", I made the hours of business very clear to you when we first "hooked up" and I expect you to respect them. I gotta be in bed by 12 am at the latest to make sure I'm fresh for in the morning (I gotta hold a day job to pay the bills too, what, you think I'm paying rent with what I'm making off selling you this shit?). You call me 4 times in a row at 2am expect to get cussed out and hung up on, and if you call back, that's it, I'll never answer your calls ever again! I ain't got time for this bullshit, just because you want a dime bag of shitty weed at 2 am is no excuse to try and drag me out of bed on a week day. Get with it and buy your shit during business hours if you want to get high at 2am on a weekday!

2) Don't ask me about this shit in public, I don't give a shit if you know me and you're "cool". Asking me about business while I'm in a bar, at my local smoke shop stocking up on tobacco and supplies, filling up for gas. These are not places to conduct business. Tell me you need to speak with me privately about something and we'll go around the block and discuss it.

3) Don't show up at me house at 3am, with a car load of your buddies, in a car with no fucking tags on it, and expect to get "hooked up" with anything. Further more, if I've been nice about this and told you "you need to leave and never show up at this hour again, we're cool, call me tomorrow, but I ain't dealing with this shit right now I WAS FUCKING SLEEPING FOR A REASON!" don't get all pissy about it and try to act like I'm the ass hole. You're the asshole, you're the one that showed up at 3am knocking on my fucking door like the police. You except me not to get pissed? Fuck off.

4) I understand that sometimes people get broke and would like to come by and smoke some of my stash for free. No problem, if I got a friend in that situation I have no problem helping you out. But don't abuse my kindness! If you're coming by every day to catch a buzz for free, you're no longer a client, you're a leech. I have to pay for this shit too ya know!

5) Don't give out my phone number to your idiot friends, don't bring them by my house, don't expect me to trust these people just cause they know you. for all I know they could be planning on breaking into my place at a later time and robbing me. I don't know these people, I know you. This is dealing 101! folks and it amazes me how often people break this simple rule then want to be act like I'm some asshole because I refuse to answer the calls/deal with those friends of yours/tell you to leave and come back when you don't have "friends" in the car. Again, those "friends" could be the police or a rat.

6) Don't expect me to come right over when I'm called. Sometimes I have shit to do like....grocery shopping for example. I'll try to give you a time table, I'll try to keep you up to date if that changes because something came up. I'm not trying to bullshit you or piss you off, realize that I have shit going on in my life as well and sometimes life is a bitch. On the same note, don't call me every 5 minutes for a "ETA" if I'm a bit late. If I don't answer your call that means I'm busy at that moment and will return the call ASAP. I might be, you know, picking the shit up for you and the man/lady I get it from might be one of those types that paranoid and doesn't want someone coming by for 5 minutes....so I have to "visit". You get the idea here....and also, I'm not one of those ass holes that will flat out lie to you about the times. Sometimes shit gets fucked up and I might be later than expected, but again, this is all part of the illegal game we play.

7) Don't assume that I'm making a living off selling you drugs. I might be doing it to support my own habit, or help pay the rent because I couldn't pull enough hours at work that week, or hey, maybe I'm just selling you something because I want some cash to go blow on my drug of choice. I have a life to you know.

8) Don't worry the fuck out of me about wanting one $5 pill or a $10 bag of weed or anything small like that. I don't mind selling you a small amount like that, I understand times are hard and maybe you just want something to get you through the night. But at the same time, I have guys buying ounces of weed and sometimes more, I have guys buying those pills 20 at a time. Your "order" is obviously going to come behind those orders if I happen to have multiple stops on the same night!

9) Another thing: Turn me on sometimes, I have to pay for this shit too you know! If I'm getting you high every time you stop by to pick up your stuff rolling up a doobie (even a pin-joint) every couple of visits means you're a-okay in my books. I like to get high for free as much as the next guy.

10) My "side profession" is a stressful part of my life. I am super paranoid every time I have to ride over to your place with a stash full of how much trouble in the car just because you need a buzz. So cut me a little slack if I seem a bit pissy....I did just drive 25 mile and risked a ton of legal troubles for myself to bring you this stuff. At least be a little understanding to what I have to go through too.

11) Don't buy a bag of weed from me, say it looks great in your opinion and that you're happy. Then, 3 days later call me up and tell me you only got "5 blunts" out of the bag or the product was shit and that I "owe you" more weed or your money back only to show up with nothing but an empty bag. Obviously it was good enough for you to toke up, because it if wasn't you wouldn't have smoked the whole fucking bag. If you bring me back a bag that's mostly full and tell me it was crap, no problem, you'll get a refund or I'll add an extra gram or so to the bag or give you something else that's "better stuff" (if I have it on hand). I'll make an attempt to work things out and make them right if you bring back the unused product that I sold you. But I ain't no fool, and I ain't giving you free shit/money because you claimed the stuff wasn't any good when you consumed all of it!

12) Don't come by my place or call me 5 times a day to get a "blunt" or a "dime" or one or two pills. If you need all of that, save your money up over the course of the day and get it all in one visit. I don't like traffic at my house, and I don't like coming out 5 times a day to sell you small orders (I gotta pay for gas too you know!) Plus, maybe I have better things to do like oh...supper with my family, getting work down around the house, catching up on things I brought home from work to do over the weekend. Make a habit out of this shit and expect to find your phone calls no longer getting answered.

13) Last but not least: I am not some sicko, and this mainly goes out to the females since I had such a problem out of them when it came to pain medication. I have zero interest in getting my dick sucked for a couple of pain pills, the simple fact that you brought that up sends up red flags and I don't want you touching, much less sucking, my penis. You take that shit on up the road to crack town if you're that bad off. Expect to get an ear full of advice if you come at me like that. If you're sinking to that level just for a fix, its seriously time that you go get yourself some help.

I hope this is not considered off topic, I just wanted to rant about some of the stuff I had to go through when I did this shit years ago. There is a very good reason I stopped: Its too stressful for one, the paranoia gets you to the point where you can't sleep at night, the constant anxiety of riding around with all that illegal shit in my car...it all adds up. Don't even get me started on the few ass holes that just never "got it" and wanted to get into fist fights because I gave them a piece of my mind at 2am half asleep and very pissed off because they woke me up at 2am. Fuck people like this, they are worse than the scum bag "dealers" that screw their clients imho.

Hope no one took this reply the wrong way...it is what it is. Just realize, that your "dealers" are going through a ton of shit themselves. Also, I know where a lot of you are coming from as I've been on the other side of this countless times. Nothing worse than a weed man that was supposed to show up at 2pm and doesn't show til 6pm (if at all) without calling to let me know he'll be late. These people piss me off too..and often times, by the time they show I've already found it elsewhere, got high, and in the process of rolling the second or third joint by the time you show up. Sorry, you didn't get my call about already having some at 4pm? I waited dude, I made an attempt to call, but you wouldn't answer you god damn phone. Don't pretend I'm the ass hole...I made every effort to deal with you...you were late, you didn't return my calls...fuck off.....and these "dealers" wonder why I only call them as a last resort now.

I am also sorry if this broke any forum rules in anyway, I must admit I am not familiar with all of them and I will go study up now. My main reason for signing up here was helping people out with harm reduction as I was and still am going though an addiction to a pain pill habit I developed. My only saving grace: H is rare where I live and I was never offered the needle! I think I would have gone down that path if it presented itself to me. I am in recovery, and doing a lot better now and I hope to pass on any advice I can to my fellow man suffering from the awful thing that is addiction. I wasted years of my life using, dealing, jumping from one thing to another, and its a wonder I'm not dead! :( I've destroyed my relationship with my family, friends, and well anyone else that had the displeasure of knowing me. But I'm working at it one day at a time, and aside from one relapse a month and a half ago, I've been "clean" for 5 months now. It's been really hard, but slowly but surely things are improving and I hope to continue on this path and resist the demon within me. It gets a little better every day! :)

Anyway this "rant" has gotten a bit long so I'll end this now.

Thanks for listening all, and again, I hope I didn't come off as brash! In case you're wondering, I have a collapsed nasal cavity from a fist fight I got into over a "client" that was an ass hole as one point in my dealing days. So I'll always have that to show for it.... You can't tell from the outside (well barely, people don't notice unless I point it out), but on the inside....man it really screwed up my breathing! I ended up getting cool with that friend again about a year later, we put it behind us and would party together every now and again. We always smoked KB and did variety of pain medication together (I was heavily addicted to it at that time). Well about a month after that, him and his girlfriend ODed one night off a bad mix...I believe xanax, fentanyl, probably something like roxicodone, and liquor were involved. I lost another friend on the same night to an overdose, and three others that year to overdoses.

That's what "saved" me, I've seen too many of my friends put in the ground over this shit. I can't go down that path....I couldn't put my family and friends through that....:(
 
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