Staff Feedback If the admins aren't listening who do you talk to?

[Mailmonkey]

just got banned from tc for asking who some one was in a round about way haha

i didn't ban you from TC

there's a BL supermod in there now.

 

[knock]

How could you let that happen, MM? Not that I'm ever in there, but you seemed to be on top of the situation.

 

[missing old pills]

They're watching you all...

 

[Mailmonkey]

from the skies?

 

[missing old pills]

I warned you all and I was mocked

Starting to understand yet?

 

[Treacle]

TC hurt my brain, after so long. Especially as I was being two other people, as well as me...

I won't be in there, unless I declare it on here (before anyone tries doing the same back).

 

[missing old pills]

Lol how do Kate love, long time no laugh

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

I thought you meant the real sky mop.

Ive been watching the wrong sky dammit.

 

[Tommyboy]

Everyone has said what they want to say about Sam and others by now so what's the point in dragging in out?
Can't we start afresh and if anyone has future problems with the mods then they can go through the channels to try and sort it out.
Lets begin at day one no point in keep going over the same ground as has already been stated its sucking the life out of a place where we can all normally get along and enjoy a bit of banter.

That's how I feel about it. Some people seem to want to keep the drama going though, which was seen by them saying that Sam is going to be on his best behaviour now as if that's a bad thing.

 

[missing old pills]

I thought you meant the real sky mop.

Ive been watching the wrong sky dammit.

I'm always cryptic honey.

Kate where did your post go? Conspiracy!!!!!

 

[koneko]

^
I posted it in wrong place MOP, then deleted it - I'm trying to keep on topic in here! and hello btw

 

[missing old pills]

I'm glad you're talking or we would be off thread

 

[TheSpade]

Btw Spade I need to ask you questions about Vietnam, any chance you bumping your travel thread please?

No such thread exists anymore.

 

[swedger77]

it just the weather. everyones fucked off. EADD is no different.

 

[Albion]

I feel, along with others on the team, that this thread truly deserves to go in the support forum. Tentatively moving it over. Feel free to move this back, Tommyboy et al, if/when you see fit to do so.

EADD -> SF

 

[Marmalade]

eh, now it's been moved, let's ignore the 'I heart NT' comments and keep things succinct, kthnx

 

[knock]

lol

 

[alasdairm]

the dust seems to have settled on this issue a little but there are a couple of issues outstanding so i'll address those.

I'm speaking to an admin right now about the current EADD issues but they clearly aren't interested in listening, just keep being told that people should stop harassing Sam over this racism row. They aren't willing to listen to anyone's concerns it seems and keep going back to this racist thing, which it's not even really about.

your suggestion that nobody is listening to you is absurd. in the past 3 days you and i had a pm exchange in which you received 10 separate replies addressing your questions and the issues you raise. it's quite possible to listen to somebody, consider their comments, respond and then decide to take a specific course of action which is different from the one requested. to characterise that as "not listening" is, frankly, ridiculous.

I've been told even if you are a racist you're allowed to be a mod on here anyway as it doesn't break the BUA.

note that i am talking in general terms on this issue. this is not the spanish inquisition and we don't persecute people on bluelight for their beliefs. the section of the blua which addresses this area of discussion is point 4 of the 'prohibited use' section which reads: "Specifically, you may not: 4. post or upload any content that victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or any other reason;"

there is nothing there that says you can't hold a racist or homophobic (or whatever) belief. nor should there be. if, however, you choose to make such a belief manifest in a post which violates that rule, then action is taken. your apparent desire to persecute thoughtcrime on bluelight is noted but there are no plans to implement such a policy at this time.

Who do I talk to if an admin isn't listening or willing to act?

as i told you in my private message, if you'd like to complain about me (or any admin), you can do that by contacting the owners of bluelight: Sebastians_ghost; TheLoveBandit

No one seems to realise that most of us aren't wanting Sam out because he may or may not be racist but for a multitude of other reasons.

we received a number of complaints about samhaingrim's moderating and asked, perfectly reasonably, for the complainers to provide us with specific examples of poor judgement or inappropriate action on his part. none would or could. one person told us "I'll have a think to see if I can come up with specfic examples". they were unable to provide examples. another said "I don't have any written evidence, just things that I have been told by various people". yet another "i've not got any specific examples to hand and i'm far too stoned/hot to bother wading through his posts".

when people are unable or unwilling to point to specific examples of wrongdoing, it's hard to see this as a pattern of poor moderating and not simply as a vendetta by a bunch of vocal troublemakers who simply don't like the staff member in question. when we don't summarily fire a moderator on receipt of a complaint it's not because we're not listening or we somehow value inaction. there are numerous cases in the past where moderators have been removed from staff for conduct unbecoming and, in each case, there was evidence and a decision was made.

Their decision is final!!!!!

that is demonstrably not the case.

That's the reply I had. I'll be banned for posting it. I made it clear in my PM the issue was NOT about Sam being racist and I get that reply telling me to point out his racist posts.

i admit the issue wasn't entirely clear but, in one pm, my exact words to you were: "i saw some complaints last week and people were asked to cite specific examples of wrongdoing on the part of samhaingrim. none could (or would). not one person could or would provide one link to one post showing where he had acted incorrectly." that makes no reference to racism specifically and, rather, it discusses the quality of moderation more generally. furthermore, you even admitted that the problem might be because the people complaining didn't communicate clearly enough. i'm happy to be criticised when i do something wrong but it seems a little unfair to blame me when the problem is with someone else...

Kinda tricky now since he's clearly going to be on best behaviour and not step out of line.

so you're annoyed even when he behaves appropriately? damned if he does and damned if he doesn't? it certainly seems so.

It's been made clear it's not going to happen. May as well forget all about it.

again you are (mis)characterizing a complex discussion in one media-friendly soundbite to score a cheap shot and play the martyr.

again, my exact words to you were: "if people can't or won't respect the process and then when they do provide vague, unsubstantiated complaints, there's absolutely nothing we can do" and "firing a staff member because a vocal group of forum participants don't like him and are behaving like babies as a result isn't, to me, for the good of any forum.". i absolutely stand by those words.

bluelight is staffed entirely by volunteers. you're never going to get the response or response time which you might expect from a corporation of other entity to which you give money. however, for the most part, we're all here for the same reason. the current admin team has a combined 35 years and ~120,000 posts of bluelight experience. none of us would have contributed the time and effort we have if we didn't think it was important.

alasdair