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If the Bible has been edited, then why leave in the bad bits about God?

Dont you think if people in the mid first century knew Jesus didnt exist it would be hard to fool contemporaries.

I'm not saying that there was some sort of clear fabrication brought forth by a conspiracy of authors. Rather, I'm saying that as histories passed from person to person, they took on the mythical, metaphorical qualities we see in our holy books.

Your missing the point.
If you were the apostles would you go to your death for a made up man?
That just isnt logical.

Maybe some went to death for a historical figure that was one component in the construction of Jesus. Maybe the accounts of the apostles were reconstructed from written and oral history patched together decades after the actual events involved, the tale taking on mythical and metaphorical qualities over time (and in this sense, the apostles as well). However, whether any of this actually happened has little bearing on Christianity's current functioning.

ebola
 
It's really only the most basic facts regarding Jesus, such as name, place of birth, execution and so forth that seem to be considered "iron clad", or so I thought...? Its hard to claim that the gospels are accurate historical documents.

There is no evidence that a man named Jesus existed in the same area/time as the story of Christ.
The "evidence" (I've gone through it) is limited to this: a man named Jesus existed at some point.

None (zero point zero percent) of the historical accounts were written during the time of Christ.
None (zero point zero percent) of the gospels were written during the time of Christ.

None of the contributing writers of the New Testament ever claimed to have met Christ, or met anyone directly associated with him.

Moses wasn't a real person either, I don't think. Although, I haven't looked into it too much.
He certainly didn't write the books of Moses. Yet people are willing to die, believing that he did.

If you were the apostles would you go to your death for a made up man?
That just isnt logical.

The fact that you refuse to believe - even when there is no supporting evidence to the contrary - that Jesus didn't exist, is why it's possible.
You are a living example of what you're trying to logically disprove.
(Do not underestimate the power of delusion.)
 
The abrahamic YHWH is just one deity among many, not the one and only "God". He is a wrathful, capricious God that people were taught was the one and only God. It's not true.

"God" is not subjective. When you're dealing with the Bible you're dealing with the entity YHWH only.
 
Yahweh fundamentalists remind me of Jehovah's witnesses, for obvious reasons.

When you're dealing with the Bible you're dealing with the entity YHWH only.

No, I'm not. Yahweh is connected to Christianity, but the Christian God is not Yahweh.

There is no "correct" transliteration (translation from Hebrew into English), so using all capitals doesn't achieve anything.

The theory of God has been a work-in-progress throughout history.

We didn't stop developing the idea, at Yahweh.

Adhering to a particular point in the evolution of religion, and denying everything that followed, is kind of like how the Amish treat technology.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

As for whether or not there is one God or many, we are certainly trending towards the belief - historically - that God is singular.
 
Remember though, mostly we know about Druidism from the conquerors.

Well, that doesn't count. I was talking about what I've learnt from practitioners first hand. Most druids weren't like Gandalf, that's a romantic fairytale.

Though there have always been good people and I'm sure there were some who wanted to take it in a better direction, but they weren't representive of the majority.
 
LOL, even my biologist who was a fanatical evolutionist told us Jesus was a historical figure (by that he meant nothing more, but at least he couldn't deny his existence). But now so many seem to think they can just take the view even the existence of Jesus was a conspiracy, just like they can call anything else they don't like a conspiracy.

There are some things that just can't be be taken out of history (maybe in 2000 years Germans will be saying Hitler was a conspiracy - not that it could be proved, but some stupid people might). People will just turn anything around to suit their agenda.
 
Er...it's a fairer point of comparison to think of the "pre-Christian world" as Greco-Roman, Chinese, and Hindu, not the relatively primitive groups inhabiting NW Europe at the time.

ebola

Might not be to you, but it could be of interest to those who have their roots in that area. The province of Europe I come from was one of the last to be Christened. It fought very hard to preserve its pagan ways. From what I can gather, it was the usual old fertility religion (maybe practiced in the form of Odinism).

But it wasn't very pretty and I don't miss it, even though some of it survived underground and was passed on from generation to generation. Like that crazy Varg Vikernes who described himself as an "Odinist" when he was released from prison.
 
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What about the gospels are not historically accurate?

Given that many historians say that the synoptic gospels are not actually contemporaneous to jesus, historical accuracy is out of the question. The gospel is a secondary source making huge claims after the fact; its retrospective reporting of the accounts of others. Another blow to historical accuracy.

I thought most Christians had accepted the bible as non literal? Surely we haven't experienced such a regression?

MM said:
IMO people wouldnt be willing to die for a known fabrication.

That's pretty much begging the question. Peoples willingness to die for their beliefs does not make what they believe in true. Its a tautological statement.

The "evidence" (I've gone through it) is limited to this: a man named Jesus existed at some point.

You may know better, and probably do, but I thought there was more primary source reflecting at lest the approximate birth and death of jesus....? Speaking of contemporary Roman sources...

BTW, welcome back from your self-imposed exile, glad to read your thoughts again :) <3 Was it six months....? ;)
 
In fact, early Christianity persisted for 3 centuries (but as a purer teaching of Christ or Essene/Gnostic) before it was decided to make it the main religion as there seemed to be no way to quench the movement and it was so contagious it gathered followers left and right. It was Constatine's revision of the bible that created what we have today - some gems to satisfy the human spirit's thirst for truth and a lot of social/political propaganda. It was hi-jacked.
 
Yahweh fundamentalists remind me of Jehovah's witnesses, for obvious reasons.



No, I'm not. Yahweh is connected to Christianity, but the Christian God is not Yahweh.

There is no "correct" transliteration (translation from Hebrew into English), so using all capitals doesn't achieve anything.

The theory of God has been a work-in-progress throughout history.

We didn't stop developing the idea, at Yahweh.

Adhering to a particular point in the evolution of religion, and denying everything that followed, is kind of like how the Amish treat technology.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

As for whether or not there is one God or many, we are certainly trending towards the belief - historically - that God is singular.

Most pantheistic religions differentiate between deities and the one true god, or source. In Hinudism you have Om, and then all the other gods that come from it. The singular "god" you're referring to is equivalent to the Om... it's Oneness, the Source, the Dao, etc.

The Christian God is a deity, not the Om. This is an important distinction. Islam's Alah is more closely related to the Om that the Christian God.
 
did you ever think mabe its all just made up bull shit? the biggest sign of that being if it were truely the word of god and its so important why didnt jesus just write the bible by himself, seeing as hes the son of god and all he should have some insight... and if its the word of god why are there a dozen differnt books writen by a dozen different people with a dozen different things going on in them... and the biggest one is it was writen many many many years after jesus died, and the story of jesus also paralles many other religious figures from older religions that came before him, and all christian hoidays just happen to fall on days when older pagan holidays were held... i just dont understand how anyone who does the slighest bit of research can think it is a literal story
 
This is more a question than a response.

Im sure you are aware of the prophecy, forshadowing, symbols, numerology, and allegory of bible.
(U seem to have studied Bible)
How do you explain the connections?
Conspiracy?
Just curious
This is my view - some of it I can back up with data, some of it is connections I have made from the data.

The bible is a book written for purpose. That purpose seems to be to give the Hyksos people a history. These were 'God's Chosen' who got booted out of Egypt by the polytheists in the South of Egypt, or Upper Egypt. The monotheists were rulers of the Necropolis which contained the Giza pyramids and (I think) those at Dashur and Saqqara.

It is very possible the 'mount' which Moses went 'into' was the Great Pyramid.
Exodus 24:18And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

So... there you are, the chosen of the one true god, Aten and ruling the land, and then suddenly you aren't. How does one 'maintain the faith' that your God is the one true one when you've just been kicked out of home?

Invent a new story, one in which you were enslaved and your God freed you. That's why the Hebrew religion and book looks so much like the Egyptian religion and book. Why the tabernacle has a floor plan like some of the greatest of the ancient temples - even the ark appears just as some of the relics from Egypt.

The bible as 'history' is deeply flawed. There is no record Egypt EVER had slaves of the amount required for the Moses story to be true. No record of any mass exodus of slaves, nor even that slaves built the pyramids and monuments etc. Despite what we are told there is no record of hundreds of thousands of people wandering the desert for 40 years - perhaps an allegory for having to wait a generation so the young ones would grow up with the new story of their history and the older ones who knew the truth would die out?

One possibility I saw for the Hyksos leaving Egypt was they crossed a reed sea - the hieroglyphs for reed and red are apparently very similar - which was the swamps and marshes of the Nile Delta - if you didn't know the true path through you could very easily lose an entire army of chariots in such a place. But I haven't looked seriously at that idea - once I realised the logic behind the Hyksos being the Akhenaten mob the details were of less importance.

The bible is an amalgam of ancient tales - Noah's story cannot possibly be true as per the bible story because there are no records of major floods anywhere near the time he was supposed to be around. Some posit the Hebrews were in the Black Sea valley and the Flood is the story of how the Mediterranean came flooding in through the Bosporus channel, but that also makes the bible wrong, to time AND place.

I think Noah is the Gilgamesh story, dating from thousands of years before, when cataclysms almost wiped us off the map. As the Ice Age ended there were several disasters involving huge masses of ice hitting the ocean - the story of a boat containing the remnants of man could be from any of those.

We think (as in the consensus of history thinks) the ice melted slowly and the sea rose inch by inch across thousands of years. But there is significant evidence that this is NOT what happened at all. Approximately 1/3 of the Antarctic ice slid off into the ocean somewhere around 14,000 years ago. The tsunami from that would have been kilometres high. The sea level would have risen by maybe 30 metres overnight and it would have rained heavily for months after as the freshwater melting changed the rainfall patterns. (the ice would head for the equator due to normal physics, melting and altering weather patterns - the fresh water would evaporate at a different rate and so on.

And here we get to the meat of what I think. I think what symbols and meaning is in the bible comes from the other civilisation, the one that existed before the disasters.

Just say you saw a disaster coming that would wipe out your civilisation. Nothing you can do to stop it. So you prepare as best you can but you want to preserve the knowledge to ease the path back to civilisation. I think THAT'S where all the encoded information and the links and symbols came from. I think they made a story that held the secrets that an adept could decipher and they also built at least some of those secrets into stone so they could not be lost. Then they made the story into a religion so it would pass unchanged through time. If god says 144,000 soldiers, that's a number that doesn't get changed by the religious.

Where it went wrong is, I think, nobody predicted THREE such disasters, one after another. I think too many Master-Apprentice links got broken and the secrets became true secrets because the chain of awareness was broken. Enough remained to kickstart some of the primitives into a higher level, but those societies all flowered abruptly then stagnated because they didn't have the background knowledge needed to innovate and build above what they'd been handed by 'the gods' who came from the sea.

But the religion passed along the stories and they got turned into dogma, and the stone records stood, muted by cataclysm, across thousands of years, waiting, like the sphinx with its riddle, for someone to crack the code and re-discover what the first civilisation wanted us to know.
 
did you ever think mabe its all just made up bull shit? the biggest sign of that being if it were truely the word of god and its so important why didnt jesus just write the bible by himself, seeing as hes the son of god and all he should have some insight... and if its the word of god why are there a dozen differnt books writen by a dozen different people with a dozen different things going on in them... and the biggest one is it was writen many many many years after jesus died, and the story of jesus also paralles many other religious figures from older religions that came before him, and all christian hoidays just happen to fall on days when older pagan holidays were held... i just dont understand how anyone who does the slighest bit of research can think it is a literal story

Jesus said "The Father and I are one." He describes the solution to the paradox of the Holy Trinity quite clearly, and it's meant to serve as an allegory for all of us. There were people like Jesus who existed before Jesus, and since then too. There are high level people in the world today. The fixation on Jesus and the literal interpretation of the Bible is quite unfortunate, but it's part and parcel with these degenerate times we live in.
 
Jesus said "The Father and I are one." He describes the solution to the paradox of the Holy Trinity quite clearly, and it's meant to serve as an allegory for all of us. There were people like Jesus who existed before Jesus, and since then too. There are high level people in the world today. The fixation on Jesus and the literal interpretation of the Bible is quite unfortunate, but it's part and parcel with these degenerate times we live in.

well man in the book they never say, hey this obviously is impossible and never actually happened but this is real and really did happen... It says this is the word of god, if its the word of god then why are the so many different books in the bible? why does only one book actually talk about jesus rising from the dead? why would their not be one book writen by jesus, aka god, aka us that tells one story? and why does this book happen to not mention what jesus did from age 12-33ish? Im not the one getting hung up the literal interpertation of this book, the book says this is what happened... it doesnt say take it with a grain of salt... and alot of religious people believe that every story in the bible literally happened, and that the world is only 6000 years old, and that man walked with dinosaours.... because thats what the book says... im not just making this shit up or the errie similiarties between jesus' life and the lives of religious figures from all over the world that lived before him... and as for it being such degenerate times, people dont change, the date does... there have always been wars, diseases, non-believers, crime, drug use, and every other "bad" thing that is in human nature.... its a cheap cop out to say ohhh we live in such terrible times because ppl cant see that this book, which says all this stuff literally happened, didnt happen and theres a moral to the story that the writer really ment to get across... in the end this book is nothing more then a rule of law for acient sand people, thats it... yes if everyone followed these rules the world would be a better place, but that doesnt make god real... and isnt it kinda wierd that basically what religion you follow has to do with nothing more then where you born? im not anti god, but i am anti ignorance and if god wants me to believe in him then he should send me a sign... and before you say ooo thats not how it works, you have to believe in him first... then why was that not the case with the bible when hes burning bushes and talking to adam and eve? and dont even get me started on how absurd a story that says the human population started with two people is, obviosully would have ended in incest pretty damn quik... but hey thats just my common sense outlook on religion, i cant just make myself believe in something that is so absurd and that no one can give me any real answers that arent some wishy washy bull shit.... theres no ooo mabe this happened in the bible, it is all this is literally what happened and literally what god says, if it said mabe then people would have questioned it and the rulers would have not been able to rule their people... sorry but you really really should look into the background of why it was written, not what was written....
 
Have you looked into liberation theology though? Its basic premise is that the purpose of forming a Christian religious community is to undermine (all human) hierarchical authority. . .

ebola

The writings of Paul the apostle is very.. well..

Romans 13:1-7 states, “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”

I forget the other passages but there are a fair few.
 
This is my view - some of it I can back up with data, some of it is connections I have made from the data.

The bible is a book written for purpose. That purpose seems to be to give the Hyksos people a history. These were 'God's Chosen' who got booted out of Egypt by the polytheists in the South of Egypt, or Upper Egypt. The monotheists were rulers of the Necropolis which contained the Giza pyramids and (I think) those at Dashur and Saqqara.

It is very possible the 'mount' which Moses went 'into' was the Great Pyramid.

So... there you are, the chosen of the one true god, Aten and ruling the land, and then suddenly you aren't. How does one 'maintain the faith' that your God is the one true one when you've just been kicked out of home?

Invent a new story, one in which you were enslaved and your God freed you. That's why the Hebrew religion and book looks so much like the Egyptian religion and book. Why the tabernacle has a floor plan like some of the greatest of the ancient temples - even the ark appears just as some of the relics from Egypt.

The bible as 'history' is deeply flawed. There is no record Egypt EVER had slaves of the amount required for the Moses story to be true. No record of any mass exodus of slaves, nor even that slaves built the pyramids and monuments etc. Despite what we are told there is no record of hundreds of thousands of people wandering the desert for 40 years - perhaps an allegory for having to wait a generation so the young ones would grow up with the new story of their history and the older ones who knew the truth would die out?

One possibility I saw for the Hyksos leaving Egypt was they crossed a reed sea - the hieroglyphs for reed and red are apparently very similar - which was the swamps and marshes of the Nile Delta - if you didn't know the true path through you could very easily lose an entire army of chariots in such a place. But I haven't looked seriously at that idea - once I realised the logic behind the Hyksos being the Akhenaten mob the details were of less importance.

The bible is an amalgam of ancient tales - Noah's story cannot possibly be true as per the bible story because there are no records of major floods anywhere near the time he was supposed to be around. Some posit the Hebrews were in the Black Sea valley and the Flood is the story of how the Mediterranean came flooding in through the Bosporus channel, but that also makes the bible wrong, to time AND place.

I think Noah is the Gilgamesh story, dating from thousands of years before, when cataclysms almost wiped us off the map. As the Ice Age ended there were several disasters involving huge masses of ice hitting the ocean - the story of a boat containing the remnants of man could be from any of those.

We think (as in the consensus of history thinks) the ice melted slowly and the sea rose inch by inch across thousands of years. But there is significant evidence that this is NOT what happened at all. Approximately 1/3 of the Antarctic ice slid off into the ocean somewhere around 14,000 years ago. The tsunami from that would have been kilometres high. The sea level would have risen by maybe 30 metres overnight and it would have rained heavily for months after as the freshwater melting changed the rainfall patterns. (the ice would head for the equator due to normal physics, melting and altering weather patterns - the fresh water would evaporate at a different rate and so on.

And here we get to the meat of what I think. I think what symbols and meaning is in the bible comes from the other civilisation, the one that existed before the disasters.

Just say you saw a disaster coming that would wipe out your civilisation. Nothing you can do to stop it. So you prepare as best you can but you want to preserve the knowledge to ease the path back to civilisation. I think THAT'S where all the encoded information and the links and symbols came from. I think they made a story that held the secrets that an adept could decipher and they also built at least some of those secrets into stone so they could not be lost. Then they made the story into a religion so it would pass unchanged through time. If god says 144,000 soldiers, that's a number that doesn't get changed by the religious.

Where it went wrong is, I think, nobody predicted THREE such disasters, one after another. I think too many Master-Apprentice links got broken and the secrets became true secrets because the chain of awareness was broken. Enough remained to kickstart some of the primitives into a higher level, but those societies all flowered abruptly then stagnated because they didn't have the background knowledge needed to innovate and build above what they'd been handed by 'the gods' who came from the sea.

But the religion passed along the stories and they got turned into dogma, and the stone records stood, muted by cataclysm, across thousands of years, waiting, like the sphinx with its riddle, for someone to crack the code and re-discover what the first civilisation wanted us to know.

In a round about way you are saying conspiracy.
Each new person and generation willingly and deliberately making stuff up.
They ended up with a very consistent piece of conspiracy no?
I mean from Genesis to Revelation the phrophecy, forshadowing, symbolism, numerology, and allegory sure do have an uncanny symmetry.
( reason I asked you is cause I assume you are aware of the level of above)
I submit there is a conspiracy but not by the authors of the bible.
By the most high.
Do you find it odd you find Jesus and what ultimately happened throughout the old testament?
It certainly wasnt a conspiracy by Jews cause they want to stay as far away from Jesus as possible.
 
There is no evidence that a man named Jesus existed in the same area/time as the story of Christ.
The "evidence" (I've gone through it) is limited to this: a man named Jesus existed at some point.

None (zero point zero percent) of the historical accounts were written during the time of Christ.
None (zero point zero percent) of the gospels were written during the time of Christ.

What? No serious historian disputes John was the author of his Gospel.
Since he lived and knew Jesus personally I believe he was of his time period.
If you want to say he made his account up that's your prorogative.

Moses wasn't a real person either, I don't think. Although, I haven't looked into it too much.
He certainly didn't write the books of Moses. Yet people are willing to die, believing that he did.
Moses was the author


The fact that you refuse to believe - even when there is no supporting evidence to the contrary - that Jesus didn't exist, is why it's possible.
You are a living example of what you're trying to logically disprove.
(Do not underestimate the power of delusion.)

No historians or people of the time that spoke of Jesus ever denied his existence.
They denied his divinity.
There were writers who dispised Christians and mocked them for believing in Jesus's divinity but never suggested he never lived.
wouldnt it have been lot easier to argue he never existed? How come they didnt?
I'll tell you why, because people knew he existed back then.



I hope you like big rivers cause your floating down the river of denial.
The bible is painstaking at times in recording details.
You can always refuse to believe something from that far in the past. You could deny Plato was an actual human being if you chose to.
Jesus remains alive and well today as the most influential man in history despite the many efforts of those that would like to write him out of history.

Whether you chose to believe he is who he said he was is up to you.
But lets cut the nonsense out he didnt exist.
 
well man in the book they never say, hey this obviously is impossible and never actually happened but this is real and really did happen... It says this is the word of god, if its the word of god then why are the so many different books in the bible? why does only one book actually talk about jesus rising from the dead? why would their not be one book writen by jesus, aka god, aka us that tells one story? and why does this book happen to not mention what jesus did from age 12-33ish? Im not the one getting hung up the literal interpertation of this book, the book says this is what happened... it doesnt say take it with a grain of salt... and alot of religious people believe that every story in the bible literally happened, and that the world is only 6000 years old, and that man walked with dinosaours.... because thats what the book says... im not just making this shit up or the errie similiarties between jesus' life and the lives of religious figures from all over the world that lived before him... and as for it being such degenerate times, people dont change, the date does... there have always been wars, diseases, non-believers, crime, drug use, and every other "bad" thing that is in human nature.... its a cheap cop out to say ohhh we live in such terrible times because ppl cant see that this book, which says all this stuff literally happened, didnt happen and theres a moral to the story that the writer really ment to get across... in the end this book is nothing more then a rule of law for acient sand people, thats it... yes if everyone followed these rules the world would be a better place, but that doesnt make god real... and isnt it kinda wierd that basically what religion you follow has to do with nothing more then where you born? im not anti god, but i am anti ignorance and if god wants me to believe in him then he should send me a sign... and before you say ooo thats not how it works, you have to believe in him first... then why was that not the case with the bible when hes burning bushes and talking to adam and eve? and dont even get me started on how absurd a story that says the human population started with two people is, obviosully would have ended in incest pretty damn quik... but hey thats just my common sense outlook on religion, i cant just make myself believe in something that is so absurd and that no one can give me any real answers that arent some wishy washy bull shit.... theres no ooo mabe this happened in the bible, it is all this is literally what happened and literally what god says, if it said mabe then people would have questioned it and the rulers would have not been able to rule their people... sorry but you really really should look into the background of why it was written, not what was written....

Sounds like you're preplanning your case for judgement day. Maybe it will be justified.
Somethings in bible are literal and some are figurative. Context is key.
But even if when your wrong the moral is the same.

Ps God has sent you a sign
Its up to you to read it.
If you need help ask God for help and you will get it
if you are willing to recieve it
 
If there is a conspiracy, the conspiracy came in with the original authors - maybe it took 40 years to put the story together? The people since do not have to be involved with any conspiracy - they just pass it along.

People talk about a bible code and yet most don't realise the language itself was made up. What is spoken in Israel today is not Hebrew but a made up language mainly coming from the Germanic Jews - there are more Israelites by blood in Palestine than there are in Israel - what we know as the Israelis are a people from (I think) the Caucasus Mountains, mostly Ashkenazim, who seemed to score a pretty good time with European women - at least the matrilineal genetics say so.

The Sephardic Jews trace out to around Spain and the Askebnazi came from the Germanic area, many of them refugees after the Holocaust. As such they have less right to Israel than the Palestinian people, among whom are bloodlines that DO date back to the original tribes.

While the British Israel theory gets used and abused for racist purposes, there is truth there. The lost 10 tribes DO appear to have spread across Europe. Certainly the English Royalty (& Scots and Irish before them) all believe it to be true - there's a rcok that has to be under the throne when a monarch is crowned and it is known by them to be the stone Jacob rested his head on when God promised his lineage would be on the throne forever.

It is not necessarily anything remarkable that there is a heralding of a messiah in the OT - and the Jesus story might easily have been carefully crafted to match the details of the prognostications of earlier times. Constantine WANTED the Christ to be more than a man - it fit well with the desire to bring his empire under control and brought the pwoer og God behind the throne.

As pointed out by others, there are many messiahs with a remarkably similar story to that of the Christ, same virgin birth, same death (usually on a cross) same rise again after 3 days and so on. When one applies astronomy (or astrology as it was originally) to the story one begins to see what is really being said.

So if someone way back when encoded such detail into a story, it would explain why so many different cultures have the same legend AND why the Hyksos 'architects' of the people would add the references to the story in and why the Jesus story gets told as it is in the NT. It's an archetypal myth, one that passes along the original data to wait for someone to learn enough to decipher it.

In it's origin, Religion (capital R is the established or organised while small r is the religion in more general terms) is a control mechanism, but religion seems to be more a conspiracy of hope, a story crafted to pass down knowledge, hidden in an origin myth and stories of heroic deeds and more. The biblical version of the story has added in the creation of a people, the grafting of a tribal origin myth to give them something to believe in and create a nation.

Someone was very smart - all groups requiring membership tend to operate the same way - get people to commit and isolate themselves as a member of the group. Often they also require a significant act to seal the deal - try to leave the group and you have to confront what you did to join. Making sex into a sin is just a way to make everyone guilty and there's not a group on the planet that wields the Guilt Trip more effectively than the Judaics. :D
 
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